Player Discussion Joel Armia turnaround year?

[Mrb1p]

wow I can't believe you're dislike of Armia is still holding up. Please, dude. You're so much better than this lol. I know your wild card takes are pretty much your Samson hair but sweet fancy Moses, Armia was a high end talent who was effective even before the boost in production. Now he's starting to put up points and taking steps to reaching his ceiling and you're gonna go in on him now? lol.

I think it went over your head

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I think it went over your head

So your post WASN'T sarcastic? Are you just TOO cerebral?

 

[ottawa]

The jets were stacked at forwards. Sometimes, when you dig into these kinds of teams, you can find someone that was perhaps underutilized or capable of a bigger role, like armia.

A lot of Jets fans were voicing their displeasure in losing him, we understand why now. Teemu warned us but I still imagine none of us were prepared for this.

 

[Frozenice]

I thought you guys wanted him to be a 4th line grinder-type to make room for Caufield. Caufield is going to have a tough time making the team out of training camp next year, I got laughed at for posting that a while back, something has to give.

 

[Mrb1p]

So your post WASN'T sarcastic? Are you just TOO cerebral?

Oh, it was sarcastic alright.

 

[26Mats]

I thought you guys wanted him to be a 4th line grinder-type to make room for Caufield. Caufield is going to have a tough time making the team out of training camp next year, I got laughed at for posting that a while back, something has to give.

Even if Armia and Gallagher are ahead of Caufield ar RW next camp, who is ahead of him for the 3rd and 4th RW spots?

Note, Julien and MB have been perfectly willong to start Suzuki and Poehling off on the 4th line.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I thought you guys wanted him to be a 4th line grinder-type to make room for Caufield. Caufield is going to have a tough time making the team out of training camp next year, I got laughed at for posting that a while back, something has to give.

Next season, Suzuki will probably be a center full time, so that opens up a RW spot for Caufield even with Armia in the top 9

Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Domi - Kotkaniemi - Caufield
Drouin - Suzuki - Armia
Byron - Poehling - Lehkonen

He only needs to be better than Weal to be in the lineup, and he only needs to be better than Byron and Lehkonen to be in the top 9. That shouldn't be hard

 

[Frozenice]

Next season, Suzuki will probably be a center full time, so that opens up a RW spot for Caufield even with Armia in the top 9

Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Domi - Kotkaniemi - Caufield
Drouin - Suzuki - Armia
Byron - Poehling - Lehkonen

He only needs to be better than Weal to be in the lineup, and he only needs to be better than Byron and Lehkonen to be in the top 9. That shouldn't be hard

Lehkonen will be Top 9 next year, almost as a lock. I agree with Caufield replacing Weal but I can’t see them bringing in a top prospect to play minimal even strength minutes and being here for injury replacement.

I see Domi as a centre and Armia and Suzuki battling for 2nd and 3rd line roles, not necessarily who is better but who has better chemistry with whom. I see Lehkonen as our 3rd line centre long term, not in the upcoming year but when things settle out (unless we draft Byfield or something like that).

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Oh, it was sarcastic alright.

So...? You're showing that Danault's ES production isn't that great because of Armia and Lehkonen's ES production? Is that it?

 

[Mrb1p]

So...? You're showing that Danault's ES production isn't that great because of Armia and Lehkonen's ES production? Is that it?

Im showing its pretty much inconsequential, yes.

 

[LaP]

If ES production doesn't lead to victory then it is inconsequential. People will need to realize the goal of hockey is to score more goals not to score more ES goal. Yes good 200 feet hockey and good defensive play is important but if you can't score the big goal on a PP with 10 minutes to go while trailing by 1 goal then it is pointless. PP does matter and is very important.

The ES myth of the last 2 years is one of the most unbearable thing i've seen here. It is one of the reason i don't post much anymore lately i just can't stand seeing some usage justified by ES production. If you gonna play in the top 6 you HAVE to pull your weigh ton the PP. It's not optional it is a MUST.

 

[lamp9post]

Next season, Suzuki will probably be a center full time, so that opens up a RW spot for Caufield even with Armia in the top 9

Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Domi - Kotkaniemi - Caufield
Drouin - Suzuki - Armia
Byron - Poehling - Lehkonen

He only needs to be better than Weal to be in the lineup, and he only needs to be better than Byron and Lehkonen to be in the top 9. That shouldn't be hard

That's a promising lineup if the young players progress as we hope. Quite a lot of depth, although young at the C position. Add a top-4 LD and this could be a good team.

 

[angusyoung]

That's a promising lineup if the young players progress as we hope. Quite a lot of depth, although young at the C position. Add a top-4 LD and this could be a good team.

Yeah,IF and HOPE,better throw in PREY.

 

[Mrb1p]

If ES production doesn't lead to victory then it is inconsequential. People will need to realize the goal of hockey is to score more goals not to score more ES goal. Yes good 200 feet hockey and good defensive play is important but if you can't score the big goal on a PP with 10 minutes to go while trailing by 1 goal then it is pointless. PP does matter and is very important.

The ES myth of the last 2 years is one of the most unbearable thing i've seen here. It is one of the reason i don't post much anymore lately i just can't stand seeing some usage justified by ES production. If you gonna play in the top 6 you HAVE to pull your weigh ton the PP. It's not optional it is a MUST.

It is also important to outproduce, or at least match, the production of your pairs. In Armia, Danaults and Lekhonens case, they don't and thats why the Habs are losing more games than theyre losing.(Well, one of the reason why.)

 

[lamp9post]

It is also important to outproduce, or at least match, the production of your pairs. In Armia, Danaults and Lekhonens case, they don't and thats why the Habs are losing more games than theyre losing.(Well, one of the reason why.)

Every line in hockey has a player that produces less than his linemates.

 

[LaP]

Every line in hockey has a player that produces less than his linemates.

I think he meant producing as much as players from other teams with the same usage.

 

[Frozenice]

It is also important to outproduce, or at least match, the production of your pairs. In Armia, Danaults and Lekhonens case, they don't and thats why the Habs are losing more games than theyre losing.(Well, one of the reason why.)

Wtf, how can you lose more games then you actually lose?

 

[Mrb1p]

Every line in hockey has a player that produces less than his linemates.

I meant pair as in opposing players

Wtf, how can you lose more games then you actually lose?

Havent slept much lately

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Im showing its pretty much inconsequential, yes.

so I missed nothing lol

 

[Mrb1p]

so I missed nothing lol

Ya it did. The point was that no one calls Armia a first liner.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Ya it did. The point was that no one calls Armia a first liner.

the sarcasm doesn't land too well when he's pacing for 25/25 lol.

 

[MasterD]

the sarcasm doesn't land too well when he's pacing for 25/25 lol.

25/25 is not 1st line production. If it is on a given team, said team is in big, big trouble.

 

[Walrus26]

Wtf, how can you lose more games then you actually lose?

Some days reading this board, that seems quite possible!

 

[Mrb1p]

the sarcasm doesn't land too well when he's pacing for 25/25 lol.

Im starting to think the actual problem is that most people on this board live in a bubble and are not exposed to other 96% of the NHL. It is baffling me how ill informed a lot of people are, I thought its pretty obvious that Lekhonen and Armia are nowhere near top 6 talent, but here we are. Then theres those dude that are telling me that Danault is as good as Tavares, Backstrom, Bergeron, Barzal, Mackinnon and the likes.

Im just trying to pierce the bubble.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

25/25 is not 1st line production. If it is on a given team, said team is in big, big trouble.

no it isn't but it's certainly 2nd line production. Making a sarcastic comment about Armia being a 1st liner when he's producing like a 2nd liner, again doesn't really make the sarcasm sting that much lol.