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Player Discussion Joel Armia turnaround year?

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azcanuck said:
Playing with Domi , who's been struggling most of the year. Often it's Armia who carries the play. Luck? Highly subjective opinion and very baseless.

His goals are the result of a power move out of the corner or stealing a puck from a defender or positioning himself in the slot for his best shot on the team release. These are all him. He seems to have found himself. Can he keep it up or be consistent? Well that's always the mark of a better player for sure.
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It is luck, even if he is the one that creates it. A good rebound there, a good turnover here, lucky positioning on one goal, deflection on another, etc. It doesn't mean he's not the reason why the goals are scored, it just means he's scoring goals in an unsustainable way.
 
Mrb1p said:
It is luck, even if he is the one that creates it. A good rebound there, a good turnover here, lucky positioning on one goal, deflection on another, etc. It doesn't mean he's not the reason why the goals are scored, it just means he's scoring goals in an unsustainable way.
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You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good.

Tell me why he's not "sustainable". It makes zero sense.

I could see if pucks were bouncing in off his leg. But instead he's using his big frame and great shot to create and score. What's so "unsustainable" about that? And while your at it explain a sustainable fashion to score?
 
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azcanuck said:
You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good.

Tell me why he's not "sustainable". It makes zero sense.

I could see if pucks were bouncing in off his leg. But instead he's using his big frame and great shot to create and score. What's so "unsustainable" about that? And while your at it explain a sustainable fashion to score?
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When goals are going in at a never seen before rate, no matter what they are, theyre usually unsustainable. Theres a huge difference between last year Armia and this year Armia. Honestly Id love for him to turn into a 25-25 kind of guy, but its unlikely at this age.
 
azcanuck said:
You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good.

Tell me why he's not "sustainable". It makes zero sense.

I could see if pucks were bouncing in off his leg. But instead he's using his big frame and great shot to create and score. What's so "unsustainable" about that? And while your at it explain a sustainable fashion to score?
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I think can be argued that his bad luck was unsustainable, and coaching helped influence his decision making it so he would shoot more.

He is the example of a player having all the tools and a toolbox, just not an elite one. He needed time to develop and an opportunity to be deployed well as another poster said.

I absolutely loved his goal against the Pens when he just owned Letang. Armia is becoming my fave hab.
 
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Habssince89 said:
I think can be argued that his bad luck was unsustainable, and coaching helped influence his decision making so he would shoot more.

He is the example of a player having all the tools and a toolbox, just not an elite one. He needed time to develop and an opportunity to be deployed well as another poster said.

I absolutely loved his goal against the Pens when he just owned Letang. Armia is becoming my fave hab.
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This team need a couple more guys like Armia. Size, and skills.
 
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Habssince89 said:
I think can be argued that his bad luck was unsustainable, and coaching helped influence his decision making so he would shoot more.

He is the example of a player having all the tools and a toolbox, just not an elite one. He needed time to develop and an opportunity to be deployed well as another poster said.

I absolutely loved his goal against the Pens when he just owned Letang. Armia is becoming my fave hab.
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Good point on flipping the whole "luck" B.S. thing.

I look at a guy like Armia and see someone who isnt the strongest personality, not an alpha type. It's taken him a while to find his footing in this league.
The problem with fans is as soon as a young kid hits a bad stretch it's over for him.
Development is not a linear proposition.
look at Brad Marchand. 5th year in the league 64 points.
guy exploded in year 6.
You just never know.
 
Mrb1p said:
It is luck, even if he is the one that creates it. A good rebound there, a good turnover here, lucky positioning on one goal, deflection on another, etc. It doesn't mean he's not the reason why the goals are scored, it just means he's scoring goals in an unsustainable way.
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And yet, most of his goals are completely and utterly different from what you’re describing
 
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azcanuck said:
You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good.

Tell me why he's not "sustainable". It makes zero sense.

I could see if pucks were bouncing in off his leg. But instead he's using his big frame and great shot to create and score. What's so "unsustainable" about that? And while your at it explain a sustainable fashion to score?
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Mrb1p said:
It is luck, even if he is the one that creates it. A good rebound there, a good turnover here, lucky positioning on one goal, deflection on another, etc. It doesn't mean he's not the reason why the goals are scored, it just means he's scoring goals in an unsustainable way.
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It's hard to predict exactly. Last year, seven players had unsustainable seasons:
Tatar
Domi
Gallagher
Petry
Armia
Danault
Shaw

Out of the seven players, FOUR are doing better this year, one is doing the same, one has slipped a notch from 1C to 2C and one was traded and is hurt again.

On the other hand, Ryan Poehling has gone from the highest scoring pace in the history of the NHL to the lowest, so maybe there is something to that unsustainable thing after all.
 
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Subject: Armia, Danault

Student: Mrb1p

Final Grade: D

Comments: The student needs to spend more time watching hockey instead of arguing with the social misfits.

Armia and Danault are 1st round talents finally finding their stride and that should be obvious to even the most casual hockey fan.
 
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Runner77 said:
No medical update.

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This should be suspendable, according to the rules the NHL put out a couple of years ago for injuries to hands due to stick fouls.

But it's the Habs, so not only will this be tolerated, but the NHL will issue a directive that all players can slewfoot and body slam any of our players at any time.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
This should be suspendable, according to the rules the NHL put out a couple of years ago for injuries to hands due to stick fouls.

But it's the Habs, so not only will this be tolerated, but the NHL will issue a directive that all players can slewfoot and body slam any of our players at any time.
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Don't think it has anything to do with the Habs but more the fact that Parros and his team are very inconsistent.
 
BaseballCoach said:
This should be suspendable, according to the rules the NHL put out a couple of years ago for injuries to hands due to stick fouls.

But it's the Habs, so not only will this be tolerated, but the NHL will issue a directive that all players can slewfoot and body slam any of our players at any time.
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It absolutely should not be suspension worthy. That play happens a hundred times a game. It was just bad luck
 
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Why can't we have nice things? When it seems like he was about to bring his game to the next level, he gets injured.
 
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Goal Caufield said:
It absolutely should not be suspension worthy. That play happens a hundred times a game. It was just bad luck
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The league stated a couple of years ago when they suspended a player who inflicted bad luck on another that there will be consequences for slashes.

In this case, there was no hockey reason for the play, Nate was not trying to strip the puck, just giving someone a gratuitous shot. The very definition of a suspendable act, in fact.

"Player Safety" - ROTFLMFAO
 
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Why can't we have nice things? When it seems like he was about to bring his game to the next level, he gets injured.
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Maybe it brings his price rage down a bit, but ya definitely sucks. Injuries have decimated us at wing. Hopefully Drouin is back soon.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
The league stated a couple of years ago when they suspended a player who inflicted bad luck on another that there will be consequences for slashes.

In this case, there was no hockey reason for the play, Nate was not trying to strip the puck, just giving someone a gratuitous shot. The very definition of a suspendable act, in fact.

"Player Safety" - ROTFLMFAO
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Come on man, this isn't patty cake they're playing.
 
Goal Caufield said:
Come on man, this isn't patty cake they're playing.
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Gratuitous shots that result in an injury were going to be suspendable, according to the Player Safety Department of a league that suspends checks that are mis-timed by 0.25 seconds but does not punish players who punch others in the head.
 
As per RDS

L'attaquant Jesperi Kotkaniemi, du Canadien de Montréal, effectuera un retour au jeu samedi face au Lightning de Tampa Bay, tandis que Joel Armia sera absent pour plusieurs semaines.

Armia out for a few weeks.
:help:
 
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