Player Discussion Joel Armia turnaround year?

[Spearmint Rhino]

Alright, but at least has to play 70 games. Does that work?

Nope, his fragility is also part of his problem and another reason why he shouldn’t have been re-signed

 

[Hacketts]

Nope, his fragility is also part of his problem and another reason why he shouldn’t have been re-signed

I'll go 65 games, if you can't do that. No bet to be made.

 

[the]

Man…if there’s any justice in this world Bergevin should take some of these awful contracts in LA with him.

Leaving a team with such a mess should be illegal. Take your freaking garbage with you,

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Joel Armia turnaround year confirmed letsgo big fella​

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I'll go 65 games, if you can't do that. No bet to be made.

I wouldn’t even bet he makes 60 games let alone anything related to points

I’d say if you need disclaimers you’re not really that confident he bounces back - I’d love nothing more than to be wrong but as a wise man once said

 

[Scriptor]

I saw Armia play some of his best hockey when he was with Staal and Perry, it was the first time in what seemed forever that we had a BIG line that could just work the boards and cycle it. A line of Slaf-Dach-Armia could be an interesting match up together, but I do think him and Slaf might have chemistry.

Why not?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

was a 2m 4th liner when we traded for him
years later hes still a 4th liner now overpaid.

 

[Belial]

was a 2m 4th liner when we traded for him
years later hes still a 4th liner now overpaid.

Your takes are as bad as ever. Gotta give it to you for consistency.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Your takes are as bad as ever. Gotta give it to you for consistency.

If you think Armia is not a 4th liner then I suspect you still love Bergevin and his majestic work.

28 points in his last 101 games. With powerplay time.
Even Poehling did better than him and I legit consider him a 13th forward

 

[Belial]

If you think Armia is not a 4th liner then I suspect you still love Bergevin and his majestic work.

28 points in his last 101 games. With powerplay time. Let that sink in that awful KK doubled his production while being absolutely atrocious with 9min of ice time.

Armia put up 30 points in 58 games in 19/20 season, that's 42 points in a full season prorated.

Can you please name me a 4th liner in the league able to put up 40 points?

 

[Scriptor]

Armia put up 30 points in 58 games in 19/20 season, that's 42 points in a full season prorated.

Can you please name me a 4th liner in the league able to put up 40 points?

Armia has third line talent, for sure, but his lack of consistency, like with Drouin, and a ton of other NHLers, makes him a frustrating player to watch.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Armia put up 30 points in 58 games in 19/20 season, that's 42 points in a full season prorated.

Can you please name me a 4th liner in the league able to put up 40 points?

Are you seriously cherry picking his best season from 3 years ago and layering the pace argument on top of that to justify his place in the line up and contract?

I’ll play this game, in 27 games under MSL he had 8 pts averaging 3rd line minutes

That’s a prorated 24 pt season for $3.4MM

Pitlick had a prorated 48 pt season over the same stretch and is making $1.1MM

If you’re keeping score at home that is 2x the production for 1/3 the cost

One of these is a good 3rd liner paid accordingly and one of these is a grossly overpaid 4th liner

 

[Belial]

Are you seriously cherry picking his best season from 3 years ago and layering the pace argument on top of that to justify his place in the line up and contract?

I’ll play this game, in 27 games under MSL he had 8 pts averaging 3rd line minutes

That’s a prorated 24 pt season for $3.4MM

Pitlick had a prorated 48 pt season over the same stretch and is making $1.1MM

If you’re keeping score at home that is 2x the production for 1/3 the cost

One of these is a good 3rd liner paid accordingly and one of these is a grossly overpaid 4th liner

Armia is not a fourth liner. That was my whole point.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Armia is not a fourth liner. That was my whole point.

He might find himself on the 4th line next season, with all the wingers they have.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He might find himself on the 4th line next season, with all the wingers they have.

He might. I think chances are that at least one of Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher has a turnaround year. Their contracts might have some value if Hoffman pots 21-22, Armia 17-19 and Gallagher 24-25.

 

[dcyhabs]

Armia is a waste of talent. He only seems motivated when he's wearing the Finnish logo on his jersey.

Is it the logo or the less physical international games?

Armia does some things well and he might be effective if a coach put him in a role he could play. Problem is the payoff probably isn't worth the focus on him, the coach has to worry about 6-8 better players.

 

[BLNY]

It was always going to come down to Armia or Lehkonen. Former brass were seduced by Armia's higher potential ceiling, but he doesn't have Lehkonen's speed or work ethic. Or knack for big goals.

Unless Arizona decides his contract is worth taking on, Montreal is stuck with him until at least the 2024 trade deadline.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Armia is not a fourth liner. That was my whole point.

He’s not paid as a 4th liner, that’s about it, his production is 4th line most days and should be no-line on lots of other days

 

[Hacketts]

I wouldn’t even bet he makes 60 games let alone anything related to points

I’d say if you need disclaimers you’re not really that confident he bounces back - I’d love nothing more than to be wrong but as a wise man once said

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You're the one accusing him of being a terrible hockey player, so why it would matter if he plays the majority of the season.. that shouldn't change anything, right?

All I'm saying is if he has a healthy season, I think he'll have a solid year.

 

[CHfan1]

Armia is not a fourth liner. That was my whole point.

Unfortunately his production last season says otherwise. For Habs forwards he was 13th in scoring, 15th in even strength points, and 16th in ppg (for players who played more than 20 games). The season before he was 11th in scoring for Habs forwards.

That’s 4th line production.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

You're the one accusing him of being a terrible hockey player, so why it would matter if he plays the majority of the season.. that shouldn't change anything, right?

All I'm saying is if he has a healthy season, I think he'll have a solid year.

I’m merely stating the facts, if that portrays him as a terrible hockey player then he needs to change that reality

IF he’s healthy, IF he finally becomes consistent, IF he’s given Top 6 minutes and PP time all year, there’s just too many excuses for the guy

I’ll be the first one at the dining table to eat crow if he earns his contract his season

 

[Weltschmerz]

He might. I think chances are that at least one of Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher has a turnaround year. Their contracts might have some value if Hoffman pots 21-22, Armia 17-19 and Gallagher 24-25.

Not sure if they get that icetime to put up such numbers.
Caufield will get a lot, then there is Anderson, Droui and Dadanov are UFAs so they will maybe showcase them a bit, not sure about Slaf if he even will be in the NHL.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Make you a wager he'll put up 20 goals or 40 pts next season. $50?

There’s better ways to lose 50$, try betting mise au jeux with Marinaro picks.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Man…if there’s any justice in this world Bergevin should take some of these awful contracts in LA with him.

Leaving a team with such a mess should be illegal. Take your freaking garbage with you,

The good news is the contract of Drouin and Byron finish this season.

 

[Canadienna]

As the ultimate moderate I'm going to say he's better than just a 4th liner and is also overpaid.

I'm expecting ~ 15G, 20A.