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Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik traded for the reliever we need.

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Should we play the "what if" hindsight game with our bullpen?

We're paying 10.25M for Yates, Phelps, and Chatwood (two are out for the year, one ineffective).

In contrast:

Padres sign Melancon: 3M (25 sv)
White Sox sign Hendricks: (21 sv)
Nationals sign Hand: 10.5M (18 sv)
Giants sign Jake McGee: 2.5M (15 w)
 
TheMadHatTrick said:
Should we play the "what if" hindsight game with our bullpen?

We're paying 10.25M for Yates, Phelps, and Chatwood (two are out for the year, one ineffective).

In contrast:

Padres sign Melancon: 3M (25 sv)
White Sox sign Hendricks: (21 sv)
Nationals sign Hand: 10.5M (18 sv)
Giants sign Jake McGee: 2.5M (15 w)
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I mean... Hendriks makes more than the entire Jays bullpen. Unless the "what if" is "what if we signed Hendriks instead of Semien?", I'm not really sure he fits this game.

Personally, I wouldn't include Phelps either... he was just a good, steady, reliable reliever when they signed him. Going with someone more reliable than Yates and more of a sure-thing than Chatwood is perfectly fair, though.
 
You know what, take Williams or Bednar and throw them in the bullpen for the remainder of the year like the White Sox did with Sale. Heck, they have Crochett there right now pitching in 22 games so far.
 
Discoverer said:
I mean... Hendriks makes more than the entire Jays bullpen. Unless the "what if" is "what if we signed Hendriks instead of Semien?", I'm not really sure he fits this game.

Personally, I wouldn't include Phelps either... he was just a good, steady, reliable reliever when they signed him. Going with someone more reliable than Yates and more of a sure-thing than Chatwood is perfectly fair, though.
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I agree. Jays Bullpen was top 5 in fWAR when healthy in for the first 5 weeks of the season. They were 2nd in ERA, 2nd in blown saves and 4th in ERs. Many of us were praising how this FO put together this bullpen at minimal cost.

The injuries hurt them and the possible use of Spider Tack could have hurt the guys that didnt get hurt.

For me it is hard to fault them though i wasnt too happy when we watched Iglesias go for nothing to LAA and Hand go on a 1 year deal, same goes for Morton but he was a starter. Anyways it takes 2 to tango and perhaps the Reds liked what the Angels were offering and Morton and Hand didnt want to play here.

In the end, its not what they Jays didnt do in the off-season, its what they do now to fix it. And maybe drastic moves arent needed to fix the problem;

April 1st to May 5th 1.4 fWAR (ranked 5th): Played 2 teams in playoff spots; Red Sox and Tampa
Positive fWAR contributors; Chatwood, Merryweather, Castro, Phelps, Mayza, Borucki and Romano

IL Stints: Yates, Chatwood, Borucki, Merryweather, Romano

Chatwood, Borucki and Romano were there for the minimum and came back.

May 6th to June 20th: -1.0 fWAR (ranked 30th) - 29th ranked team had -0.2 fWAR: Played 10 teams in a playoff spot
Positive fWAR contributors; Romano and Cole

IL Stints: Phelps, Dolis (X2), Borucki, Castro, Kay, Cole and Edwards Jr.

Everyone stayed on the IL except for Dolis who eventually had to go back.

Jays had 4 relievers from their opening day roster hurt. Plus they played the toughest competition here, almost everyone hurt and the pen in flux, it was a recipe for disaster. 6 relievers put on IL in this period, Spider Tack was outlawed and the Jays played 9 teams in playoff spots or were 3 games or less back.

June 21st to today: 0.6 fWAR (ranked 2nd): vs Baltimore, Miami and Seattle
Positive fWAR contributors; Romano, Mayza, Castro

IL Stints: none

Small sample size for sure but against easier opponents with no injuries.
 
Canada4Gold said:
You need a backup outfielder, you need a backup infielder, you need Joe Panik, so that only leaves 1.....WAIT, WE TRADED JOE PANIK?????!!!?!?????"
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I honestly wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn Montoya had no idea Panik had been traded until he didn't show up for today's practise, heh.
 
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stickty111 said:

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I guess they want the 2nd lefty in Saucedo. He's the only one I think I would have ahead of either. I figured Kay might go back down but I'm not sure if they plan on using him 1 more time with the Manoah suspenion. They don't need to, but I don't know their plans
 
Perhaps Matz won't be going full tonight? They might just use Matz and Kay both tonight, and then send Kay back down and bring one of Castro or Payamps back up?

I assume keeping Saucedo as they want lefties against this team specifically.
 
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Well, that sucks, but it's not like he was going to be called up tomorrow or anything.

Anyone else hate the flashing light thing they do when the Jays hit a home run? Couldn't they shoot off some fireworks instead? They don't even have to be fancy professional grade fireworks. A few common starbursts would do.
 
Lunatik said:
Gibby was entertaining and passionate, but his actual abilities were limited. The same complaints we have about Montoyo is exactly what we were complaining about with Gibby 5-6 years ago
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People will complain about every manager always. I think people VASTLY overstate some of Montoyo's negative moves, and that was the case with Gibby as well. But Montoyo also makes a lot of undeniably awful, indefensible moves that deserve criticism, and that wasn't the case with Gibby.
 
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