Player Discussion Jimmy Hayes II

[disfigured]

I know a lot of people here hate rinaldo and despise the trade that brought him here but honestly at this point, bring him up, serve his suspension and put him in on that 4th line instead of hayes. rinaldo is quicker, tougher, meaner and can probably pot a goal or two. I'd even take rinaldo right now over riles nash.

Schaller-moore-rinaldo

I 100% agree with you.

I'll second that motion.

If Renaldo didn't do the most egregious of things that he eventually does, I don't think there's many fans who would not prefer him in the line up. If Hayes can be one of Claude's reclamation projects, I don't see why Rinaldo can't . As soon as he starts hurting the team he's usually suspended anyway. So scratching him doesn't become a point of contention. It's almost a no brainer if this slide continues.

Not to mention at least something might happen when Zack plays. Unlike the present team who's either managing the puck to the point where we manage to loose, or are playing so mechanically sound that neither team can produce something that resembles NHL hockey, never mind generic entertainment. Usually resulting in a loss anyway.

But Claude (IMO) lives vicariously through these types of players.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

He doesn't make a ton of mistakes and that is why he plays on a Claude team. It's been Juliens MO for years. He rather you get no points than try to do something creative and cost a goal

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

 

[Blowfish]

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

And this is why veseys dad said no way under this coaching system. Vesey must be very grateful for taking his time and listening to his dad.

 

[BruinDust]

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

Well said.

I'm not sure about the rest of the fan-base, but I'm getting tired of watching a squad comprised of an army of players who treat the puck like a hand grenade, and prefer to play Red Rover when they don't have it.

Except the part about gambling and losing the puck.

That only applies to certain guys. Spooner, Morrow, Colin, etc.

I said this in the Post-game thread, if Spooner made that no-look high risk pass that Krejci did last night on the 3rd goal, he'd be sitting tonight vs. Calgary.

Krejci (and other veterans, not just star veterans) are immune to this sort of treatment.

 

[NDiesel]

I was going to provide a Jimmy Hayes futility update, US Thanksgiving edition, but I'll piggy-back off yours.

34 consecutive NHL games now without a point.

57 consecutive shots on goal without a point

And get this one.

He hasn't been a +1 or better in ANY game this season, and hasn't been a +1 or better in 35 consecutive games now.

How is that even possible?

THAT is mind-blowingly bad

 

[TheBigBadB]

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

Borg up

 

[Sheppy]

I know a lot of people here hate rinaldo and despise the trade that brought him here but honestly at this point, bring him up, serve his suspension and put him in on that 4th line instead of hayes. rinaldo is quicker, tougher, meaner and can probably pot a goal or two. I'd even take rinaldo right now over riles nash.

Schaller-moore-rinaldo

Rinaldo hits too hard, he's not allowed on this team. He provides too much nasty, which is not allowed anymore because that was once the solid makeup of this team. Ever since they started moving away from their style they haven't been a playoff team.

Honestly, I'm completely fine with him or Randell getting a shot. He had the best +/- on the 4th line... the second best +/-? Zac Rinaldo.

Tyler Randell - 29 games, 6 goals
Joonas Kemppainen - 44 games, 2 goals
Max Talbot - 38 games, 2 goals
Landon Ferraro - 58 games, 5 goals

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Did Randell do something to upset Claude last year? Taking dumb penalties perhaps? I find it very strange that he can't get a look in - he hits and fights. Even if he doesn't score, he's offering far more than Jimbo.

 

[Sheppy]

Did Randell do something to upset Claude last year? Taking dumb penalties perhaps? I find it very strange that he can't get a look in - he hits and fights. Even if he doesn't score, he's offering far more than Jimbo.

He probably had a turnover in the first period of a game the Bruins won 4-2, so naturally, he doesn't get a chance.

 

[BruinDust]

Did Randell do something to upset Claude last year? Taking dumb penalties perhaps? I find it very strange that he can't get a look in - he hits and fights. Even if he doesn't score, he's offering far more than Jimbo.

I remember him coasting along at the end of a win in Minnesota, he was on the ice for a late goal against in a 4-2 Bruins win. He had been playing well up to that point, had scored a goal a couple nights earlier.

That was on Feb. 13. He only played 4 games in two months after that.

Julien didn't trust him defensively. That's pretty much the story on Randell. And he didn't produce enough for Julien to justify putting a guy in his line-up he didn't trust defensively.

Whether we like Hayes or not, Julien does have some trust in him defensively. Enough for Julien to be able to look past him not being able to register a single point in 34 consecutive NHL games.

 

[NDiesel]

Did Randell do something to upset Claude last year? Taking dumb penalties perhaps? I find it very strange that he can't get a look in - he hits and fights. Even if he doesn't score, he's offering far more than Jimbo.

Everyone gets tricked by his stats. He did absolutely nothing besides score a few goals at an insane shooting percentage when he was here. He hits like Shawn Thornton (not very good for his role) and is a poor skater.

I guess if your argument is he deserves to be in over Hayes, then that's fine, but he shouldn't be in any NHL lineup.

 

[Sheppy]

Everyone gets tricked by his stats. He did absolutely nothing besides score a few goals at an insane shooting percentage when he was here. He hits like Shawn Thornton (not very good for his role) and is a poor skater.

I guess if your argument is he deserves to be in over Hayes, then that's fine, but he shouldn't be in any NHL lineup.

I do agree about his skating, but i actually liked his shooting. He has a heavy slap shot and you can tell that the guy has good power.

I just wish the Bruins had a guy that plays in a bottom 6 role that would hit/stir the pot. If they're going to lose games, make them entertaining.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Hayes is so slow and afraid to hit.

 

[Estlin]

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

Spot on.

I'm not sure about the rest of the fan-base, but I'm getting tired of watching a squad comprised of an army of players who treat the puck like a hand grenade, and prefer to play Red Rover when they don't have it.

Except the part about gambling and losing the puck.

That only applies to certain guys. Spooner, Morrow, Colin, etc.

I said this in the Post-game thread, if Spooner made that no-look high risk pass that Krejci did last night on the 3rd goal, he'd be sitting tonight vs. Calgary.

Krejci (and other veterans, not just star veterans) are immune to this sort of treatment.

Agreed. I mentioned it elsewhere but I look forward to the post-Julien era in Boston.

Elsewhere, I can't believe that some folks are floating the idea of bringing up Rinaldo to replace Hayes. As mediocre as Hayes has been, Rinaldo is trash. The sooner he is out of the Bruins organization, and out of professional hockey, the better.

 

[Sheppy]

I bet Rinaldo would have had at least 2 points by now to tie Tuukka Rask.

 

[NDiesel]

I bet Rinaldo would have had at least 2 points by now to tie Tuukka Rask.

He had 52 games with only 3 points last time he played in the NHL, so I'm not quite sure why you'd think that.

 

[Sheppy]

He had 52 games with only 3 points last time he played in the NHL, so I'm not quite sure why you'd think that.

Ok, he would probably have one point right now.

 

[ap3lovr]

Hayes has to be waived, at this point the wrong message is being sent to our players and our prospects. That once you get a multi-year deal, your job is safe and you can get away with not performing. Sending him down, shows the players on the roster right now that they need to wake up and start producing.

This is on our GM, and he is handling this situation very poorly. I don't care if we don't have a replacement, give a kid a shot. Trade for a perimeter player. Claim someone off of waivers. Just do something, make a change, make a point of making that change. Let everyone in the org know that they need to work to get a spot, and to keep it.

 

[Fonzerelli]

That is perfectly said, thanks. If you gamble and lose the puck you are benched and fans get on your case. Krug, Chiller, Marchand and Pasta but they are the ones trying to do things out there. We have to reward the hot potato guys, dump no chase back up no one get hurt or run with scissors hockey, soccer on ice. Czarnik and Spooner look neutered out there now, they was exciting when he came up but now playing way to safe. Kelly is the poster boy for Julien and his style, it is the way Claude played, he was basically Kevan on dee. This is who he identifies with and understands. Anyone else needs to borg up and conform or sit. Hayes is doing exactly that and will be Caron from now on

Reading your post reminds me of Larionov's piece in the Players Tribune
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracle-on-ice-hockey-russia/

It’s easier to destroy than to create. As a coach, it’s easier to tell your players to suffocate the opposing team and not turn the puck over. There are still players whose imagination and creativity capture the Soviet spirit — Johnny Gaudreau in Calgary, Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews in Chicago just to name a few. However, they are becoming exceptions to the rule. Many young players who are intelligent and can see the game four moves ahead are not valued. They’re told “simple, simple, simple.â€

That mentality is kind of boring. Nobody wants to get fired. Nobody wants to get sent down to the minors. If you look at the coaches in Juniors and minor league hockey, many of them were not skill players. It’s a lot of former enforcers and grinders who take these coaching jobs. Naturally, they tell their players to be just like them. Their players are 17, 18 years old — younger than I was when I joined the Red Army team. Say what you want about the Whiplash mentality (or the Soviet mentality), but if coaches are going to push kids at that age, why are they pushing them to play a simple game? Why aren’t coaches pushing them to create a masterpiece?

We lose a lot of Pavel Datsyuks to the closed-minded nature of the AHL and NHL.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Hayes has to be waived, at this point the wrong message is being sent to our players and our prospects.

Yes exactly. That's my biggest concern. Planting seeds like this grows a bad culture

 

[Over the volcano]

Spot on.



Agreed. I mentioned it elsewhere but I look forward to the post-Julien era in Boston.

Elsewhere, I can't believe that some folks are floating the idea of bringing up Rinaldo to replace Hayes. As mediocre as Hayes has been, Rinaldo is trash. The sooner he is out of the Bruins organization, and out of professional hockey, the better.

Rinaldo serving his suspension would have been as productive as Hayes.

I'm pulling for Jimmy, he needs a reset in a major way

 

[BNHL]

Reading your post reminds me of Larionov's piece in the Players Tribune
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracle-on-ice-hockey-russia/

Absolutely. I'm inclined to start a league where players are encouraged to have fun,create,and play with the puck with no fear of reprisal for mistakes. Hot potato,safe hockey sucks and it is boring as hell.

 

[Sheppy]

Rinaldo serving his suspension would have been as productive as Hayes.

I'm pulling for Jimmy, he needs a reset in a major way

Actually, you could make the argument that Rinaldo serving his suspension would have better statistics because he isn't -14045.

Honestly, all joking aside... as hilarious as it is to harp on Jimmy, i hope he breaks out of this funk in a big way.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Please trade him.

Is there a market for the worst forward in hockey?

 

[Gordoff]

I know a lot of people here hate rinaldo and despise the trade that brought him here but honestly at this point, bring him up, serve his suspension and put him in on that 4th line instead of hayes. rinaldo is quicker, tougher, meaner and can probably pot a goal or two. I'd even take rinaldo right now over riles nash.

Schaller-moore-rinaldo

Me too. Cam, Donny, and Claude are going to watch another season go down the drain, and then what?

Hayes hasn't had a point going back 34 games, a goal Feb 24th against Pittsburgh. In that time he is a -17. Yet a rookie gets called up makes a mistake and is banished to the AHL never to be heard from again. Clode.

Welp, at least he's consistent!

I was going to provide a Jimmy Hayes futility update, US Thanksgiving edition, but I'll piggy-back off yours.

34 consecutive NHL games now without a point.

57 consecutive shots on goal without a point

And get this one.

He hasn't been a +1 or better in ANY game this season, and hasn't been a +1 or better in 35 consecutive games now.

How is that even possible?

It's called Jimmy Hayes.

Actually, you could make the argument that Rinaldo serving his suspension would have better statistics because he isn't -14045.

Honestly, all joking aside... as hilarious as it is to harp on Jimmy, i hope he breaks out of this funk in a big way.

Well, you can **** in one hand and hope in the other and see which gets filled first.