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Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey

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Fitzy said:
While NYR may not have the roster to make them a team favored for the cup, I do wonder why so many people think that NYR will be worse in 3-5 years. Most of the decent players on this team are between 24-28 years old.

If we assume that when Hank declines we are done for, then perhaps, but there is no guarantee of that. The gap between the top goalies and the rest of the bunch gets smaller and smaller every year.

You look at the NYR players around 29-32 right now and we aren't dependent on them at all.
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I think what separates a top goalie like Hank from the herd these days is consistency to be in top 5 every season. Even in decline he will give us more than half of his remaining seasons to give the Rangers a chance to pull off a deep play-off run.
 
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Think I'd go vesey , Hayes , Miller and have Miller take faceoffs

Play buch w Stepan and kreider since kreider speaks Russian

Zib w Nash and zucc could be great

Grabner , Lindberg , fast should be a good defensive line
 
There is this false narrative that just because Toronto and Buffalo have ton of prospects that they are guaranteed success in the future. Edmonton has had number one picks for years and still hasn't made the playoffs.
 
LeetchisGod said:
There is this false narrative that just because Toronto and Buffalo have ton of prospects that they are guaranteed success in the future. Edmonton has had number one picks for years and still hasn't made the playoffs.
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Look at front office of these two franchises (especially Toronto if I had to chose one between them).
 
When Vesey told Nashville he wasn't signing with them and that his intention was to go to free agency it was pretty clear to everyone what was going on. Buffalo took a chance on him---sending a third round pick back to Nashville but that didn't change Vesey's purpose to take it to free agency. Jimmy Vesey doesn't owe the Sabres a ****ing thing. Two teams making a deal for a player who didn't want to play for them and was going to free agency. For their draft pick they got his negotiating rights for a month and a half and that's all. They gambled---they lost.

I look at the Sabres as an up and coming team but they're not going anywhere special with Robin Lehner as their No. 1 and Linus Ullmark and/or Anders Nilsson as their backups. What's more between Jason Kasdorf, Jonas Johansson and Cal Peterson they don't have a No. 1 goalie prospect in their future either. So IMO it's a little bit early for them to be chest thumping. For the most part the core of their team when it comes to winning at the NHL level and in the NHL playoffs has a huge learning curve ahead of them. It's like they and a good portion of their fan base have already decided they're a good team and they haven't even started winning yet---haven't been in the playoffs in years. News to some of them---you're not a good team until you prove you are.
 
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eco's bones said:
When Vesey told Nashville he wasn't signing with them and that his intention was to go to free agency it was pretty clear to everyone what was going on. Buffalo took a chance on him---sending a third round pick back to Nashville but that didn't change Vesey's purpose to take it to free agency. Jimmy Vesey doesn't owe the Sabres a ****ing thing. Two teams making a deal for a player who didn't want to play for them and was going to free agency. For their draft pick they got his negotiating rights for a month and a half and that's all. They gambled---they lost.
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Exactly, if anything, the Sabres were pretty stupid to make that deal for Vesey's rights. If you've ever been to Buffalo, lets just say its not a destination anyone would pick when they have an upcoming choice to play anywhere.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Exactly, if anything, the Sabres were pretty stupid to make that deal for Vesey's rights. If you've ever been to Buffalo, lets just say its not a destination anyone would pick when they have an upcoming choice to play anywhere.
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I live upstate. Elmira isn't so hot either but a lot of upstate cities including Buffalo IMO ain't places I'd want to live. To me Buffalo is just a place along the road you pass on by if you're going to southern Ontario or Toronto.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
It's the 1 trade of the past few years that was flat out bad. I understand their reasoning, but it wasn't a good move.

However, the MSL and Yandle trades I make every time.
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The duke and MSL trades turned out even worse. The Duke trade being particularly awful even from the start. At least with MSL you could understand why they made it at the time. If you want to build a hockey team now AND for the future you never, ever make that mind numbingly dumb Duke trade. At the time if you look at the roster makeup and the projected roster makeup for the next year, the future cap, the skill level of the players involved, their ages, their contracts, the players we had coming up on hitting FA or our prospect pipeline. Just absolutely horrendous
 
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I don't really know why Vesey was so hyped with this signing, as he looks like a good prospect with a chance at being a goal scoring 2nd liner, but not exactly an elite player or something, but that's how these things go. That said, people crying about him going the UFA route and pulling the "who does this guy think he is? He isn't even a Lindros, to think that he should use what's allowed in the CBA to decide where he wants to play is absurd and he's a ridiculous *******!" is getting silly since it comes up every time now a player does it (and it's pretty rare anyways).

Hopefully he can push into a lineup spot for the Rangers and it also provides them some flexibility if they end up trading Nash.
 
Levitate said:
I don't really know why Vesey was so hyped with this signing, as he looks like a good prospect with a chance at being a goal scoring 2nd liner, but not exactly an elite player or something, but that's how these things go. That said, people crying about him going the UFA route and pulling the "who does this guy think he is? He isn't even a Lindros, to think that he should use what's allowed in the CBA to decide where he wants to play is absurd and he's a ridiculous *******!" is getting silly since it comes up every time now a player does it (and it's pretty rare anyways).

Hopefully he can push into a lineup spot for the Rangers and it also provides them some flexibility if they end up trading Nash.
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He got the hype because there's nothing else going on in the hockey world, and because Nashville didn't do anything at the trade deadline because they were ready to give him a top 6 spot right out of the gate
 
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