Post-Game Talk: Jets test positive for...suckage [Flames 6-2]

[BatVader]

We have an abundance of wingers on the roster and in the system. What we need to do is plug holes, not create more to bring in more of what we already have.

We have very little RW depth, and trading Lowry doesn’t create a hole. We have lots of bottom 6 C options... Copp, Roslovic, Harkins, Appleton, Gus, etc...

 

[surixon]

We have very little RW depth, and trading Lowry doesn’t create a hole. We have lots of bottom 6 C options... Copp, Roslovic, Harkins, Appleton, Gus, etc...

Ehlers, Laine, Appelton, Wheeler, Ves can all play RW. I wouldnt be opposed to Poolparty for the right price but if I'm moving Lowry its in a package to get either a 2C or dmen.

 

[PaulPooley]

I think Lowry is a key piece of this roster I wouldn’t give up for a light scoring soft winger.

 

[Do or Die]

Lowry and especially Copp are somewhat underrated....

 

[Jet]

I’d trade Lowry for Puljujarvi after the playoffs, but not Wheeler.

Lowry is like one of the only forwards that can play playoff hockey - he's off the table for me. I don't think we need another 'promise' player like Puju, I'd rather see if guys like Vesalainen, Harkins, Gustafson, and Spacek can come in and earn a spot.

I feel like Vesa is more in the mold of what we need right now - good size and plays a fairly direct game, isn't afraid to get his hands dirty. Gus also looks like he could fit that mold.

 

[leer2006]

We have very little RW depth, and trading Lowry doesn’t create a hole. We have lots of bottom 6 C options... Copp, Roslovic, Harkins, Appleton, Gus, etc...

The problem is non of those forwards brings what Lowry brings. Our issue is lack of size and toughness in our top 6. I think our bottom 6 are fine.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I thought we had the edge in game 2 and they took it back in game 3. The challenge is staying out of the Box so it’s hard to walk the line of gritty and clean. Their PP killed us in games 1 and 3 so we just need to play faster again and stay out of the box. Even depleted we can hang with these guys 5v5 and that is our best and possibly only shot IMO.

If we get in a chippy battle and trade penalties they win comfortably. I am sure they would prefer that game and that is what they are trying to goad us into their style game.

I don't want a chippy game, just finishing checks would be nice. We seem to turn away at the last second and simply wave sticks in the direction of the puck, which ironically sometimes trips or hooks a player.

 

[robertocarlos]

FMDL. Is there really a one in eight chance Maurice will be fired?

 

[Howard Chuck]

Eakin is not a top 6 C.
Scheifele is not playing.
So we don't have a single top 6 C in the game.
What do people expect?

Even the bottom 6 is disrupted with Copp and Rosie playing up and missing Archie.
So the F corps is in a shambles - and we still have a makeshift D corps.
What do people expect?

Losing Scheifele just underscores what we already know. We NEED a proper 2C. We won't be contenders until we get one. And - yes - the D corps still needs work too.

Absolutely. Watching wheeler and Connor struggle without scheifele, shows exactly how much you need a good c between ehlers and laine.

A good 2c is more than just another good player, it transforms the game of the players on that line as well. It’s like getting three great players with one change.

That one change would make us a contender. That and being healthy of course

 

[Chunkylover351]

the jets still lost to the flames in the heritage classic with 55 in the lineup

What game were you watching? The Jets won that game in OT.

 

[ps241]

I don't want a chippy game, just finishing checks would be nice. We seem to turn away at the last second and simply wave sticks in the direction of the puck, which ironically sometimes trips or hooks a player.

Once the feet quit moving it seems that the stick gets used for all the wrong reasons. I though Matty P's completely unavoidable undisciplined trip in the face off circle at center ice was the turning point of the game. I was watched with a few friends and said "brutal penalties like this always seem to lead to a goal against" and that is exactly what happened. That is my exhibit A of the kind of thing we can't do next game.

 

[DashingDane]

I don't fully get the "we need to get bigger" requests. Sure I'll concede some big D would be nice but if they can't make a breakout pass it doesn't really matter. I really think it's a non issue when it comes to forwards. Look at Carolina, they are smaller than the Jets and winning. This is an injury, effort and coaching issue if you ask me. We ideally need a 2C and then we are already looking solid again. Depending on Samberg and Heinola adding a Buff replacement also makes sense. Get a 2C and a top 4 D for next season and I'm starting to get excited again. Fire PoMo and I'm throwing a party!

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Lowry is like one of the only forwards that can play playoff hockey - he's off the table for me. I don't think we need another 'promise' player like Puju, I'd rather see if guys like Vesalainen, Harkins, Gustafson, and Spacek can come in and earn a spot.

I feel like Vesa is more in the mold of what we need right now - good size and plays a fairly direct game, isn't afraid to get his hands dirty. Gus also looks like he could fit that mold.

I don't see Lowry re-signing here once he gets to UFA. He needs to be traded this coming year for something, unless you're content with having him as an own rental and letting him walk.

 

[robertocarlos]

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i have some words at state of team an stuff. i never watch game for this team anymore but i still have word.

listen. things at winnipeg really bad. they have mounted down the team as from when laine came here. they had good players for a team being set at a cold dark prairie place where noboty probaply knowing so much of hockey but still enjoy having hockey at it with beer in mind when cheering some hockey there. therefore having stubborn perverted idead oldschooltime coach behind wheels and yes not so much of riot at winnipeg when they set team for ride along. right? they had some size and much more skill but today only wreck of memory left here. today this is not fun good team anymore. bad players future darkenes here. they let armia go and some fast skater lowliners too and more i dont remember.they buy in eakin, borque this coach like treehands and stuff. and they have perverted behavyeurs going on with laine. as he came he was total different player and set up for different careerline than where he is today. he is no longer a treat . he has forgot himself his dangerousness and magic. they team set him for doing only one stuff at ice. i was expecting them to make him playmaker and scorer more and much more icetime and develope his game by letting him try stuff more and more. they not use his skill. they not let him develope here. they have stopped his developements. i suspect this player can not be started again. he only stands at ice and this is on team. they should talk to him try more try more, do a player and stuff. more soloing. have they no developements in training at this? they hurt his confidence here at all times. he still playing with way too long sticks. on PP he only have role to wait for puck to shoot at. playmaker is set to be little overweighted? wheeler who is no playmaker. they have so role for all players here and no changes in anything. laine should have more icetimes and total free role and at practise they should have been developements for this and this should be numer one thing going on. thins with this coach is total catastrophy. i hope laine very soon getting away from this hole. but i suspect this team destroyd his career as of supersplendid careernumbers and all. he never got to grow here. they downsized at him. this team should i think be somewhere else town where this team coach was not accepted after all this "work" my opinion. thanks. ps wheelers no good. o´connor not so good players as some here think. and yeah. this team is not anywhere a talented group stucked with talant. no no no. listen here.

sir avgard hockeyprofessor

You had me at "oldschooltime coach behind wheels". Nice double entendre avgard. Much cheers to you.

 

[Neuf]

I don't fully get the "we need to get bigger" requests. Sure I'll concede some big D would be nice but if they can't make a breakout pass it doesn't really matter. I really think it's a non issue when it comes to forwards. Look at Carolina, they are smaller than the Jets and winning. This is an injury, effort and coaching issue if you ask me. We ideally need a 2C and then we are already looking solid again. Depending on Samberg and Heinola adding a Buff replacement also makes sense. Get a 2C and a top 4 D for next season and I'm starting to get excited again. Fire PoMo and I'm throwing a party!

I think people are feeling that the middle of the ice is open for the other team, the Jets have wingers that mainly stick to the perimeter, and are weak overall at centre. This leads to a perception that we need a big guy who can dictate the play in the middle of the rink. Maurice runs a North-South dump and chase system that gets exposed if you can't muscle past a defenseman along the boards, or cut into the middle and force your way on net (like Wheeler used to do). Carolina, I don't watch much, but in my limited view they seem a bit more creative with zone entries. Put Ehlers on that team, for example and see what would happen.

Defense, we want size because we lost like 700 pounds of defensemen in the past year. I miss buff wrecking stuff, and Myers, while not worth his current contract, could at least be an obstacle to get around.

 

[AKAChip]

We need to stop pining for Tyler Myers. The only difference between him and our other crappy defencemen is that he’s exponentially more expensive.

 

[surixon]

I think people are feeling that the middle of the ice is open for the other team, the Jets have wingers that mainly stick to the perimeter, and are weak overall at centre. This leads to a perception that we need a big guy who can dictate the play in the middle of the rink. Maurice runs a North-South dump and chase system that gets exposed if you can't muscle past a defenseman along the boards, or cut into the middle and force your way on net (like Wheeler used to do). Carolina, I don't watch much, but in my limited view they seem a bit more creative with zone entries. Put Ehlers on that team, for example and see what would happen.

Defense, we want size because we lost like 700 pounds of defensemen in the past year. I miss buff wrecking stuff, and Myers, while not worth his current contract, could at least be an obstacle to get around.

We don't look good in the middle because we don't quickly transition the puck to our wingers in flight like a team like the Canes and Bolts do. We always regroup and then try to go through all 5 of their players who are now set. It forces our attacks to the outside and to dump and chase hockey.

Mauroce imo is running the complete wrong breakout and transition strategy for our talent. We are one of the tallest teams in the league but it doesn't matter if you are relatively stationary when you get the puck.

 

[voyageur]

We have how many bottom 6 C’s?
Chances are Lowry is going after this coming year anyway, so why not use him to get a middle 6 RW.
Hell, at worse, Puljujarvi will be a 3RW, so it’s an even trade, with the potential to be a steal.
As for the team being soft...that was guaranteed once we lost Buff and others.

By my count 1. Copp. And watching yesterday's game, seemed like Copper lost every defensive zone faceoff, which is an area of concern. Gustafsson will be a bottom 6 centre in all likelihood, but not a driver like Lowry...Right now my priority would be signing Lowry this offseason. Something like 5 years-$22 million. Makes the holes alot less noticeable. You have your 1c, and a 3c shutdown. 2c maybe it's Harkins, maybe it's Copp. Maybe it's a trade. Max Domi? He's not a 4th line centre, and the Habs have 3 centres they like. He'd be a 2 year window, which would allow the Jets to draft a centre this year, and develop him for that spot, maybe with an extra year needed. But let's face it, after two years Laine is probably gone, if he goes the Trouba route. Wheeler will be aged out, and Scheifele will approaching 30.

Domi for Roslovic, 2nd Rd Pick, and Niku.
Sign De Melo, sign Joel Edmunson for the PK

Connor-Scheif-Wheeler
Ehlers-Domi-Laine (Domi can play a 2nd line, and would probably drop Tkachuk in a tilt)
Harkins-Lowry-Copp
Vesalainen-Gustafsson-Appleton
Shaw as 13. Get a guy like Brendan Nolan for the rough stuff.


Morrissey-De Melo
Heinola-Edmunson
Samberg-Poolman/Pionk

For the playoffs next year.

That's still a pretty young team.

 

[DashingDane]

I think people are feeling that the middle of the ice is open for the other team, the Jets have wingers that mainly stick to the perimeter, and are weak overall at centre. This leads to a perception that we need a big guy who can dictate the play in the middle of the rink. Maurice runs a North-South dump and chase system that gets exposed if you can't muscle past a defenseman along the boards, or cut into the middle and force your way on net (like Wheeler used to do). Carolina, I don't watch much, but in my limited view they seem a bit more creative with zone entries. Put Ehlers on that team, for example and see what would happen.

Defense, we want size because we lost like 700 pounds of defensemen in the past year. I miss buff wrecking stuff, and Myers, while not worth his current contract, could at least be an obstacle to get around.

I agree with all of this but to me it screams coaching issue more so than the wrong players. I miss Buff like a MFer but he isn't coming back and it's unrealistic to find such a giant that is as offensively gifted as him. There really is no replacing him. I don't think we would have faired any better with Myers on the team.

 

[Neuf]

I agree with all of this but to me it screams coaching issue more so than the wrong players. I miss Buff like a MFer but he isn't coming back and it's unrealistic to find such a giant that is as offensively gifted as him. There really is no replacing him. I don't think we would have faired any better with Myers on the team.

I'd rather keep the players and change the coaching system as well, no doubt.

 

[kanadalainen]

Final thought here -- I think Chevy and Maurice need to do what I'm going to do in about 10 minutes, and that's take 2- 500 mg Tylenol, and go to bed and forget about this game, and mess the team is in.

The only difference is Chevy and Maurice should take 4.

Careful big fella - 1000 mg of NSAID is gonna destabilize the optimization of your endothelial fenestrations.

 

[The Blue Baron]

We need to stop pining for Tyler Myers. The only difference between him and our other crappy defencemen is that he’s exponentially more expensive.

Oh and he IS a Giraffe as well

 

[DashingDane]

We need to stop pining for Tyler Myers. The only difference between him and our other crappy defencemen is that he’s exponentially more expensive.

Yup. Letting Myers go was a good thing. I'll admit I miss Chiapet and his stabbyness, though at his current price that was also the correct move.

 

[AKAChip]

Yup. Letting Myers go was a good thing. I'll admit I miss Chiapet and his stabbyness, though at his current price that was also the correct move.

Yeah. Having a down year on defence was well worth dumping those two and what they are currently making. Now they won’t block Samberg and Heinola for eternity because we know full well unless he’s absolutely forced to, Maurice would do everything he could to avoid playing them as rookies.

 

[bennylundholm]

We will NEVER win with:
a) Scheifele as our #1 centre. He is not good defensively or on faceoffs. Look at the teams who have won and look at their great 2 way centres: O'Reilly, Bergeron, Crosby, Toews, etc.
b) Wheeler as our #1 winger and go to guy on the PP. This guy is doing nothing this series, getting slower each game, and not earning the 8.5 mill.
c) A small, soft D.