Post-Game Talk: Jets test positive for...suckage [Flames 6-2]

[surixon]

Yup. Letting Myers go was a good thing. I'll admit I miss Chiapet and his stabbyness, though at his current price that was also the correct move.

Chariot has been getting torched by the Pens. If it wasn't for Price entering God mode in these playoffs everyone would laughing ar how bad their defense is playing.

Chariot isn't at all an answer without a Buff or Weber to carry him. What we need is an actual good second pairing physical dmen that can move the puck.

 

[nhlpro]

The only way the Jets win a cup is when Lowry is your 4th line center, and i love Lowry! Nancy Perreault out and 1st pick Laff in??? I can dream

 

[tntkid]

The only players on my no trade list are Ehlers, Copp , Lowry, Scheifele, Laine , Connor and Hellebuyck.

Everyone else are tradable assets in my opinion.

 

[AKAChip]

The only players on my no trade list are Ehlers, Copp , Lowry, Scheifele, Laine , Connor and Hellebuyck.

Everyone else are tradable assets in my opinion.

Lowry has got to be the most overrated guy on HFJets. He’s fine for what he is but you can’t make guys like him untouchable. He’s a bottom six forward with essentially no offensive upside. Paying for guys like that is how you end up in cap hell like Vancouver.

 

[The Blue Baron]

The only players on my no trade list are Ehlers, Copp , Lowry, Scheifele, Laine , Connor and Hellebuyck.

Everyone else are tradable assets in my opinion.

I’d add JoMo as the only other no trade

 

[surixon]

Lowry has got to be the most overrated guy on HFJets. He’s fine for what he is but you can’t make guys like him untouchable. He’s a bottom six forward with essentially no offensive upside. Paying for guys like that is how you end up in cap hell like Vancouver.

I agree. Hes had a nice playoff but hes essentially a 15 to 20 point player who is a year from UFA. Hes tradable if not willing to sign a reasonable extension.

 

[surixon]

my no trade list:

Scheifele - Top 10 center in the league on a beauty deal. Enough said

Helle - Franchise goalie on great deal.

Morrissey - top pairing dmen are incredibly hard to attain. He may not be a dominant all around number 1 but every team needs a stable number 2 dmen. Hes also signed at a pretty reasonable rate for that role.

Ehlers - Play driving first line winger on a great deal. He stays

Laine - based around what his intentions are. If he is open to staying long term he is on the list. If he is angling out then you move him.

 

[roccerfeller]

^KC?

could end up being a steal of a contract

 

[surixon]

^KC?

could end up being a steal of a contract

He is a complimentary offensive guy. I wouldnt be looking to deal him but if the right offer came by I would.

 

[tntkid]

I’d add JoMo as the only other no trade

Morrissey is probably our best defenseman right now but he is noticeably not as good without Trouba.

That is the only reason why I would not say that he is untradable.

 

[Channelcat]

I’d add JoMo as the only other no trade

my no trade list:

Scheifele - Top 10 center in the league on a beauty deal. Enough said

Helle - Franchise goalie on great deal.

Morrissey - top pairing dmen are incredibly hard to attain. He may not be a dominant all around number 1 but every team needs a stable number 2 dmen. Hes also signed at a pretty reasonable rate for that role.

Ehlers - Play driving first line winger on a great deal. He stays

Laine - based around what his intentions are. If he is open to staying long term he is on the list. If he is angling out then you move him.

I don't know about Morrissey. Looks like an overpay right now. That being said, I think we all expect him to raise his game significantly next season.

 

[surixon]

I don't know about Morrissey. Looks like an overpay right now. That being said, I think we all expect him to raise his game significantly next season.

6 million for a 35-40 point two-way dmen that beats the tough matchups is fair market value. He has the 25th highest cap hit among dmen and that will change after this offseason. I honestly am not sure what some people are expecting with him. He has always been more defensive with stealthy offense where he sneaks into the play. He really has never driven offense himself at an elite level so expecting him to start now might be a bit ambitious. Hard to stealth offense with our current forward core this playoffs as the game plan is now get the puck to the point and put it on net.

He is now back to playing like more like he did prior to the beginning of this year and getting strong positive results.

Put him on the number 1 PP and his offense is likely a lot better as well.

 

[Duke749]

He is a complimentary offensive guy. I wouldnt be looking to deal him but if the right offer came by I would.

I can get behind that logic. Right offer? Yes. Otherwise you hold onto the guy that can bury them.

 

[Duke749]

6 million for a 35-40 point two-way dmen that beats the tough matchups is fair market value. He has the 25th highest cap hit among dmen and that will change after this offseason. I honestly am not sure what some people are expecting with him. He has always been more defensive with stealthy offense where he sneaks into the play. He really has never driven offense himself at an elite level so expecting him to start now might be a bit ambitious. Hard to stealth offense with our current forward core this playoffs as the game plan is now get the puck to the point and put it on net.

He is now back to playing like more like he did prior to the beginning of this year and getting strong positive results.

Put him on the number 1 PP and his offense is likely a lot better as well.

A thought came across my mind today with regards to Morrissey(and I’m just now finishing last nights game). I think perhaps using a slightly longer stick may help him immensely on the defensive end. Too many times his body is put on the line against the forecheck and I think his shorter stick hampers that.

 

[Duke749]

Morrissey is probably our best defenseman right now but he is noticeably not as good without Trouba.

That is the only reason why I would not say that he is untradable.

Top pairing defenseman not as good without another top pairing defenseman. More at 11.

 

[Halberdier]

^KC?

could end up being a steal of a contract

Or a little bit expensive one. KC is Ehlers Lite for most of the things, but with worse D, slower skating. Though KC is superior near the opposite net (best of the team), which is his best asset.

To see if KC is as cheap as many think, you should try to utilize him like Ehlers (or Laine) has been utilized, without Scheifele, Wheeler & Laine and see if he can carry some weight of his own, also with less TOI.

Anyway, KC has a great trade value right now, while probably no-one would touch Wheeler just now and would not pay for the potential of Ehlers and Laine.

Best scenario would be keeping all the three young wingers, and somehow manage to acquire those much needed 2C and 1RHD that would turn the Jets again into a contender they were late 17-18. I hold Chevy higher than maybe most, but that's almost a mission impossible.

 

[Duke749]

Fire Maurice, trade Laine, get rid of Chevy, refs out to get us, F*** Bettman, BC sucks, ice was sh**, never shoulda traded Selanne, damn you Pavs, Noel is an idiot, start the Tank!

There, now you can skip the next 9 pages. You’re welcome.

Ok you win.

 

[Duke749]

So how much of 81 and 26 success is due to 55?

Sorry for all the quotes. I expect @Mortimer Snerd to call me out.

But I had been saying a lot of Connor’s success was thanks to Scheif. Not to take anything away from him because he can certainly bury them but he just doesn’t drive the play.

 

[Channelcat]

Top pairing defenseman not as good without another top pairing defenseman. More at 11.

He was a different person this year. Seemed sour. Yes, thats me going full out with the speculation, but he probably wasn't happy losing Trouba to begin with, then the Buff situation dops all the hard minutes on him. On top of that he's given Poolman as a partner project. And hardly any pp time. Worked very well for Poolman though.....the guy made incredible progress.

 

[Halberdier]

A thought came across my mind today with regards to Morrissey(and I’m just now finishing last nights game). I think perhaps using a slightly longer stick may help him immensely on the defensive end. Too many times his body is put on the line against the forecheck and I think his shorter stick hampers that.

He could just use some of those sticks left by Toby

I myself tend to play with a long stick and definitely that helps defensively with a pretty amazing reach. The same time it also reduces the power and agility you can handle the puck and makes it more cumbersome to play.

Still guys like Toby Enström or eg. Sebastian Aho (3+5 on 3 playoff games, btw.) are certainly using that extra length of their stick as an advantage. Vast majority of players still tend to play with average size or with a short stick which helps stick handling and helps with puck control when it's close to your feet.

 

[DashingDane]

Or a little bit expensive one. KC is Ehlers Lite for most of the things, but with worse D, slower skating. Though KC is superior near the opposite net (best of the team), which is his best asset.

To see if KC is as cheap as many think, you should try to utilize him like Ehlers (or Laine) has been utilized, without Scheifele, Wheeler & Laine and see if he can carry some weight of his own, also with less TOI.

Anyway, KC has a great trade value right now, while probably no-one would touch Wheeler just now and would not pay for the potential of Ehlers and Laine.

Best scenario would be keeping all the three young wingers, and somehow manage to acquire those much needed 2C and 1RHD that would turn the Jets again into a contender they were late 17-18. I hold Chevy higher than maybe most, but that's almost a mission impossible.

If Laine takes a semi team friendly deal this summer I'm pretty confident Ehlers gets shipped off this year. Ehlers stock is likely up because of the playoffs and it's easier to get a good center/defender if you include him. Couple that with PoMo preferring the way Connor and Laine plays to make it a no brainer. It's not what I would do but won't be surprised if/when it happens.

 

[surixon]

A thought came across my mind today with regards to Morrissey(and I’m just now finishing last nights game). I think perhaps using a slightly longer stick may help him immensely on the defensive end. Too many times his body is put on the line against the forecheck and I think his shorter stick hampers that.

The issue is that may impact his retrieval and pivoting and outlet passing.

 

[surixon]

He was a different person this year. Seemed sour. Yes, thats me going full out with the speculation, but he probably wasn't happy losing Trouba to begin with, then the Buff situation dops all the hard minutes on him. On top of that he's given Poolman as a partner project. And hardly any pp time. Worked very well for Poolman though.....the guy made incredible progress.

He seemed unhappy with his own performance as he indicated in his interview during training camp.

First year facing some adversity for him at the NHL level. Nothing wrong with being a bit testy.

 

[surixon]

Top pairing defenseman not as good without another top pairing defenseman. More at 11.

Yup, the two also had a great deal of synergy on the ice. Their skill sets complimented each other perfectly. The good news is that unlike Trouba who's performance has stayed awful im the playoffs, Morrissey is back playing mostly like he can.

 

[Duke749]

If Laine takes a semi team friendly deal this summer I'm pretty confident Ehlers gets shipped off this year. Ehlers stock is likely up because of the playoffs and it's easier to get a good center/defender if you include him. Couple that with PoMo preferring the way Connor and Laine plays to make it a no brainer. It's not what I would do but won't be surprised if/when it happens.

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