Post-Game Talk: Jets vs. Oilers | MTS Centre | Tues, Sep 17, 7pm

Mud Turtle

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Twas a scary finish there but I'm not drawing too many conclusions from a pre-season game where our top line and 2 of 3 top D men aren't playing.

Really...uummmmmm...REALLY hope Kaner isn't hurt already.

I missed most of the game after Kane went off the ice with what they said was a skate problem. Did he come back after that? REALLY hoping it's not his foot again. That would be devastating for the Jets!
 

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Just got back from the game and here are my thoughts (LOL:yo:)


-Schiefele played a good game.......... U could see that he was anticipating the play and was putting himself in a position to score (like an elite scorer). Looked stronger and faster than last year.

- Trouba- impressed me with his first pass and with his poise with the puck in his own end. I was expecting to see Trouba be big and strong defensively with a big shot on the PP with good offensive skills. I saw signs last night that he could be a lot more.

-Frolik- excellent pickup. He played with speed and was oportunistic offensively and solid defensively and on the PK.

-Buff looked lazy and gassed. I just think he has the Pre-season what evers. There were glimpses of Buff being able to excel and take over.

-Tealgin-left me wanting more........in a good way. I see alot of potential in Tealgin, if he can get past his bad injury luck. He showed some good speed and made some good decisions with the puck on his stick.

- Odell made some things happen offensively. Seems like he is almost there.

- Tangradi played a good game. Played with more confidene than last year.

- Wright left me wanting more....in a bad way. Wright was a fav of mine last year as he was allways balls to the wall playing at full speed all the time. I did not see any urgency in his game last night. I hope Wright does not get complacent with just being on the team, if so he will be on the waiver wire again.

-Clitsome seemed solid.
 

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Don't disagree Olli could play a role, but IMO he should be kept away from Kane. He always seems to bring Kane to a stand still. Kane is at his best when he is flying up the ice.

Yes, and as opposed to the KSS line the other night, last night Kane would fly into the O zone and be alone again with no center to make a play with. Jokinen simply cannot keep up with Kane (and probably Seto) or decide when to attempt to rush. It was day and night with Sheif and Joker.
 

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Of course Buff is better with Toby than Clitty. He is a much better player. Buff and Toby have some nice #'s on their side but the sample size of Toby - Bogo is so small IMO it really is not fair to compare the two. Looking at it from the perspective of what could be tried to help push the Jets to the next level, then Clitsome-Buff and Toby-Bogo pairings offer a lot of potential. IMO you just might be able to maximize each players potential over time.

I see it similarly to the Scheifele-Olli debate. As a vet Olli brings some things to the plate playing with Kane-Seto and you know what you have, but Scheifele offers the potential to bring the line and Kane's game to the next level.

IMO the team needs to move past comfortable and safe and look at ways to maximize potential even if there are some growing pains along the way.

I agree wholeheartedly with the bold section (actually the whole post). We have some great young players in our stable now and we have to start depending on them. Case in point, while they may be pretty similar in their effectiveness today (or maybe a year ago) Scheifele is on an upswing and Jokinen is on a downswing. Please, lets ride the upswing and get this change in team dynamics moving.
 

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Wow, talking to myself on this thread for the past half hour. LOL.

Another observation. With the online stream I was watching last night, I saw who I thought was Buff flying down the right side making all of these great moves for a big body to get into the O zone...... turned out to be Peluso! Man, the guy can certainly skate when he wants to.
 

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Tanger, Frolik, Klingberg, Scheif, Postma (most of the game), Trouba ( most of the game), Peluso

All really strong games. A few guys were ok as well. Seto, Clitsome, etc

Buff, and Joker were rusty, first games back though. Buff just did not look interested in pre season play.

All in favour of KSS back together?? Lets just hope Frolik can continue good play with Joker.

I missed most of the game except for the last 5 minutes. Haven't seen much mention of Klingberg besides this in the thread so i thought i'd ask, how'd he look?

I see he got a goal, but was he really noticeable at all elsewise? I'd kind of written him off after what was coming out of st johns last year, would be interesting to know if he'd shaped up at all.

Having him and Telegin have big bounce back campaigns this year would be fantastic for our depth.
 

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That was my fiancee's first time at a hockey game. She didn't totally hate it, so maybe there's some hope. :laugh:

We had Oilers fans behind us that commented on literally everything. At one point during intermission the woman was telling everyone how society was terrible these days because everyone was on their phones. Ughhhhhhhh
 

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I missed most of the game except for the last 5 minutes. Haven't seen much mention of Klingberg besides this in the thread so i thought i'd ask, how'd he look?

I see he got a goal, but was he really noticeable at all elsewise? I'd kind of written him off after what was coming out of st johns last year, would be interesting to know if he'd shaped up at all.

Having him and Telegin have big bounce back campaigns this year would be fantastic for our depth.

I am still very bullish on Klingberg. The physical skills are there, but he can't shoot and he seeming refuses to be a mucker. Hopefully he can figure things out, but he is way down my prospect rankings and I am not sure he'll get another deal as a Jet.
 

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So which line ends up being our second line if Olli is put between Setoguchi and Kane?

Kane - Jokinen - Setoguchi

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Frolik - Scheifele - Halischuk

Honestly, I like Olli and think he can fit and do a good job but on the third line which would give us a lower speed option but one that is still capable of handling decent minutes and is able to put the puck in the net.

I was at last night's game and you could feel the frustration coming off Kane as he entered the zone, maybe with Seto, but usually alone. Olli came in trailing a couple of times and Kane wouldn't make that pass. I didn't see that during the Hockeyville game - Kane was almost pass happy that night in comparison.

I appreciate Olli is a veteran and that was hardly a veteran Oilers lineup so maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves with the Scheifele adoration (Caps lineup was heavier) but how do you not see, as an NHL coach, the chemistry that was there for KSS? Because if you see it as a KJS line instead of KSS I think you're wasting the speed and potential. Kane will still get his points, mostly on his own. But I think Scheifele ends up centering what might be a higher scoring line overall with Frolik and Halischuk.
 

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Peluso also made a very good play when he had to cover for a defenseman who pinched in the o-zone. Looked pretty comfortable doing it, for a forward. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he play some D when he was younger?

I think Thorburn's time here is up.

If I am not mistaken, Peluso used to play defence back in his teen years...thought I read that somewhere whilst searching for stuff on the guy when we first picked him up.
 

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That was my fiancee's first time at a hockey game. She didn't totally hate it, so maybe there's some hope. :laugh:

We had Oilers fans behind us that commented on literally everything. At one point during intermission the woman was telling everyone how society was terrible these days because everyone was on their phones. Ughhhhhhhh

Yes, THAT'S the problem with society today... :sarcasm:

The real problem is that it was like going to a Sens game in Ottawa at MTSC last night. People were bailing for the exits at the 10:00 mark of the 3rd. That really burns me. Even if we're down by 10 goals, I don't leave my seat until the final whistle.

As for Oiler fans in general, they were my favorite team in the West during the Jets interregnum so maybe I give them a bit of a pass...but I find them to be pretty decent as far as opposing fans go. I still loathe to see people cheer opposition goals in our house, but Oilers fans are much more tolerable than, oh, I dunno, say...Leafs fans. :)
 

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I woke up wondering why I am so much more relaxed about Scheifele's plight today and I think I have the answer.

Mark's first preseason after the draft and last season I was always thinking Scheif needed the right line combination to bring the best out of him and let him shine. you know........"Common Claude just set the kid up for success" Those feelings were probably a bye product of Mark not quite being physically there yet and so he "needed" to be in the top 6 or around scorers so the best parts of his game could shine and his deficiencies (strength, balance etc) would be covered up.

Watching him this camp and into the preseason it’s just different now. I am now looking at a young man who we can slot into the 2nd or 3rd line and he will be just fine. His body is now big enough.....he will still fall but his balance is now good enough.......He has grown and matured as a 200 foot player and he is just flat out ready now. I know that whether it’s with KSS on the 2nd unit or with Frolik on the 3rd line Mark will do well. His body and game will now allow more options for the coach and his time has come. It wasn't a blown draft pick and my faith, optimism, and homer goggles are no longer required elements when defending him, they are now optional since Mark's NHL results will start doing the talking.

Like all our players Scheif will have his ups and downs but baking him in the OHL oven for 2 extra seasons (although painful for the ADD crowd) was exactly what the doctor ordered.

That was an investment and now its time for the payoff.
 

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A better game to watch the first two.. Still a little sloppy, but it's getting better.

I have similar thoughts to many, but here are mine:

Kane - OJ - Seto: Kane has looked very good in pre season. This could be a very nice year for him. Seto didn't really stand out to me much last night. Olli was ok. I don't know what Lawless and Noel are seeing, but I don't see how Kane (and Seto's) game mesh with Olli's. Olli simply doesn't look like he can keep up with those 2 offensively.

Wright - Scheifele - Frolik: Frolik is looking like a very nice pickup. It's ridiculous to think about replacing Mittens and Wellwood with Frolik and Halischuck. Massive upgrades IMO, especially in regards to tenacity, physicallity, etc. I loved Wright's work ethic last year, but agree with others that his offensive game is not there. They quoted him as saying he wanted to be top 9, I don't know if I would have him in my starting 12 right now. Scheifele started slow, but had another solid game I thought. I posted before the game that it would be interesting to see how Scheifele looked with two "lesser" offensive talent. The mark of great players (centres, quarterbacks in football, etc), is the ability to make others better. Pretty interesting to me that Scheifele's line was a bigger offensive threat that Olli's line, despite the fact that Olli had the "better" wingers.

Tangs - O'Dell - Klingberg: Tangradi had a pretty decent night. Couple of assists and some decent forechecking I thought. Didn't see a tonne out of O'Dell. Klingberg had a goal and was better than I was expecting considering the word from Ice Caps fans.

Telegin - Slater - Peluso: Slater is the 4th line C on this team and I don't really think that is something the team is even thinking about changing. He didn't have a great game (not bad though), but he is also coming off an injury and didn't play much last year. I'm not too worried about him. Someone earlier said that Telegin left him wanting more (in a good way). Those are my thoughts as well. Might be a little shy to mix it up and get dirty right now, but you can see there are some serious tools there. This could be a very important year for him in St.Johns. I could see him back here as soon as next year if he develops. Even before Peluso scored, my thoughts were that the team has to find a way to have this guy on the 4th line, or as the 13th forward who plays more often than not. He is not looking like a "goon". He can skate, and looked pretty decent on the boards and on the cycle. I think we are going to need him against teams like LA, and other physical teams in the West, and I think he would be an asset in the playoffs.

On the D side, Clitsome and Buff looked pretty good. I would say that Buff was going at 75% at best, which is ok considering it was his first game.

Trouba and Melchiori looked ok out there. Trouba seemed to have a better game than in Bellville. Still early, but I'm starting to come to the conclusion that while I think Trouba could easily handle being a bottom pair guy in the NHL this season, I think it might be best for his overall game to spend a year in St. Johns playing 25 minutes a night and getting stronger. Trouba is a player that uses physicality in his game, and I think it would only help him to get stronger. He won't be able to do the things to NHL players that he probably could in the NCAA.

Stuart and Postma didn't look all that good to me. Postma looked good when skating with the puck, but I agree with Bob E, his defensive zone awareness is still not there. Stuart is one of those guys that I love, because he plays with his heart on his sleeve and will backup his teammates, but his overall skill level is just not there, and it's not a good thing that he struggles to get the puck out, or make a breakout pass against the Oilers D squad.
 

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Wright - Scheifele - Frolik: The mark of great players (centres, quarterbacks in football, etc), is the ability to make others better. Pretty interesting to me that Scheifele's line was a bigger offensive threat that Olli's line, despite the fact that Olli had the "better" wingers.

This. So much.
 

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Peluso can play - extremely nice play as a defenseman against a dangerous Gagner. Skates very well, has a quick release. Probably never a top-9 player, but if you made the playoffs - you see what guys like King, Nolan and Lewis were able to do for LA a couple of years ago. Definitely a 4th line NHL regular for me.

With apologies to Holden, I think we are going to be "just fine" with Grant Clitsome. His play over the last 1/2 of the shortened season during a playoff run seemed to me that he is comfortable with a bigger role. I know it is pre-season, but he looked the "least panicked" of any d-man on either team to me last night.

O'Dell looks to me like a guy that is destined to get caught in a numbers game. Not a top-6 NHLer, and doesn't bring enough grit, speed or energy to be on the bottom-6...too bad, the kid definitely has skill.
 

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I am still very bullish on Klingberg. The physical skills are there, but he can't shoot and he seeming refuses to be a mucker. Hopefully he can figure things out, but he is way down my prospect rankings and I am not sure he'll get another deal as a Jet.

Yah, he's way down my list now. He was my "pet prospect" the first year and dissapointed after his hot start. I"d like to see him redeem himself but I figure unless he takes a pretty massive step forward this year he's done.
 

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So which line ends up being our second line if Olli is put between Setoguchi and Kane?

Kane - Jokinen - Setoguchi

or

Frolik - Scheifele - Halischuk

Honestly, I like Olli and think he can fit and do a good job but on the third line which would give us a lower speed option but one that is still capable of handling decent minutes and is able to put the puck in the net.

I was at last night's game and you could feel the frustration coming off Kane as he entered the zone, maybe with Seto, but usually alone. Olli came in trailing a couple of times and Kane wouldn't make that pass. I didn't see that during the Hockeyville game - Kane was almost pass happy that night in comparison.

I appreciate Olli is a veteran and that was hardly a veteran Oilers lineup so maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves with the Scheifele adoration (Caps lineup was heavier) but how do you not see, as an NHL coach, the chemistry that was there for KSS? Because if you see it as a KJS line instead of KSS I think you're wasting the speed and potential. Kane will still get his points, mostly on his own. But I think Scheifele ends up centering what might be a higher scoring line overall with Frolik and Halischuk.

I agree with all points. The bold section is what I always see with Kane and Jokinen.
 

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My buddies where saying Melenchori or however you spell his name looked pretty good any truth to this?

It seemed to me like he would just always pass to Trouba who did an outlet pass. Had two unsuccessful rush attempts up the ice if I recall correctly. I would say he didn't have a bad game but definitely didn't have a spectacular one. He is very calm with the puck, which is a trait I like in D.
 

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