Post-Game Talk: Jets reel in the Kraken win 5-3

[Adam da bomb]

My guess is they know Stanley's limitations and wanted DeMelo to be his safety net. Also JoMo was capable of making up for Schmidt's weaknesses.

Personally is be putting Heinola in for Stanley as I think he is the better player with much higher upside.

I'd be moving Schmidt and put Heinola in. Schmidt is not good defensively. That said, keeping Schmidt, I'd put Heinola in for him. I'd also put Samberg in for Stanley. Dillion has been a lot better lately than the start of year.
I also would move the KFC line to being the top line. They are better defensively and offensively.

 

[surixon]

I thought Schmidt was the worse defender than stanley last night. I think Stanley is fine, not good not bad, as a 3rd pairing D. A good replacement for Beau. He made a few good passes. He seemed more involved in the offense than Schmidt. He also looked lost in his own end a few times. I thought Schmidt is overpaid for being so lousy in his own end.

Schmidt needs someone to take care of the d part. He's fine when he can just concentrate on offense. Stanley isn't particularly good in his end as well which is why that pairing has major issues. I have no idea why our coaches haven't figured it out yet.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Schmidt needs someone to take care of the d part. He's fine when he can just concentrate on offense. Stanley isn't particularly good in his end as well which is why that pairing has major issues. I have no idea why our coaches haven't figured it out yet.

Yes, I just don't like d who need someone else to take care of the D part. Stanley should be 8th in the rotation and the new Beau or gone. I just don't see the need for Schmidt.
Stanley should probably be lower than that even, 9th or 10th behind Chis. Kept around at league minimuim in case half the d corp gets wiped out. I just worry he is the new chariot that in a few years we could have got a 1st for him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hopefully not. The way he skated off it didn't look like a shoulder problem.

Didn't LOOK like anything else either.

 

[ps241]

Och, and a shout-out for Comrie. Tough ask to come in every 41 games (yeah I know, but he must kinda feel like it to him) and play a blinder, while wearing permanent rust, but he's been very good and has seemed to get better as each game goes on, and regularly made outstanding saves in front of a still-porous defence without obviously terrifying the team in front of him, which is about as good as it gets from a backup who isn't The Buttery One having his career year. I can't imagine that many NHLers with ambitions to start want to play backup to a guy like Helle who would play 80 games if he could. Also:

- Biiiiiiig Logan Stanley is a worse defender than Heinola, size and reach notwithstanding

- Huuuuuuuuustling Austin Poganski is that prototypical energy guy that old-skool coaches love: plenty of movement and whacking of the boards signifying nothing. Gus is going to need some time to ramp back up to NHL speed, but the second he does PoGo should be heading Moose-wards. In fact, he should be there right now in place of Svetch, an actually useful player

- Enough with the 1st line out for every high-stakes game situation. They don't stonewall defend well, have never defended well, and will never defend well. A pulled goalie situation is not merely an opportunity for an easy tally, it's also a high-danger gamestate for the defending team, even with a two-goal lead, even when #WheelsUp is playing as well as he has been

- 64/88 is not working

- OTOH, Demon DeMelo/JMo is working and has always worked -- why did it take so long to get us back there?

- #MoarWinz!

I don't usually get into line up talk but we were at our best with:

Morrissey DeMelo
Dillon Schmidt
Heinola Pionk

That is three pairs that all work. Logan Stanley is not playing well enough yet to crack that line up and they should quit f***ing around. I kind of understood dressing him for the Minnesota game due to the possible intensity but as long as Dillon and Lowry are healthy Stanley is redundant. Not hating on Logan but right now Heinola is the better option.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wheeler was also injured. I think Scheifele definitely struggled post Covid but now looks to have his bounce back. Also loving old man Wheeler finding is mojo.

I wanted the pair broken up - but they are certainly playing well together the last few games.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Have I mentioned how much I've liked reichels game?

He always looked like a very long shot, but he is taking advantage of his opportunity. He even looks like he is close to potting a few points. Might be that 3RW we've been needing, or at least a decent 4th liner. Doesn't hurt that he is a RHS.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm thinking ribs too.

Cracked ribs can be very painful but better that than a concussion.

 

[surixon]

Didn't LOOK like anything else either.

Hopefully just a stinger and he's good to go tomorrow.

 

[Channelcat]

Wheeler doesn't look like the same player we saw a couple months ago. It's a remarkable improvement. That's probably the biggest single factor I've seen swing in our favor lately.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I don't usually get into line up talk but we were at our best with:

Morrissey DeMelo
Dillion Schmidt
Heinola Pionk

That is three pairs that all work. Logan Stanley is not playing well enough yet to crack that line up and they should quit f***ing around. I kind of understood dressing him for the Minnesota game due to the possible intensity but as long as Dillon and Lowry are healthy Stanley is redundant. Not hating on Logan but right now Heinola is the better option.

Completely agree. Those were the best pairings we've run in a very long time, no real weak links there and plenty of physicality and puck-moving prowess in transition. Pionk plays with an edge that we've learned to respect and Heinola, despite his size, is no softie -- he has a definite nasty streak in his game.

Maybe it's as much about internal politics and arguments as it is about playing ability. A few pundits close to the team have commented on just how invested the Jets seem to be in Stanley. I'm a long-time Logan booster and I get it, but when he's demonstrably the worse option he shouldn't be playing over a better one in Heinola/ Samberg/Whomever, who are stronger players now and going forward. Especially when chasing a playoff spot.

 

[John Agar]

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[surixon]

Completely agree. Those were the best pairings we've run in a very long time, no real weak links there and plenty of physicality and puck-moving prowess in transition. Pionk plays with an edge that we've learned to respect and Heinola, despite his size, is no softie -- he has a definite nasty streak in his game.

Maybe it's as much about internal politics and arguments as it is about playing ability. A few pundits close to the team have commented on just how invested the Jets seem to be in Stanley. I'm a long-time Logan booster and I get it, but when he's demonstrably the worse option he shouldn't be playing over a better one in Heinola/ Samberg/Whomever, who are stronger players now and going forward. Especially when chasing a playoff spot.

I'd be looking to move Stanley as he likely returns a decent haul as GMs trip over themselves for size.

 

[RabidOne]

I don't usually get into line up talk but we were at our best with:

Morrissey DeMelo
Dillion Schmidt
Heinola Pionk

That is three pairs that all work. Logan Stanley is not playing well enough yet to crack that line up and they should quit f***ing around. I kind of understood dressing him for the Minnesota game due to the possible intensity but as long as Dillon and Lowry are healthy Stanley is redundant. Not hating on Logan but right now Heinola is the better option.

100% agree.

 

[Jack7222]

I'd be looking to move Stanley as he likely returns a decent haul as GMs trip over themselves for size.

This seems like the smart play. Hoping our org can be a little ruthless for once here.

 

[LowLefty]

I don't usually get into line up talk but we were at our best with:

Morrissey DeMelo
Dillion Schmidt
Heinola Pionk

That is three pairs that all work. Logan Stanley is not playing well enough yet to crack that line up and they should quit f***ing around. I kind of understood dressing him for the Minnesota game due to the possible intensity but as long as Dillon and Lowry are healthy Stanley is redundant. Not hating on Logan but right now Heinola is the better option.

I'd like to see more of Ville in the line up - I want to know if he is the guy (or not) -
If he's another Schmidt (all O, little D), I'm not convinced he is the answer to a balanced D core.
Based on the running around we do back there, more balance is needed.
I'm also not saying Stan is the guy -
The answer might even be Samberg - looks like the more balanced defender (based the the little we have seen) of the three.

Regardless, get Ville in and confirm if he can play defense - because if we are measuring our d based on their o, and if we don't factor in the balance needed to properly defend and support offense, we will continue to have issues with possession in our zone.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Schmidt and Stanley are not an ideal pairing. They just don't have enough speed to compensate for each other's weakness.

The top 2 pairings are pretty good right now. If I had to choose a 3rd pairing I would be hard press to pick between Schmidt/Samberg/Heinola. With Stanley in the PB.

 

[scelaton]

Fun game to be at last night. I still don't see a playoff caliber team defensively, but at least some goals are being scored. A few comments about individual players:

1) Scheifele-I am convinced he has always sucked this badly defensively, but it's just more obvious when he is not scoring. I think Ehlers' return and Wheeler's resurgence will increase that line's O-zone time enough to make it tolerable. The other thing about Scheif--did you notice him going ape-shit in retaliation when he was boarded? I think that was a release of a ton of pent up frustration that he has been hiding under his flat affect. I'd like to see him learn to express that on the ice constructively, rather than keeping it pent up.

2) Stanley-If Scheifele is taking pointers from Adam Oates on the side, I wonder if Stanley is getting his advice from Mark Stuart?. I now estimate Logan's future market value to be less than his current value, so would trade him if there is a high draft pick in the offing. We have a plethora of LDs to replace him with equal or greater potential.Samberg is the obvious Stanley replacement.

3)Which leads to the play of Schmidt as a LD playing the right side and the question of whether Heinola could replace him tomorrow on RD and not play any worse defensively. I believe he could, and at $5M less.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yea just hang around and keep the games meaningful. A race even with long odds is still better than the alternative.

Yes - to a point. At some point, the odds become just too long. I thought we were there already, but apparently not quite. Still close though. But as long as the winning continues and the odds continue getting shorter, the race is better.

Really, a race to make the PO is just as exciting as a PO series. Right now, we are down 3 games to one, but making a comeback.

 

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[DRW204]

Fun game to be at last night. I still don't see a playoff caliber team defensively, but at least some goals are being scored. A few comments about individual players:

1) Scheifele-I am convinced he has always sucked this badly defensively, but it's just more obvious when he is not scoring. I think Ehlers' return and Wheeler's resurgence will increase that line's O-zone time enough to make it tolerable. The other thing about Scheif--did you notice him going ape-shit in retaliation when he was boarded? I think that was a release of a ton of pent up frustration that he has been hiding under his flat affect. I'd like to see him learn to express that on the ice constructively, rather than keeping it pent up.

2) Stanley-If Scheifele is taking pointers from Adam Oates on the side, I wonder if Stanley is getting his advice from Mark Stuart?. I now estimate Logan's future market value to be less than his current value, so would trade him if there is a high draft pick in the offing. We have a plethora of LDs to replace him with equal or greater potential.Samberg is the obvious Stanley replacement.

3)Which leads to the play of Schmidt as a LD playing the right side and the question of whether Heinola could replace him tomorrow on RD and not play any worse defensively. I believe he could, and at $5M less.

idk, from '16-'18 i thought scheifele was fine defensively, at least average to above-average. to me, it's about effort with him. there's nothing really in his skill-set, or physical attributes that should be limiting his defensive impact. perhaps be 55% on the draws rather than the <50% we've been accustomed too could possibly lead to him defending less? but that's just one small aspect. Although he is at 50% this year for the 2nd time in his career as a full-timer. he's on a heater right now so it definitely over-shadows what he gives up on the other end.

i don't disagree at all with your opinion on stanley. imo you have 2 players with atleast =, or higher upside w/ samberg and heinola. then Dillon & Morrissey as vets. If you can get a top-9fwd for stanley of similar age i think you should do that deal. there's a lot of good players in the nhl but not a lot of 6'7ers

i am bias, but i like schmidt a lot. i thought he and morrissey played really well early on, and his inclusion on the top-pair helped get JoMo's mojo back, and he's ran with that high-level play all year. schmidt definitely has warts but with the right partner i think you can mitigate them, as seen with morrissey. but think he's our best puck-mover and best dman in the offensive zone.

 

[ps241]

I'd like to see more of Ville in the line up - I want to know if he is the guy (or not) -
If he's another Schmidt (all O, little D), I'm not convinced he is the answer to a balanced D core.
Based on the running around we do back there, more balance is needed.
I'm also not saying Stan is the guy -
The answer might even be Samberg - looks like the more balanced defender (based the the little we have seen) of the three.

Regardless, get Ville in and confirm if he can play defense - because if we are measuring our d based on their o, and if we don't factor in the balance needed to properly defend and support offense, we will continue to have issues with possession in our zone.

Schmidt and Stanley are not an ideal pairing. They just don't have enough speed to compensate for each other's weakness.

The top 2 pairings are pretty good right now. If I had to choose a 3rd pairing I would be hard press to pick between Schmidt/Samberg/Heinola. With Stanley in the PB.

This is how I am leaning too. I liked what I saw from Samberg in his limited sample size especially his mobility and defensive skill set. I liked Ville in this small sample size recently for his skill and getting the puck going the right way fast and supporting the rush. I also liked how he didn't shy away from the contact. I would like to see more. For me at this snap shot in time Stan is on the outside looking in but its fluid and things can change.

 

[ps241]

Yes - to a point. At some point, the odds become just too long. I thought we were there already, but apparently not quite. Still close though. But as long as the winning continues and the odds continue getting shorter, the race is better.

Really, a race to make the PO is just as exciting as a PO series. Right now, we are down 3 games to one, but making a comeback.

Yea this is really the poor mans playoffs. I have us at about 20% chance still but I am enjoying watching when I can.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Wondered why Driedger didn't get the start considering this was his first game in his hometown. Kraken look weird considering they're experienced but such a soft team.

Awesome win either way for us.

 

[John Agar]

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