Confirmed with Link: Joe Thornton to Leafs [1yr/700k]

[CertifiedGoat]

Leafs hate Simmons, so Simmons will be spinning everything into a negative. He doesn't have the best relationship with the Raptors either. I'd be surprised if anyone at MLSE will be doing Simmons any favours.

 

[ruaware41]

No offense but you are part of the HF mentality that is the big problem. HF kicks Leafs fans down for praising their young stars because we're "overrating" them meanwhile other players around the league who are lesser get crazy amounts of praise.

As for the Gardiner to Keith comparison. Not one person has ever made that comparison. I INFACT have made a Morgan Rielly to Duncan Keith comparison however. If you look at how they've played thus far in their careers, their offensive trajectory has been very similar. Granted Keith was seen much better defensively but he also had the luxury of an A+++ partner in Seabrook who held the fort down and allowed Keith to do his thing. If Morgan could find that consistently (like he did with Hainsey), he can be equally as good as Keith, if not better.

Another example of the HF bullshit is the "Matthews is overrated crowd" when in reality, there has been no center since Stamkos who has averaged more goals per game in his first 4 seasons and the guy would've put up 50 this year. Yet, he gets shit on by the Pettersson fanboys, the Eichel fanboys, the Draisaitl fanboys, the MacKinnon fanboys.

Matthews vs. Pettersson: HF thinks Pettersson better because even though he produces half the goals and less offense, he supposedly has miraculous defensive abilities. But the stats don't really show a big gap in their defense, however show a massive gap in offense.

Matthews vs. Eichel: HF thinks Eichel is a physical specimen who is a captain and put up huge numbers on his own in his 5th season, meanwhile Matthews has been playing with ROOOKIES and 3rd/4th liners for 80% of his career and still putting up 40 goals a year. Yet, Eichel is the one who gets credit for doing more with less (he's had 2nd overall pick Reinhart tied to his hip since day 1). Matthews has had Nylander who has been wildly inconsistent at times and was a rookie in his best season till this year.

Matthews vs. Draisaitl: Drai better because of Hart and so many points! WOW. Except at Matthews' age Draisaitl hadn't ever hit PPG or a 30 goal season, WHILE getting a ton of time playing with McDavid. Past 2 years, he's continued to play with McDavid for more than 50% of his shifts at ES/PP, and now magically he's a center and much better player but yet we're going to ignore the fact that he's played with McDavid who's spoon feeding him offense at times and neither he nor McDavid have any sense of where the defensive zone is. THE SAME PETTERSSON FANBOYS who bitch about EPs defensive game putting Matthews ahead rank Draisaitl ahead of Auston. When in reality, their defensive stats are miles apart compared to their offensive numbers and the closest thing Auston's had to play with was Mitch for 45 games. Draisaitl is used to playing with McDavid, they've had probably 300 games now playing together.

Matthews vs. MacKinnon: This is right up your alley. MacKinnon is the best center going forward behind McDavid and arguably #1 ahead of McDavid according to some hockey "guru's" and yet when you tell MacK fans or even HF in general that at this age and point in career for MacK, he was averaging a pedestrian 54 points in his career per 82 and about 18-20 goals, compared to Matthews averaging 83 points per 82 and about 44 goals per 82 at the SAME AGE. You get shit on by people because.. "player trajectories aren't always linear". People bitch about how MacK is at a whole another level when in reality not one person saw that 53 point player 4 years ago become a 40 goal 100 point player right now. YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY THOUGH. IF THE SEASON CONTINUED, MATTHEWS AT 22 YEARS OF AGE WOULD'VE HIT 54 GOALS AND 94 POINTS at TWENTY f***ING TWO. MacK hit 41 goals and 99 points (his career highs) at 24. Yes, he paced at about 42 goals and 110 points in a full season this year at age 25. But are you really going to tell me that a guy like Matthews, who has consistently trended upwards as a former highly touted 1st overall pick with big body and size playing consistently with inferior players and still producing is now all of a sudden going to stop his growth moving forward. While a guy in MacK who many had labelled a bust not so long ago is always going to maintain his mantle at the top. GIVE ME A BREAK. MacK plays with Landeskog and Rantanen. Rantanen shits on Marner in HF polls. Yet, everyone sucks up to MacKinnon for his dominance, yet trashing Matthews because of "reasons".

Leafs fans definitely are guilty of overrating their players. NO DOUBT. But if you want to set an example of it, I wouldn't be going after guys who are praising Matthews, Marner and Rielly. Heck even Tavares is a solid player and a star. These guys are equally as good as many stars around the league and deserve the praise and are getting PAID as the big stars should. They have the resume's from juniors up to back them up.

WE HAVE 3 POTENTIAL FUTURE HOF PLAYERS CURRENTLY IN THEIR PRIME/ INFANCY IN MATTHEWS, MARNER AND TAVARES. DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.

Up to this point in their careers, Matthews and Marner are outpacing every player in the league not named Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid and Malkin, Stamkos. All of whom are going to be future HOFers.

Everyone is going gaga over other players in the league and the Leafs players are getting shit on for their lack of playoff success but the reality is, these guys are still 1-2 years away from their prime and these next 4-5 seasons are going to be the dominance of the Leafs on the back of the three headed monster of Nylander/ Matthews/ Marner. Enjoy the ride.

It’s a bit of both. Hf isn’t all good either. Comparing a star stud dman who had astounding development to your early 20s something player is immature and ridiculous. Because most players who are at the level he was at at 21 aren’t going to be as good. And yea I saw a few gardiner and Keith comparisons which is just as ridiculous as the Keith and Reilly ones.

Plenty of leafs fans had the audacity to compare McDavid and Matthews. I don’t see other fans comparing their star player to mcdavid or claiming he’s better. I agree Matthews gets underrated but the problem is two fold. We overrate and they underrated but we are often quite an annoying bunch with our hot takes.

you can’t just say oh at this age this current player was this good and our guy is as good at the same age. Especially when you throw someone like Keith in or Thornton who’s maybe the best playmaker of the 21st century. It’s both possible that Marner is a really good playmaker and that a comparison to a prime Thornton is ridiculous.

 

[ruaware41]

Then you're just not smart...

Marner is a 23 year old winger that has put up 94 points at 21 years old and on pace for 93 points as a 22 year old in what every Leaf fan would agree was a bad year for him play-wise.

Production-wise, prime Marner has a decent shot of reaching the level of prime Thornton. I love when people say development isn't linear....sure...for 90% of the time. When you're talking about U23 players that have already produced the way Marner has...the stats show those players continue to greater levels.

Marner:

D+1 - OHL
D+2 - 61 points in 77 games (65 points pace), 4 points in 6 playoff games
D+3 - 69 points in 82 games, 9 points in 7 playoff games
D+4 - 94 points in 82 games, 4 points in 7 playoff games
D+5 - 67 points in 59 games (93 point pace), 4 points in 5 playoff games

Thornton:

D+1 - 7 points in 55 games (10 point pace) , 0 points in 6 postseason games
D+2 - 41 points in 81 games, 9 points in 11 playoff games
D+3 - 60 points in 81 games, no playoffs
D+4 - 71 points in 72 games (81 point pace), no playoffs
D+5 - 68 points in 66 playoff games (84 point pace), 6 points in 6 playoff games.

Through their first 5 seasons post-draft Marner has been the superior producer. Thornton just has the size and positional advantage. And since you brought up play-making...Peak Thornton had 92 assists and his next two best seasons assist wise were 72 (05-06) and 69 (09-10)...and he didn't do that until his 9th and 10th seasons in the league. Marner in his 3rd NHL season put up 68 assists and last year was on pace for 71... I don't see any reason why peak Marner can't reach the levels of peak Thornton. Especially considering who his top 6 C's are for the next several years (Matthews + Tavares).

Because development isn’t linear it’s not hard to understand. Just because someone is very much ahead of someone based on when they were the same age does not mean that they will surpass them at their peak especially when the player followed a very abnormal career trajectory compared to most first rounders who make it. I’m pretty sure Nolan Patrick has a better 18 year old season than Joe it doesn’t mean that he will end up a better player. Marner may very well end up better than prime Joe but at present that’s a ridiculous claim. And the fact that Thornton has an unusual career trajectory and Marner has a great start to his career is even more reason that a comparison of their developments is ridiculous. Decreasing returns to scale and all. This is exactly how this fan base continues to overrate their players. It was just as ridiculous as Keith and Gardiner and Keith and Rielly.

 

[Notsince67]

It’s a bit of both. Hf isn’t all good either. Comparing a star stud dman who had astounding development to your early 20s something player is immature and ridiculous. Because most players who are at the level he was at at 21 aren’t going to be as good. And yea I saw a few gardiner and Keith comparisons which is just as ridiculous as the Keith and Reilly ones.

Plenty of leafs fans had the audacity to compare McDavid and Matthews. I don’t see other fans comparing their star player to mcdavid or claiming he’s better. I agree Matthews gets underrated but the problem is two fold. We overrate and they underrated but we are often quite an annoying bunch with our hot takes.

you can’t just say oh at this age this current player was this good and our guy is as good at the same age. Especially when you throw someone like Keith in or Thornton who’s maybe the best playmaker of the 21st century. It’s both possible that Marner is a really good playmaker and that a comparison to a prime Thornton is ridiculous.

You are the only one setting up that strawman. Maybe you should allow a 5th year in the league before you conclude he has plateaued and cant reach the heights that Thorton reached.

 

[Gallagbi]

Then you're just not smart...

Marner is a 23 year old winger that has put up 94 points at 21 years old and on pace for 93 points as a 22 year old in what every Leaf fan would agree was a bad year for him play-wise.

Production-wise, prime Marner has a decent shot of reaching the level of prime Thornton. I love when people say development isn't linear....sure...for 90% of the time. When you're talking about U23 players that have already produced the way Marner has...the stats show those players continue to greater levels.

Marner:

D+1 - OHL
D+2 - 61 points in 77 games (65 points pace), 4 points in 6 playoff games
D+3 - 69 points in 82 games, 9 points in 7 playoff games
D+4 - 94 points in 82 games, 4 points in 7 playoff games
D+5 - 67 points in 59 games (93 point pace), 4 points in 5 playoff games

Thornton:

D+1 - 7 points in 55 games (10 point pace) , 0 points in 6 postseason games
D+2 - 41 points in 81 games, 9 points in 11 playoff games
D+3 - 60 points in 81 games, no playoffs
D+4 - 71 points in 72 games (81 point pace), no playoffs
D+5 - 68 points in 66 playoff games (84 point pace), 6 points in 6 playoff games.

Through their first 5 seasons post-draft Marner has been the superior producer. Thornton just has the size and positional advantage. And since you brought up play-making...Peak Thornton had 92 assists and his next two best seasons assist wise were 72 (05-06) and 69 (09-10)...and he didn't do that until his 9th and 10th seasons in the league. Marner in his 3rd NHL season put up 68 assists and last year was on pace for 71... I don't see any reason why peak Marner can't reach the levels of peak Thornton. Especially considering who his top 6 C's are for the next several years (Matthews + Tavares).

While I don't disagree Marners a great passes, it's tough to compare their points given the era. Thornton was breaking out in the black hole offense NHL.

At his peak, Thornton was a Hart trophy winner and the league's leading scorer. We'll all be very happy if Mitch reaches that level, but I'm not sure he has the scoring ability to do it.

Side note, would have been very interesting to watch Mitch specifically, but even this whole team in a 05-07 type NHL environment

 

[ruaware41]

Are you psychic or is this just a hot take. Marner is already having a better career. These kind of garbage comments is sooo common here among the pretend leaf fans. If Marner is a great playmaker, "playmakers are garbage because they dont score goals."When presented with a playmaker who is a bit of a legend..."what an awesome playmaker. Marner will never be like this guy in his prime".
You arent even arguing a point. This is a construct completely made up by you to trash one of our top players. So your point is that Marner is not as good as what other people think. Good for you. Get in line with the rest of the fools who have been saying the same thing since he was drafted. Such great insightful scintilating insight shouldnt go to waste here. It belongs on the main boards where the leaf trolls run with impunity.

You are the only one setting up that strawman. Maybe you should allow a 5th year in the league before you conclude he has plateaued and cant reach the heights that Thorton reached.

So are you a psychic then diagnosing who’s a pretend fan based on whether they agree with your view point or not? You said your angry little piece which I wasn’t going to dignify with a response but you had to quote me again so since you really want it here ya go. Good for you move on but no heaven forbid someone not blindly worship everything about the leafs and act a bit reasonable. One post being salty isn’t enough for ya. Your initial post is filled with straw man arguments that I never even said so it’s high and mighty to accuse someone of that. If you cannot read your post and see the straw man then there’s no point in talking with you.

Yea nothing unreasonable about not expecting a player to not match maybe the greatest playmaker of the past 20 years. God forbid we not put undue and unnecessary pressure on players with comparisons that they haven’t yet earned and just wait and see.

 

[IPS]

The stupidity needs to be called out. Stupidity that included predictions that he will be an 80 to 85 point produces when he has been trending at over 90 for 82 consecutive games since december 2018. Stupidity that prejudges him being a lesser player than Kane when he has already exceeded his numbers at the same point in their careers. Stupidity that judges Point to be a superior player while playing Tandem with one of the highest point producers of a cherry picked year and being part of a very good stanley cup winner this year. Stupidity that puts Rantanen and Aho above Marner in skill. Will love to see how well your prognostications bear out. I am quite certain if Marner fails to outperform these guys over time, people like you will be quite free to point it out on this forum. You put yourself out there and Ill be happy to remind you of you of your fantastic assessments over time.
The ad hominem attackers need to be called out. Pretty simple.

This isn't a Marner thread so I'm not going to go in any sort of depth responding to any of this. But if you're honestly going around keeping tabs on everybody's opinion of Marner around here, you have full right to remind anyone of their assessments of him when things play out in the future. Maybe consider finding some help too, this doesn't seem healthy.

 

[moon111]

Think we can use this deal as a benchmark to judge Leaf's scrutiny. eg. Brian Burke? You're a bitter old man who's been left behind the times.

Joe Thornton had 12 less even-strength minutes last year compared to Mitch Marner. He played on a team where Marleau cracked their top-6 in goals/60 ration.
We got better goal production out of Timashov and Nicholas Shore! This playmaker wasn't exactly setting up some major goal-scorers. You look at his ice-time,
he could of filled in Mikheyev's 5-on-5, yet he's going to come in no more expensive then Frederik Gauthier. If all he does is 4th line duties, that's terrific! At the
worst, he gets hurt, is a huge positive influence in the dressing room while some young player gets in anyways.

Anyone in the media who is tearing apart the Leafs, Thornton, Dubas, etc... should have to have IDIOT tattooed their their forehead or something.

 

[Notsince67]

So are you a psychic then diagnosing who’s a pretend fan based on whether they agree with your view point or not? You said your angry little piece which I wasn’t going to dignify with a response but you had to quote me again so since you really want it here ya go. Good for you move on but no heaven forbid someone not blindly worship everything about the leafs and act a bit reasonable. One post being salty isn’t enough for ya. Your initial post is filled with straw man arguments that I never even said so it’s high and mighty to accuse someone of that. If you cannot read your post and see the straw man then there’s no point in talking with you.

Yea nothing unreasonable about not expecting a player to not match maybe the greatest playmaker of the past 20 years. God forbid we not put undue and unnecessary pressure on players with comparisons that they haven’t yet earned and just wait and see.

Put a plug in it. Thorton beat Marner in "2 year sample window" consecutive assists per game played only 3 times in his career and he didnt begin that until his 9th 10th and 11th year. The fact you would even bring up a career comparison is a joke. You set the strawman up because you dont like people supporting Marner. You just tried to flatten Marner because you thought it would sound good. Diminishing a player on a team you purport to like with something so transparently biased doesnt give you the right to be outraged when you get called out for it. Eat some crow and stop doubling down. Chagrin is the appropriate emotion for you.

 

[AreBe]

Because development isn’t linear it’s not hard to understand. Just because someone is very much ahead of someone based on when they were the same age does not mean that they will surpass them at their peak especially when the player followed a very abnormal career trajectory compared to most first rounders who make it. I’m pretty sure Nolan Patrick has a better 18 year old season than Joe it doesn’t mean that he will end up a better player. Marner may very well end up better than prime Joe but at present that’s a ridiculous claim. And the fact that Thornton has an unusual career trajectory and Marner has a great start to his career is even more reason that a comparison of their developments is ridiculous. Decreasing returns to scale and all. This is exactly how this fan base continues to overrate their players. It was just as ridiculous as Keith and Gardiner and Keith and Rielly.

You are absolutely correct that development is not linear.

But the entire point of analytic - and we should rejoice- s that you pay a player today for what they will do for you tomorrow, and not pay a player for what they did elsewhere in the past for someone else,

We keep getting these broken down victory lap players and Leafs Nation refuses to accept that this is the broken down torn ACL pylon version.
The more Leafs Nation dumps on Marner and Nylander the more confident we can be that we are in the Golden Age of Leafs Management.
We have an analytics department- Rejoice! Rejoice! Rejoice! Leafs Nation fumes with rage at this age of reason decision making, but we need to celebrate the victory of logic over gut feel.

It will be a dark day when the Leafs can Dubas and get tough, trade out the stupid job- taking Europeans like Svensky and bring in O'Thuggo. Trade some European or Yankee youth for fan-favorite 4th line grinders and Good Canadain Kids like marginal NHL ers Bob Bobson and Doug Dougson and maybe they can run some box sitting drills for the European players in the organization. And then we are old, slow, and more injury-prone, out of the playoffs, and with no youth and no draft picks- that is the true end result of the Leafs Nation method (Preference for Good Canadian Kids and suspicion of others, lots of President's Choice Memories of When they Were Good. etc getting weaker and slower. trade picks and trade the farm, always all in

The other thing Leafs Nation cannot handle is that you draft for tomorrow- not today. And not for today's NHL

 

[Notsince67]

This isn't a Marner thread so I'm not going to go in any sort of depth responding to any of this. But if you're honestly going around keeping tabs on everybody's opinion of Marner around here, you have full right to remind anyone of their assessments of him when things play out in the future. Maybe consider finding some help too, this doesn't seem healthy.

Maybe you should address prople who interject with a Marner this or Marner that before you go after someone who is refuting an attack and is addressing a post directly. The stupidity hits every thread because the idiocy doesnt get addressed. I am not going to sit out from participating from comments that are unchallenged by YOU because you happen to agree with them.
You've most certainly been a party to many of the dumb swipes at the kid as well. This isnt your personal echo chamber.

 

[nobody]

It’s a bit of both. Hf isn’t all good either. Comparing a star stud dman who had astounding development to your early 20s something player is immature and ridiculous. Because most players who are at the level he was at at 21 aren’t going to be as good. And yea I saw a few gardiner and Keith comparisons which is just as ridiculous as the Keith and Reilly ones.

Plenty of leafs fans had the audacity to compare McDavid and Matthews. I don’t see other fans comparing their star player to mcdavid or claiming he’s better. I agree Matthews gets underrated but the problem is two fold. We overrate and they underrated but we are often quite an annoying bunch with our hot takes.

you can’t just say oh at this age this current player was this good and our guy is as good at the same age. Especially when you throw someone like Keith in or Thornton who’s maybe the best playmaker of the 21st century. It’s both possible that Marner is a really good playmaker and that a comparison to a prime Thornton is ridiculous.

I'm not saying our guys are as good at the same age. I'm saying they are better.

Rielly >> Keith at the same point in their careers with respect to age and production.
Matthews >> Eichel, Pettersson, MacKinnon, Draisaitl
Marner >> Thornton at 22 (numbers wise)

Also, TSN or Sportnet not too long ago listed MacK as the #1 player right now, ahead of McDavid. Yet, I just showed you and the numbers show that Matthews was head and shoulders above MacK at the same age. What's to say that Matthews and Marner can't take leaps into the 110-120 point ranges and put up McDavid/ Joe Thornton numbers when other players with slower starts to their careers and lesser trajectories have managed to do it?

Heck, look at a guy like Pasta. He was drafted late first as a shooter. Now he's riding shotgun with Marchand and Bergeron on the best line in hockey and is averaging 110 points. 6 years ago you would've gotten laughed off the stage if you had mentioned that Pasta would turn into one of the top point producers thanks to who he plays with.

So why are these leaps in production and apparent "pedestal" these other players get put on justified, while our guys who are already better and doing more with less to this point in their careers are considered "overrated".

It doesn't make much sense.

 

[IPS]

Maybe you should address prople who interject with a Marner this or Marner that before you go after someone who is refuting an attack and is addressing a post directly. The stupidity hits every thread because the idiocy doesnt get addressed. I am not going to sit out from participating from comments that are unchallenged by YOU because you happen to agree with them.
You've most certainly been a party to many of the dumb swipes at the kid as well. This isnt your personal echo chamber.

This is rich. You're literally in here fishing for it with responses like these.

Werent you clamoring against greed time and time again? Thorton once took 17.09% of his teams cap. Thats over 13.9mm in todays money. Isnt greed really really bad? Will he infect everyone to be someone worse than your obvious high standards?

He is a playmaker. Among many in this crowd, absolutely worthless unless he scores goals.

 

[ruaware41]

Put a plug in it. Thorton beat Marner in "2 year sample window" consecutive assists per game played only 3 times in his career and he didnt begin that until his 9th 10th and 11th year. The fact you would even bring up a career comparison is a joke. You set the strawman up because you dont like people supporting Marner. You just tried to flatten Marner because you thought it would sound good. Diminishing a player on a team you purport to like with something so transparently biased doesnt give you the right to be outraged when you get called out for it. Eat some crow and stop doubling down. Chagrin is the appropriate emotion for you.

Maybe learn to read your posts carefully when you’re guilty of something before accusing someone else of that same thing. You are not even worth addressing so how about you stop quoting me multiple times desperate for a response and move on. You have too much cognitive dissonance to even realize the amount of strawman in your posts before you go around accusing someone else of that. I’m guessing this is a regular habit for you but if you cannot handle a discussion like an adult without throwing hissy fits, getting defensive and throwing names around and putting words in people’s mouth and making unsubstantiated assumptions maybe you’re better off logging out. I have not bashed Marner or tried to flatten him. The only one outraged here is you replying to me multiple times with nothing but ad hominem when you obviously don’t offer anything interesting as a poster aside from just making assumptions about other people and then trying to attack that. I’m not the one who initially brought up the comparisons with Thornton but merely responded to them highlighting how comparing where they are at the same point in their careers is unreasonable because most people regardless of how far ahead they may be of Thorton before 24 will never end up having the peak that he did. If you can give it be ready to take it too bud.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I’m thinking Jumbo could get some spot duty on Austons wing in the O zone when we are pressing for a goal. Pretty good passer and puck retriever for a senior.

 

[kb]

I’m thinking Jumbo could get some spot duty on Austons wing in the O zone when we are pressing for a goal. Pretty good passer and puck retriever for a senior.

I was wondering about that myself. LW riding shotgun with Matthews/Marner or Matthews/Nylander.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I was wondering about that myself. LW riding shotgun with Matthews/Marner or Matthews/Nylander.

I like Nylander there myself. Marner goes with Tavares on the next shift after the icing

 

[fahad203]

He can regale the young ones with tales of epic choke jobs.

Yes because Joe reaching Stanly Cup finals isn't worthy of anything

I guess Mats Sundin, Dale Howerchuck are you know choke artists because they never won Stanly Cups. I mean heck Spezza went to the finals and didn't win.


You must be new to sports. You have a player who brings of experience and provides some depth is a bad move.



Maybe the management is brining on a older player to relief some pressure from Tavares and Auston. Or maybe he can actually takes a face-off, provides some net presence

 

[A1LeafNation]

Least term and least money, but because of the player and the team this must be the biggest move of the off-season.

Looks like more people talking about this than Pietrangelo.

 

[AreBe]

Least term and least money, but because of the player and the team this must be the biggest move of the off-season.
.

And you got the problems right there and this is the President's Choice Memories of When they Were Good. 1, Least term, 2, least money. Washed up version. What is happening is that Leafs Nation is photoshopping a Leafs jersey on Thornton from 15 years ago, and not today's broken down, slow, injury-prone version.

 

[Warden of the North]

Sharks fans sure took this signing well.

Wow

 

[Notsince67]

This is rich. You're literally in here fishing for it with responses like these.

Heh...really rich coming from you. Playing a game of Marner is, isnt or wont be....btw look at me!!....narsisism games. Criticize the content of my posts if you can will more than your unsubstatiated opinions based on thin evidence. That can stand on its own. When I go after some of the dubious claims, dont run for cover and expect you wont be called on it. There has been plenty of leaf bashing around here. Playing as if you are woefully innocent of some of this crap by twisting it as some form of obsession on my part, is totally ironic given your easily verifiable posting track record. You arent the worse but you aint innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
.....and Kane isnt better

 

[Dayjobdave]

I like Nylander there myself. Marner goes with Tavares on the next shift after the icing

I agree. Three guys who can dig the puck, and Jumbo can feed two great shooters.

I think JT would be ok having Marner back on his wing occasionally.

I think that might be a lot of minutes for Jumbo, but it could work sometimes.

 

[Cleetus]

Sharks fans sure took this signing well.

Wow

what do you mean?, are they upset, or happy that he came to the leafs?

 

[Legion34]

Heh...really rich coming from you. Playing a game of Marner is, isnt or wont be....btw look at me!!....narsisism games. Criticize the content of my posts if you can will more than your unsubstatiated opinions based on thin evidence. That can stand on its own. When I go after some of the dubious claims, dont run for cover and expect you wont be called on it. There has been plenty of leaf bashing around here. Playing as if you are woefully innocent of some of this crap by twisting it as some form of obsession on my part, is totally ironic given your easily verifiable posting track record. You arent the worse but you aint innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
.....and Kane isnt better

is this the right thread?