Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers

[Natey]

I think he would net a '23 1st+. You have to understand a team that grabs him will probably be a contender so the pick will be a low 1st.

And you have to understand that this is one of the deepest 1st round drafts in the history of the NHL. Teams picking at the end of the 1st round are going to be getting players that would go Top-10 any other year.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

No way does MTL retain on him if we trade him this season. We won't carry that retention for a 2nd year unless the return is huge ie 1st + A level prospect.

Dream on

 

[ManofSteel55]

Throw in a pick but at the moment Edmundson is a proven top 4 dman with a decent cap hit Broberg is a decent prospect but not to the point Habs have to add big time

You would need Savard retention at minimum (75% retention) with Montreal footing the bill to the retention from the third party. I don't know what else Montreal would need to add but there would need to be more.

 

[jfhabs]

And you have to understand that this is one of the deepest 1st round drafts in the history of the NHL. Teams picking at the end of the 1st round are going to be getting players that would go Top-10 any other year.

The top 10 maybe top 15 looks very very good but I'm not sure it's as deep as you might think after that. I don't really see guys like Jiricek or Savoie after 15 and last year wasn't considered a very good draft...

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Edmundson could be a decent plan b or c for the Oilers but they should definitely aim higher. With such a strong draft as the season wears on lots of teams will be selling off to tank and or just collect more 1st rounders, Oilers would be wise to keep their powder dry and let the market develop a bit more.

I don’t think Habs would consider moving him until at least the new year, probably closer to the deadline as teams are going to want to make sure he can stay healthy before trading anything decent for Him. He’s staring down 30, missed most of last season with injury and is coming off a back injury which can often times haunt guys.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Lol okay

There are better defensemen for the to be targeting (and frankly need). Like Gavrikov, Soucy, or even Chychrun.

Good luck getting Soucy out of Seattle. They have no reason to trade him considering they seem to be going for the playoffs too.

Gavrikov is not better than Edmundson.

Chychrun isn't a comparable. Completely different D from Eddie. Plus, Chychrun is never healthy for long - injury prone tag now.

 

[Tanknation]

The ++ in the deal carries literally no value. A late round pick and a C- prospect hold no value.

Edmundson will not get a 1st. Maybe he gets the Manson return. I bet he gets nothing though, because I doubt he gets traded this year, especially if Montreal thinks they are getting a 1st

Yes he easily will fetch a 1st at deadline. Otherwise you keep him.

 

[Barnaby]

His contract is not an issue at 3.5M. Chiarot got 4.75M and he's the same calibre as Ed.

To some teams his value might be less with the extra year. Teams like TB or NYR couldn’t afford him at his contract next year. Of course, I’m sure there’s a team out there who can make it work. Maybe MTL retains a bit to get that 1st.

 

[viceroy]

Dream on

Coolsies. I'm good with keeping him 'til TDL '24.

 

[McJedi]

2023 1st, top 10 protected.

Nonsense. Until he’s a rental, deals with term on low level player like this have no value. next trade deadline…. He may return something like a protected first from a contender.

 

[McDNicks17]

Good luck getting Soucy out of Seattle. They have no reason to trade him considering they seem to be going for the playoffs too.

Gavrikov is not better than Edmundson.

Chychrun isn't a comparable. Completely different D from Eddie. Plus, Chychrun is never healthy for long - injury prone tag now.

Edmundson has been statistically one of the worst defensemen in the entire league the past two seasons. He's getting destroyed again this year.

Gavrikov is absolutely a better player.

 

[RC51]

Edmundson has been statistically one of the worst defensemen in the entire league the past two seasons. He's getting destroyed again this year.

Gavrikov is absolutely a better player.

what? destroyed? has only played 5 games, only -1 all last year AND PLUS 28 the year before.
so WHAT worst dman in the league. It sounds more like your statistically the worst poster in all of HFB

 

[McDNicks17]

what? destroyed? has only played 5 games, only -1 all last year AND PLUS 28 the year before.
so WHAT worst dman in the league. It sounds more like your statistically the worst poster in all of HFB

33% GF, 38% xGF.

I'm sure teams are lining up for a defensive defenseman who can't play defense.

 

[PocketNines]

The Blues overcame Edmundson to win a Cup. He tried to give Boston Game 7 coming out of healthy scratches in Games 5 and 6. Binnington said no.

In crucible pressure, this is a player you have to worry about.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

33% GF, 38% xGF.

I'm sure teams are lining up for a defensive defenseman who can't play defense.

They did for Chiarot.

Edmundson was on a historically bad team last year, and only played the last quarter. He's played 5 games this year.

Eddie has playoff experience, which includes a Final appearance & a Cup.

This is the Chiarot argument all over again, and Montreal got a 1st for him & a prospect.

 

[McDNicks17]

They did for Chiarot.

Edmundson was on a historically bad team last year, and only played the last quarter. He's played 5 games this year.

Eddie has playoff experience, which includes a Final appearance & a Cup.

This is the Chiarot argument all over again, and Montreal got a 1st for him & a prospect.

Chiarot had better results in more minutes, against vastly higher competition while also not being a bandaid.

They aren't even remotely comparable.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Chiarot had better results in more minutes, against vastly higher competition while also not being a bandaid.

They aren't even remotely comparable.

You realize Edmundson is top 4D right? He was Petry's partner while they were in Montreal together. He's currently playing with our rookie D Xhekaj.

Weird, because all we heard last year was how crap Chiarot was.

For Edmonton, he'd be the perfect partner for either Barrie or Bouchard.

Kulak worked out ok for you guys. Well, Eddie is a much better D than Kulak. D was not our problem, goaltending (Price hurt a lot), and really weak forward group were.

Hard to believe, but we're pretty close to having none of our top 6 D left with the team that made the Finals run, 5 are already gone: Weber (Vegas LTIR), Chiarot (TRD/UFA), Petry (TRD Pens), Romanov (TRD NYI), Kulak (TRD Edm). I think teams that got the previous 4 (Weber obviously excluded) are pretty happy with what they got.

Same will be for Edmundson.

 

[McDNicks17]

You realize Edmundson is top 4D right? He was Petry's partner while they were in Montreal together. He's currently playing with our rookie D Xhekaj.

Weird, because all we heard last year was how crap Chiarot was.

For Edmonton, he'd be the perfect partner for either Barrie or Bouchard.

Kulak worked out ok for you guys. Well, Eddie is a much better D than Kulak. D was not our problem, goaltending (Price hurt a lot), and really weak forward group were.

Hard to believe, but we're pretty close to having none of our top 6 D left with the team that made the Finals run, 5 are already gone: Weber (Vegas LTIR), Chiarot (TRD/UFA), Petry (TRD Pens), Romanov (TRD NYI), Kulak (TRD Edm). I think teams that got the previous 4 (Weber obviously excluded) are pretty happy with what they got.

Same will be for Edmundson.

A top4 D on Montreal isn't saying much right now haha.

He and Xhekaj have by far the worst defensive numbers on the Habs while getting the highest offensive zone push.

 

[RipsADrive]

People clowning the Kulak deal last year but I'd hold it up as the trade that proves you don't trade your 1st for an average defenceman.

Kulak was great for us last year and came much cheaper than Chiarot did, plus we were able to resign him.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Good luck getting Soucy out of Seattle. They have no reason to trade him considering they seem to be going for the playoffs too.

Gavrikov is not better than Edmundson.

Chychrun isn't a comparable. Completely different D from Eddie. Plus, Chychrun is never healthy for long - injury prone tag now.

Maybe they are comparable after all...

 

[Steve Shutt]

I think Edmundson's M-NTC might hurt his value a bit. Also thinking that 2nd year could be a no-go for teams. I'm guessing he's worth a mid 2nd but I was also really surprised by Kulak and Chiarot's value at the Trade Deadline last year. HUGO might choose to just hold on to him for 1 more season so he can stabilize our young D and maximize his trade value next season. But there will definitely be teams calling looking for a 6'5 224lb crease clearing dman to help their playoff drive. I doubt we retain as teams are limited to retaining on up to 3 contracts which I'm guessing right now will be Dadanov, Drouin, and Monahan who would all come off the books at the end of the season.

 

[Andrewcoursol]

For sure, fanbases / HF posters will hate the return. But dmen like Ed will be in demand assuming he has an injury free season (up to TDL).

Ed at 3.5M AAV with an additional year on his contract is great value for a #4 defensive dman who's game is built for the playoffs and brings leadership and cup experience.

if traded this season,habs should get 2 firsts for eddy because the acquiring team will have him for 2 playoff runs at a team friendly salary, also the acquiring team can trade eddy next year for a first, so 1 first rounder right now is underselling. proof is in the results, Chiarot got a first ,plus last year on expiring contract.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You realize Edmundson is top 4D right? He was Petry's partner while they were in Montreal together. He's currently playing with our rookie D Xhekaj.

Weird, because all we heard last year was how crap Chiarot was.

For Edmonton, he'd be the perfect partner for either Barrie or Bouchard.

Kulak worked out ok for you guys. Well, Eddie is a much better D than Kulak. D was not our problem, goaltending (Price hurt a lot), and really weak forward group were.

Hard to believe, but we're pretty close to having none of our top 6 D left with the team that made the Finals run, 5 are already gone: Weber (Vegas LTIR), Chiarot (TRD/UFA), Petry (TRD Pens), Romanov (TRD NYI), Kulak (TRD Edm). I think teams that got the previous 4 (Weber obviously excluded) are pretty happy with what they got.

Same will be for Edmundson.

Historically, he's been a #4 when playing with a good #3. The Chairot deal is another bad one that should show GM's why they shouldn't dump 1sts for average middle pair defensemen.

I think most agree that he would be a good partner for Barrie or Bouchard. That's not the issue here. The issue is some trying to pass him off as a high end 2nd pair guy when historically he hasn't quite been to that level.

I like Edmundson. But I think given what we are working with currently, if our 1st is going to be in the conversation, we need to be aiming higher. We need a guy who can anchor a 2nd pair with a high end offensive defenseman with defensive lapses (Bouchard). Playing alongside Petry isn't the same.

To be fair, I haven't seen Xhekaj play, so if Edmundson is having to cover for him and is doing so, then he might be an option. But likely still not for our 1st.

if traded this season,habs should get 2 firsts for eddy because the acquiring team will have him for 2 playoff runs at a team friendly salary, also the acquiring team can trade eddy next year for a first, so 1 first rounder right now is underselling. proof is in the results, Chiarot got a first ,plus last year on expiring contract.

Chairot getting a 1st (with max retention) doesn't mean that Edmundson will get the same. I don't see why Chairot getting a 1st has anything to do with Edmundson. You guys were trying to sell Chairot as a solid #2 and that was the basis for him getting a 1st. Edmundson isn't a #2. He's a capable 2nd pair guy when he's been played with a solid #3. The value of these two players isn't the same.

 

[Andrewcoursol]

I mean look at his games played over the past 2-3 years...Montreal would want value for him being signed beyond this year on a good number. With his injury history can you commit to givng up a 1st or more for him.

If he stays in the lineup until the deadline and dominates, different story maybe

Leks got Barron, (who is a recent 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick
chiarot got a 1st, plus ..
Hague got 2 firsts for Chicago out of Tampa
eddy worth 2 firsts because he is on a team friendly deal for next season as well, meaning 2 playoff runs for a contending team, any team offering only a late first, I hope Hugo would hang up the phone and block the caller.
Besides any team paying only a first for eddy this year can get that pick back next year at the trade deadline ,Besides if the habs are contending for the playoffs this year, than keep eddy until next season, evaluate accordingly.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Historically, he's been a #4 when playing with a good #3. The Chairot deal is another bad one that should show GM's why they shouldn't dump 1sts for average middle pair defensemen.

I think most agree that he would be a good partner for Barrie or Bouchard. That's not the issue here. The issue is some trying to pass him off as a high end 2nd pair guy when historically he hasn't quite been to that level.

I like Edmundson. But I think given what we are working with currently, if our 1st is going to be in the conversation, we need to be aiming higher. We need a guy who can anchor a 2nd pair with a high end offensive defenseman with defensive lapses (Bouchard). Playing alongside Petry isn't the same.

To be fair, I haven't seen Xhekaj play, so if Edmundson is having to cover for him and is doing so, then he might be an option. But likely still not for our 1st.


Chairot getting a 1st (with max retention) doesn't mean that Edmundson will get the same. I don't see why Chairot getting a 1st has anything to do with Edmundson. You guys were trying to sell Chairot as a solid #2 and that was the basis for him getting a 1st. Edmundson isn't a #2. He's a capable 2nd pair guy when he's been played with a solid #3. The value of these two players isn't the same.

It should be noted that Edmundson isn't UFA. He has a year left on his contract, so that adds value for a lot of teams, especially considering it's at $3.5m.

I also expect if it's 2023 1st, it comes with a lot of conditions: must play 50% of teams games, top 16 protected, etc. etc. Else, it's likely 2024 1st.

It's a deep draft 1st round.

I've watched Edmonton, and the D is way too soft. You definitely need someone like him.

Leks got Barron, (who is a recent 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick
chiarot got a 1st, plus ..
Hague got 2 firsts for Chicago out of Tampa
eddy worth 2 firsts because he is on a team friendly deal for next season as well, meaning 2 playoff runs for a contending team, any team offering only a late first, I hope Hugo would hang up the phone and block the caller.
Besides any team paying only a first for eddy this year can get that pick back next year at the trade deadline ,Besides if the habs are contending for the playoffs this year, than keep eddy until next season, evaluate accordingly.

Yeah, no. Edmundson isn't worth 2 firsts.