Post-Game Talk: Jets test positive for...suckage [Flames 6-2]

[Duke749]

He was a different person this year. Seemed sour. Yes, thats me going full out with the speculation, but he probably wasn't happy losing Trouba to begin with, then the Buff situation dops all the hard minutes on him. On top of that he's given Poolman as a partner project. And hardly any pp time. Worked very well for Poolman though.....the guy made incredible progress.

Honestly, that’s a weird spin. Guy was hurt and playing 3rd pairing talent all year. Gotta factor that into the equation.

 

[tntkid]

Top pairing defenseman not as good without another top pairing defenseman. More at 11.

I am in doubt that the undersized Morrissey is a top pairing defenseman on another team.

He is a decent defensman but I am not going to overate him because he plays on the Jets.

 

[Duke749]

He could just use some of those sticks left by Toby

I myself tend to play with a long stick and definitely that helps defensively with a pretty amazing reach. The same time it also reduces the power and agility you can handle the puck and makes it more cumbersome to play.

Still guys like Toby Enström or eg. Sebastian Aho (3+5 on 3 playoff games, btw.) are certainly using that extra length of their stick as an advantage. Vast majority of players still tend to play with average size or with a short stick which helps stick handling and helps with puck control when it's close to your feet.

For the record, I’m dead serious. Lol Just think at this level it would really help him reach a higher level.

 

[BoneDocUK]

If Laine takes a semi team friendly deal this summer I'm pretty confident Ehlers gets shipped off this year. Ehlers stock is likely up because of the playoffs and it's easier to get a good center/defender if you include him. Couple that with PoMo preferring the way Connor and Laine plays to make it a no brainer. It's not what I would do but won't be surprised if/when it happens.

I've said this a dozen times, but this is a worst-case scenario for me. Trade the Eel, and we lose an elite player for likely much less than market value -- and I fully expect him to torch the league, and us, forever after.

I'd much rather trade PM first -- maybe bump him up the ladder or bring in an elite-in-the-lockerroom guy to cover part of his job -- and see how our team plays when they aren't locked into this static, grifter system that all but a handful of players seem not to understand or be suited for.

I mean, my happiest moment of this series was watching PP1 -- minus Wheeler, after his brave tilt -- zing it around the zone with speed, creativity and menace. I actually rubbed my eyes in disbelief. Could this really be a 2020 Jets power play? For an instant, just an instant, it was.

 

[surixon]

I am in doubt that the undersized Morrissey is a top pairing defenseman on another team.

He is a decent defensman but I am not going to overate him because he plays on the Jets.

He rouinly finishes in that range in terms of GAR and WAR. This year not withstanding. I think people have an over inflated view of what most top pairing dmen look like. He isn't a star or franchise dmen but he is a legit top pairing guy. Imo he's a really good number 2 dmen so probably in the 35-40 range for dmen in the league.

 

[pucka lucka]

He rouinly finishes in that range in terms of GAR and WAR. This year not withstanding. I think people have an over inflated view of what most top pairing dmen look like. He isn't a star or franchise dmen but he is a legit top pairing guy. Imo he's a really good number 2 dmen so probably in the 35-40 range for dmen in the league.

He looks like he should be better. He is missing that little bit of o-zone poise and a touch too slow decision making when defending. He is "this close" to being elite.

 

[None]

He rouinly finishes in that range in terms of GAR and WAR. This year not withstanding. I think people have an over inflated view of what most top pairing dmen look like. He isn't a star or franchise dmen but he is a legit top pairing guy. Imo he's a really good number 2 dmen so probably in the 35-40 range for dmen in the league.

Everyone wants a Dustin Byfuglien except when they have a Dustin Byfuglien

 

[Halberdier]

I mean, my happiest moment of this series was watching PP1 -- minus Wheeler, after his brave tilt -- zing it around the zone with speed, creativity and menace. I actually rubbed my eyes in disbelief. Could this really be a 2020 Jets power play? For an instant, just an instant, it was.

So I was not the only one that noticed? After Wheeler fought with Tkatchuk the PP1 looked fresh and dangerous for that short while. Didn't score yet, but certainly looked better than it has been usually looking for like 2 seasons, most of the time.

I am sure they could play less predictable PP with much quicker yet easier plays also with the usual PP with Wheeler, but for some reason they just keep forcing those seam passes all the time. Yeah, it looks nice like every second game when some puck finally makes it through the seam, but usually it just don't seem to be effective.

 

[Whileee]

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I can go along with this surixon --we've gotta start making some moves in the off season -- some big ones. We look like a B grade team against the Flames, who really aren't that good themselves.

Chevy is a good dealmaker, he needs to get to work, and stop picking up this pint size guys like Eakin, and others.

We've got another Dman coming up -- Heinola, who is also too small in my opinion. I sure hope Samberg works out, as I understand he's a good size, and plays with an edge.

We are a "B grade" team without Little, Buff, Scheifele, and Laine. Imagine the matchup with the Jets having a full lineup vs a Flames team without Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Giordano, and Backlund.

 

[Whileee]

Losing with a decimated, injury ridden squad is not a disaster. I just wish that this team didn’t do it in such a soft manner. It is a contact sport, and physical dominance combined with mind games gives you an edge, and the Flames are dominating us in these areas. We might as well just WO and wait for the draft unless our MIA scorers put their big boy pants on and start playing with more of an edge. Getting scoring from Connor and Wheeler + grittier play from the whole team is key if we are to have a chance at beating that sorry excuse of a hockey club. We are down, but not out!

Jets fans hated it when the Jets had a "tough" lineup, but now they are too "soft". The Jets aren't losing because they are too soft, they're losing because they are missing key players and their special teams have been horrid.

 

[pucka lucka]

Jets fans hated it when the Jets had a "tough" lineup, but now they are too "soft". The Jets aren't losing because they are too soft, they're losing because they are missing key players and their special teams have been horrid.

How about some fans. Because I am a Jets fan and I know i haven't said anything about how tough this team is.

 

[Whileee]

How about some fans. Because I am a Jets fan and I know i haven't said anything about how tough this team is.

Agree... My mistake. "Some fans". I'm one that is happy to see the end of the Peluso / Thorburn / Stuart era.

 

[Duke749]

Agree... My mistake. "Some fans". I'm one that is happy to see the end of the Peluso / Thorburn / Stuart era.

Aww c’mon! Thorburn wasn’t at least a very very like able guy unlike some of our 4th liners.

 

[Whileee]

Aww c’mon! Thorburn wasn’t at least a very very like able guy unlike some of our 4th liners.

Actually, Stuart was also a very likable guy. I just didn't like watching him play for the Jets.

 

[NorCalhockey]

my no trade list:

Scheifele - Top 10 center in the league on a beauty deal. Enough said

^KC? could end up being a steal of a contract

Nathan MacKinnon has THE MOST team friendly contract in the NHL - AINEC. Schiefele probably is the next most team friendly.

Jets fans, how can the Jets fix their special teams by the time of tomorrow's game? Seems to me that's where the game will be won or lost.

 

[DashingDane]

Nathan MacKinnon has THE MOST team friendly contract in the NHL - AINEC. Schiefele probably is the next most team friendly.

Jets fans, how can the Jets fix their special teams by the time of tomorrow's game? Seems to me that's where the game will be won or lost.

PP - Make Wheels net front and have Connor/Ehlers as triggermen on each side. Swap Jomo with Pionk. PK is hard to fix but we could start by using our best players... cough JoMo cough

 

[tbone1968]

2017-18 season seems a lifetime ago. For a lot of reasons lol. That team was loaded. Big, fast, talented and hard as hell to play against. That team was cup worthy just worn out a bit by the time they got to Vegas who were fresh. How the hell do we get close to that again in the near future ? Hard to see it

 

[pucka lucka]

PP - Make Wheels net front and have Connor/Ehlers as triggermen on each side. Swap Jomo with Pionk. PK is hard to fix but we could start by using our best players... cough JoMo cough

Everything going through Wheeler is the problem with our PP. That is not Wheelers game. He's always scored based on great athleticism, solid puck control and decent vision. He's most definitely not an elite puck handler, nor a PP QB.

 

[Duke749]

Actually, Stuart was also a very likable guy. I just didn't like watching him play for the Jets.

Good for you bud... Hope ya feel better now...

 

[tntkid]

Everything going through Wheeler is the problem with our PP. That is not Wheelers game. He's always scored based on great athleticism, solid puck control and decent vision. He's most definitely not an elite puck handler, nor a PP QB.

Wheeler is still overly predictable on our power play.

He never drives the net anymore and just sits on the right side looking for 55 or 29.

 

[surixon]

He looks like he should be better. He is missing that little bit of o-zone poise and a touch too slow decision making when defending. He is "this close" to being elite.

I would agree with this. If he can get his junior offensive game going then he would be golden. Now that he is the focal point offensively maybe that part of the game develops quickly.

He has been good defensively but yeah there is probably another half level he has shown in the past.

 

[surixon]

We are a "B grade" team without Little, Buff, Scheifele, and Laine. Imagine the matchup with the Jets having a full lineup vs a Flames team without Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Giordano, and Backlund.

They wouldn't stand a chance the way they are playing. Calgary isn't a great team.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

If the Jets ever traded Ehlers I'd be furious.

Incidentally, seeing how reliant Connor seems to be on Scheifele to get anything done, whereas Ehlers is able to do it more on his own may give some insight as to why Maurice has Connor and Scheifs attached at the hip on the top line.

 

[DashingDane]

If the Jets ever traded Ehlers I'd be furious.

Incidentally, seeing how reliant Connor seems to be on Scheifele to get anything done, whereas Ehlers is able to do it more on his own may give some insight as to why Maurice has Connor and Scheifs attached at the hip on the top line.

I'd say bolded is very true if it wasn't for how he talks about him in the media. Basically stating he is a finished product that doesn't need coaching and will be a top 10 player in the league. I hope to god he is right because that could mean a cup to Winnipeg!

 

[PaulPooley]

Hard to believe tomorrow could once again be the last Jets game we see for a very long time. I really want a win.