Bmessy
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Using Hayes last season as a comparison I definitely have been pleased with his game so far. He's been driving the net hard and on the surface it looks like hes putting in more effort. Hopefully the pts will follow.
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ODAAT
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let`s hope, I too have less complaints about his game but at the end of the day, can you continue to roll him out without any offensive contributions?
BruinDust
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He's at 20 consecutive now without a single point.
How many does he go without contributing any offense before they pull the plug and send Jimmy to the pressbox?
25?
30?
35?
40?
ODAAT
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I hear ya, not sure Beleskey isn`t in the same boat, with him, effort is never a question but when there`s nothing but donut holes being put up, something needs to give
BruinDust
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Belesky is pointless in 8 straight now. He did have a couple 2 pts games late last season, preceded by a scoreless run of 13 in a row.
Pretty much ever since last year's trade deadline the 3rd line of some combination Belesky-Hayes-Spooner/Nash have been essentially massive black holes offensively for this team.
A combined 4 goals, 10 assists, over the course of 66 man-games between those 4 dating back to 02-28-2016 of last year.
Hard to win long-term with a 3rd line/secondary scoring generating very little offense. Those are 4th line numbers over the same amount of man-games.
Everyone loves ******** on Hayes but he's been 20x better this year than last. If he keeps it up he'll get some points. I'm pretty positive his whole line is pointless this year, they all need to contribute some points still, but have all looked decent
Oates2Neely
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I see an improved Hayes. He's working hard, the points will come if he continues his solid play. I'm curious how he'd look with Bergeron and Marchand. Allowing a Beleskey-Spooner-Pastrnak 3rd line
ap3lovr
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Hayes only got 9 minutes of ice-time last night, reading the tea leaves, I would say that he's gone when Vatrano comes back. Even though I don't think he's been bad this season.
BruinDust
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I could be mistaken but he might be the only forward now that has zero special teams duty. Which is going to hurt his TOI in comparison to the rest of the group.
I would've put him on the 4th line, but that line looks too good to break up right now.
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Why would you put someone who is pointless in 20 games with Bergeron and Marchand?
Im not sure there is anyone on the team who would produce with Nash and Beleskey as their linemates. I don't think they'd be great with Spooner. For now I am OK with a big guy skating hard on that line but its definitely a weakness and something we should look to improve. Beleskey-Spooner-Vatrano with Hayes as #13 forward is what I do when everyone is back. Hayes isn't paid like a superstar so I can't demand points from him just to work hard. The game is moving away from bigger/slower players but when it 'clicks' for big guys they can be dominant with that extra size. Wheeler looked excellent when we played Winnipeg. I can see why we took a shot on this guy.
So long as they don't get scored on in their 10 minutes of icetime I'll be cool and won't demand Spooner play instead.
BruinDust
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Blake Wheeler is 10x the skater Jimmy Hayes is. And far more skilled to boot.
I look at Hayes and Belesky in the same light in terms of neither is good at creating or generating their own scoring chances. Guys like that to me usually need to play with two line-mates more skill than themselves to get much production out of them.
It's no coincidence Belesky was scoring at a decent clip with Krejci and one of Eriksson/Pastrnak as his line-mates.
Hayes has typically had since he became a Bruin only one guy on his line more skilled than him, that being Spooner, who hasn't been a good fit for Hayes for a bunch of reasons I won't list out.
Don't mean to add more insult, but it was so obvious watching him skate that he's not up to par with his up tempo teammates. He's got to add some offense to keep his roster spot when Vatrano returns.
Honestly have zero complaints about Hayes so far this year. He looks more engaged, physical, he's even mixing it up in scrums. Production is an issue for everyone not named Pastrnak or Marchand so far, so I have a hard time faulting a 3rd liner for not producing on a 3rd line that as a whole hasn't produced anything, at least any more than Beleskey, Czarnik, Nash, Krejci, Spooner, Heinen etc.
Mpasta
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Hayes had 9 points in October last year so maybe we should wait before we say he's been 20x better.
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How come Hayes gets this special treatment and Koko was not? The knock on koko was he wasn't producing. This is my biggest complaint with clode. He isn't consistent in his coaching. Very frustrating to say the least. I've had it with Hayes. He was booed for his introduction last night for a reason. He hasn't produces and is only hurting his line mates. Grrrrr
I'm sorry. I don't understand this. Why would Hayes be put on a line with Marchand and Bergeron? He can't keep up with Beleskey and Nash (or whoever gets put on that line) and you want to see him with Marchand and Bergeron. Hayes is just not very good. I can't believe I was happy when they traded for him. He doesn't win any puck battles and gets pushed off the puck so easily for a big guy. He is the weak link of the 3rd line. I would much rather see Spooner playing than Hayes and don't understand why that is not happening.
BruinDust
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The knock on Koko wasn't that he wasn't producing.
He wasn't doing anything.
A little as Hayes does he's still doing more than Koko did.
Sheppy
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Hayes has looked ok to me. He's playing with a bit of an edge. He's crashing the crease, getting his hands dirty a bit. I'm not the biggest fan of his but i like what he's doing so far.
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For sure, he needs to keep it simple, you can tell when he is pushing it too much, making crazy runs at guys and missing all together.
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what line is he on, nash and belesky? not saying hayes deserves to be in a top 6 role, he doesn't. he's a 3rd liner in this league. but a line of those three guys is not gonna put up points even if hayes is at the top of his game (i'm sure he'll take the blame for it though).
what line is he on, nash and belesky? not saying hayes deserves to be in a top 6 role, he doesn't. he's a 3rd liner in this league. but a line of those three guys is not gonna put up points even if hayes is at the top of his game (i'm sure he'll take the blame for it though).
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