GDT: Jimmy Hayes Plays - New Jersey Devils at New York Rangers 7PM MSG+, MSG2

[Bleedred]

Why? If Kinkaid is that bad there's no reason to play him another game. I'm not trying to bust your chops, we traded Wedgewood, a completely competent backup goaltender, for a 5th round pick. If Kinkaid is THAT bad, then don't play him another game.

I'm not saying Kinkaid has been great this year, but I think he's been good enough to use on the back end when they play consecutive nights. That's like a base level use case for a backup goaltender. If you don't think he's good enough for that role, he's not good enough to keep on the roster.

No, he's not been good enough. You're talking about one of the worst goaltenders that's played this year. I'm not saying overall, that he's one of the worst in the league, but he's been one of the worst this year.

This is a team that had Martin Brodeur for over 20 years and there's members of it's fanbase that think Kinkaid this year has been good enough to use on the back end when we play consecutive nights? This is almost an insult to the fanbase of the team that Brodeur was the face of for so many years. Come on now, I really expect better than this goaltending and defending this goaltending.

Wedgewood isn't very good, he looks that much better right now because Kinkaid has been that much worse. Sadly, we probably don't have a goaltender better than him in the system right now, so we have to settle for this and hope when he gets in there (which should be rare going forward) that he can have a good game on two, even if it's on complete accident.

To make the playoffs, we might need 63-65 games from Cory, and he's only on pace to play 59 games this year.

 

[MadDevil]

So, this is the first two game stretch where we haven't earned a point this season. That's actually really good, when you think about.

I don't know, still feeling pretty optimistic about this year. Overall, our GM and even our coach have been relatively proactive about things. Even the best team in the league will lose two or three games in a row during a season. It happens.

The talent is there, the tempo isn't. That's easier to fix than the opposite.

Honestly, I kind of expected us to have a stretch like this eventually. The way we play, even when we're winning, is higher risk than in previous years. It doesn't take a lot for it to get ugly, especially when the mental errors start piling up like they have lately.

 

[Bleedred]

We've looked worse since the trade.

It's funny that you'll mention puck possession, yet overrate Henrique, who is NOT good at it.

Kind of reminds me of when you make up these weird reasons as to why a team loses, like ''Pete didn't get them ready to play the Flyers today, because he was more worried about having them ready to play us” when the Sharks played the Flyers last year the day before us and lost, despite outshooting them by quite a bit. How can you reference puck possession, then in the next sentence, act like Henrique is what we need?

 

[MadDevil]

We've looked worse since the trade.

Your constant second guessing hindsight act is beyond old.

 

[Devils Dominion]

No, he's not been good enough. You're talking about one of the worst goaltenders that's played this year. I'm not saying overall, that he's one of the worst in the league, but he's been one of the worst this year.

This is a team that had Martin Brodeur for over 20 years and there's members of it's fanbase that think Kinkaid this year has been good enough to use on the back end when we play consecutive nights? This is almost an insult to the fanbase of the team that Brodeur was the face of for so many years. Come on now, I really expect better than this goaltending and defending this goaltending.

Wedgewood isn't very good, he looks that much better right now because Kinkaid has been that much worse. Sadly, we probably don't have a goaltender better than him in the system right now, so we have to settle for this and hope when he gets in there (which should be rare going forward) that he can have a good game on two, even if it's on complete accident.

To make the playoffs, we might need 63-65 games from Cory, and he's only on pace to play 59 games this year.

Wedge is better than Kink but big picture we are struggling with 3 things.

Puck possession

Clearing the zone

Getting the puck deep

 

[AveryQuietMan]

And if anything, maybe we should start playing Kinkaid on the first half of a back to back, for the fact that the team might play a little better in the first half and Cory can clean up on the second half of back to back's, when the team lays an egg like tonight.

Because with the way he's playing this year, if you allow 30-40 shots, he's most likely allowing 4-5 goals.

not only that but you kind of take away any advantage of seeing a goalie a few days earlier if they sit cory last night. but the devils and rangers always play the game of back ups when they face each other. its like a badge of honour if one team starts their back up and the other plays their starter. it might be an ego thing.

 

[Blackjack]

I can justify playing him IF by some miracle, we beat the Kings and get TWO POINTS and then beat the Habs AND the Refs up there in Montreal and get another TWO POINTS. He can then play against Dallas.

But if we get anything less than 4, we stick with Cory.

I don't understand this reasoning. Either Kinkaid is an NHL caliber goaltender that gives the team a reasonable shot to win a game, or he isn't. If you can't trust your backup goaltender to give your starter a rest when you're playing the third game in four nights, he doesn't belong on your team.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Your constant second guessing hindsight act is beyond old.

I point out facts.

I didn't second guess when we were playing good hockey.

 

[Bleedred]

Wedge is better than Kink but big picture we are struggling with 3 things.

Puck possession

Clearing the zone

Getting the puck deep

No offense DD, I value your opinions, but not so much on goaltending. You tried to convince me that Hammond was a late bloomer and not really a fluke, Mrazek was a stud and that Ray Emery was good circa 2014. If management saw your posts and saw your backing of Wedgewood, that might have taken that into consideration when trading them and I’m dead serious.

 

[MadDevil]

I can justify playing him IF by some miracle, we beat the Kings and get TWO POINTS and then beat the Habs AND the Refs up there in Montreal and get another TWO POINTS. He can then play against Dallas.

But if we get anything less than 4, we stick with Cory.

Fine, so if we play Cory 3 times in 4 days and get lit up against Dallas, I don't want to hear anything about goaltending.

 

[Bleedred]

I point out facts.

I didn't second guess when we were playing good hockey.

But you did predict the Rangers to finish 15 points (might be slightly off on that figure) higher than us this year, about a month back? I don’t remember if we were playing good hockey or not (I don’t think any Hynes hockey is ever good hockey) but we were probably higher up than we currently are.

 

[Devils Dominion]

No offense DD, I value your opinions, but not so much on goaltending. You tried to convince me that Hammond was a late bloomer and not really a fluke, Mrazek was a stud and that Ray Emery was good circa 2014. If management saw your posts and saw your backing of Wedgewood, that might have taken that into consideration when trading them and I’m dead serious.

Oh please stop with that my friend Bleed.
You know I bust you with the goalies you shred and do Schtick

For real, Wedge > Kink

 

[AveryQuietMan]

I can justify playing him IF by some miracle, we beat the Kings and get TWO POINTS and then beat the Habs AND the Refs up there in Montreal and get another TWO POINTS. He can then play against Dallas.

But if we get anything less than 4, we stick with Cory.

did someone say miracle???

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[Emperoreddy]

Honestly, I kind of expected us to have a stretch like this eventually. The way we play, even when we're winning, is higher risk than in previous years. It doesn't take a lot for it to get ugly, especially when the mental errors start piling up like they have lately.

I mean every team has rough stretches. We were due for one.

 

[Bleedred]

Fine, so if we play Cory 3 times in 4 days and get lit up against Dallas, I don't want to hear anything about goaltending.

Fine.

Cory’s worse this year is about on par with Kinkaid’s usual play this year.

If we have to split starts, I think you might wanna think about playing Kinkaid on the first half of the back to back. That way, maybe he has a lesser chance of facing 40 or getting a tired team in front of him. Because 30-40 shots against him, has been translating to 4-5 goals on most night’s this year.

 

[MadDevil]

I point out facts.

I didn't second guess when we were playing good hockey.

Bullshit. You constantly second guess draft picks and/or trades. You've been on this Wedge/Kinkaid thing for seemingly ever. Then you act all innocent when somebody calls you on it.

 

[Blackjack]

Fine.

Cory’s worse this year is about on par with Kinkaid’s usual play this year.

If we have to split starts, I think you might wanna think about playing Kinkaid on the first half of the back to back. That way, maybe he has a lesser chance of facing 40 or getting a tired team in front of him. Because 30-40 shots against him, has been translating to 4-5 goals on most night’s this year.

Yeah, especially when a good chunk of those shots are coming from the slot with no defenseman nearby.

 

[Bleedred]

Oh please stop with that my friend Bleed.
You know I bust you with the goalies you shred and do Schtick

For real, Wedge > Kink

This year? Okay, definitely he’s been better. But that is more of an indictment on how poor Kinkaid has played, than a credit to Wedgewood.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Bull****. You constantly second guess draft picks and/or trades. You've been on this Wedge/Kinkaid thing for seemingly ever. Then you act all innocent when somebody calls you on it.

Wedge is better than Kink.

Conte blew for a decade, fact.
I'd take Barzal right about now.

Take off the North Dakota blinders.

We had a great start but have played weak of late, and miserably tonight.

 

[MadDevil]

Wedge is better than Kink.

Conte blew for a decade, fact.
I'd take Barzal right about now.

Take off the North Dakota blinders.

We had a great start but have played weak of late, and miserably tonight.

My North Dakota blinders? What the f*** does that even mean?

 

[glenwo2]

No, he's not been good enough. You're talking about one of the worst goaltenders that's played this year. I'm not saying overall, that he's one of the worst in the league, but he's been one of the worst this year.

This is a team that had Martin Brodeur for over 20 years and there's members of it's fanbase that think Kinkaid this year has been good enough to use on the back end when we play consecutive nights? This is almost an insult to the fanbase of the team that Brodeur was the face of for so many years. Come on now, I really expect better than this goaltending and defending this goaltending.

Wedgewood isn't very good, he looks that much better right now because Kinkaid has been that much worse. Sadly, we probably don't have a goaltender better than him in the system right now, so we have to settle for this and hope when he gets in there (which should be rare going forward) that he can have a good game on two, even if it's on complete accident.

To make the playoffs, we might need 63-65 games from Cory, and he's only on pace to play 59 games this year.

The bolded is what bothers me about Hynes. It's like he's playing Cory and Kinky as if we were at the bottom of the standings with BuffaLOL or something and not in a playoff race.

There's no "might need 63-65 games from Cory", Bleed. The Devils NEED 63-65 games from Cory 'cause Kinky is not really all that reliable at this point to play more than he should.

 

[Blackjack]

Really this is all your guys' fault for letting me do the GDT. FFS, you should have known better.

 

[MadDevil]

Really this is all your guys' fault for letting me do the GDT. FFS, you should have known better.

You are banned from ever making another GDT again.

 

[glenwo2]

Fine, so if we play Cory 3 times in 4 days and get lit up against Dallas, I don't want to hear anything about goaltending.

Done. You won't hear a peep out of me. You can even quote me on this.

But that's ONLY if the Devils get 4 points these next two games.....AND Kinky gets the start against Dallas.

 

[glenwo2]

Really this is all your guys' fault for letting me do the GDT. FFS, you should have known better.

Maybe if you had a different avy?