Post-Game Talk: Jets reel in the Kraken win 5-3

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Adam da bomb

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Im still 100% on getting rid of Lowry as coach. I don't think he is the guy to lead this team going forward, and short of him winning the cup this year nothing will change my mind on that.
So nothing will change your mind essentially. As winning the cup is always such a long shot.
I disagree with you. Since Lowry has come he has fixed our pp, our pk. He has also started putting up a better record than Maurice, all without the benefit of Ehlers.
 
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I’ve been around here for over a decade and more years than not the main conversation is draft order and possible picks while the good teams are still playing hockey and even after making many really good selections with those picks here we are yet again and people seem to want to keep doing it year after year. Sorry but I prefer the playoffs over nabbing that 13-15 pick.

I agree with you but this team is not built for nor good enough to make a long run in the playoffs.
If they were to sneak in it is the last wc spot and they cannot play with the Av's. Ironically, they can play with Stl and Min.
 

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I agree with you but this team is not built for nor good enough to make a long run in the playoffs.
If they were to sneak in it is the last wc spot and they cannot play with the Av's. Ironically, they can play with Stl and Min.
While the chances of beating the Av’s is small. Once you are in anything can happen. Especially if Helly gets hot.
 
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Another dominant night by Morrissey in the xgf share department. He was playing great all year but since the break he’s raised his game considerably. 55 and 26 again dominating their opposition as well, which is a good sign. I know it was the Kracken but it was a continuation of the Wild game and that’s what the Jets need.
Is Lowry ever going to score again? Great play on the shorty to Tomato but he deserves a goal. The ice has been tilted way in his favour for awhile now, he’s creating relative to his opposition but can’t buy one.
Comrie has been a different player this year in his chances to play. Calm and solid, really pleased for him.
The Stanley-Schmidt pairing is a nightmare.
Reichel is turning into a interesting development. He is what he is but at least he’s doing it well.
 

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We've done pretty well at drafting. Scheifele, Trouba, Ehlers, Morrissey, Connor, Hellebyuck, Laine, Perfetti...
The Atlanta core had their chance to contend, now it's time for the Jets core to step up and make their run. We can't keep watching our core age out of their primes and hoping we hit on all our 1st rounders. For every Connor or Ehlers, we seem to end up with a Stanley, Roslovic, or Vesalainen. It's never going to be an exact science, but the clock is ticking. We have too much talent to bottom out, so there's no point in hoping for a top pick that's going to somehow be the difference maker. The team just went 4-1-1 in a nine day span against the west with two b2b's in that period. They're finding ways to gut it out even if it's not pretty. This is what the Jets used to do when they were fighting to contend back when they had Buff. It's a sign that the players are starting to give a shit, and that wasn't happening under Maurice.

To be fair Stanley was our 2nd pick of the first round, Roslovic was our second pick of the first round also. Vesalainen has been disappointing I'll agree, I was definitely expecting more but how long can one wait?

I'm hoping you're right on the team giving a crap but I'm not entirely convinced just yet. There've been some good games of late but some real bad tendencies within those games so I'm not entirely sold.

The rest are random thoughts not related to your post specifically.

I'm not all that convinced that Covid is to blame for the play of Mark and Blake. Mark's apathy was apparent early in the season and his play hasn't been there for a number of years relative to what it was so I think Covid is just another thing he had to deal with. Wheeler is aging out. His effort is top notch, almost always, but I still have issues with the ice time he gets and putting him out when the other team has an EN is just beating a dead horse. He's a warrior but he's not a great defender, he's not especially quick and by the end of the game he's usually gassed anyway. Maybe Covid affected Blake more and he's coming out of it a bit, but his effort has always been unquestionable, even if his usage has at times been odd.

Comrie has been a remarkably pleasant surprise. I'll confess to being terrified of having him as a backup going into the season. I'd still prefer Broissoit but Comrie has done all that has been asked of him. My only real knock on him is he seems to generally let one in early, but it seems to get him going, so whatever in that case. I still develop a nervous tick at the thought of Hellebuyck getting injured but that may not be entirely fair to Comrie. Their roles and expectations are different.

On the coaching side, assuming we don't win the cup, I'd actually like to see them sort of clean house. A couple of recent games notwithstanding I'm not seeing much different from the Maurice coached Jets. Any issues I might be able to put forward are entirely speculative so I'm really not going to travel down that path much. The reality is the organization will not trade Scheifele and they'll not trade Wheeler. Full stop. I'm not convinced that Maurice's hierarchy within the team isn't lingering and I don't think it's a positive. I mostly loved the play of both our leaders in the last two games but I think the play of the team when both were out is a direction I'd like to see the room take. So if we aren't getting rid of those guys, and I'd contend we probably shouldn't (loyalty for Wheeler and he only has a year left; trading Scheifele will come back to bite us hard, I'd rather see him rejuvenated in Winnipeg under new staff) then the only way to really effect change is by changing the coaching staff. I'm not sure you need to wholesale fire the lot but I'd like to see the boat rocked a little bit. If it were up to me I'd get rid of Flaherty and Huddy, move Lowry back to assistant. I'm undecided on Kompon, probably keep. But I think you really need to look at hiring a coach from outside the system this summer and give them the option to select their own staff.

When Ehlers comes back how about we send Poganski back down? Others have mentioned Harkins, Vesalainen but nobody is mentioning Poganski. I liked Poganski's game in the couple of preseason tilts I attended and we nicknamed him "Transcona" but we (the guy I go with for all preseason games) never thought he'd have a regular role on the Jets and was Moose bound. What is with the love from Lowry for this guy? Yeah, he's kind of serviceable as a 4th line guy so Covid, injuries, etc. and we make use of him for 4-5 minutes a game. But in my mind he's shown less than Vesalainen or heaven help us Svechnikov? What's with the coaching staff and their hate for Svech? Does Lowry have a daughter and Svech hit on her? This one just baffles me, it's as irrational as Maurice's love for "vets" who were clearly less valuable than the young kids.

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Plenty to be concerned about to be honest but take the two points and bank them. That’s something we weren’t doing in the first half of the year
 
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Missed most of this one so just swung by to cheer the win -- #JustWin!!! -- and post the usual. Strikingly consistent + play from JMo and DD and (in the other direction) 64 and 88; otherwise breaks down pretty much as you'd expect, though my in-house minor peewee winger tells me that the Jets ran around a lot in their zone and I'd be swearing if I was there. Smart kid. Good win.

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Och, and a shout-out for Comrie. Tough ask to come in every 41 games (yeah I know, but he must kinda feel like it to him) and play a blinder, while wearing permanent rust, but he's been very good and has seemed to get better as each game goes on, and regularly made outstanding saves in front of a still-porous defence without obviously terrifying the team in front of him, which is about as good as it gets from a backup who isn't The Buttery One having his career year. I can't imagine that many NHLers with ambitions to start want to play backup to a guy like Helle who would play 80 games if he could. Also:

- Biiiiiiig Logan Stanley is a worse defender than Heinola, size and reach notwithstanding

- Huuuuuuuuustling Austin Poganski is that prototypical energy guy that old-skool coaches love: plenty of movement and whacking of the boards signifying nothing. Gus is going to need some time to ramp back up to NHL speed, but the second he does PoGo should be heading Moose-wards. In fact, he should be there right now in place of Svetch, an actually useful player

- Enough with the 1st line out for every high-stakes game situation. They don't stonewall defend well, have never defended well, and will never defend well. A pulled goalie situation is not merely an opportunity for an easy tally, it's also a high-danger gamestate for the defending team, even with a two-goal lead, even when #WheelsUp is playing as well as he has been

- 64/88 is not working

- OTOH, Demon DeMelo/JMo is working and has always worked -- why did it take so long to get us back there?

- #MoarWinz!
 

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It's great to see Wheeler and Scheif going, but I'm concerned with some lack of attention to detail in the d-zone, and that it's going to end up being 1 step forward 2 steps back again, while point totals continue to 'justify' their roles and lack of discipline. We'll see how that goes though, they're certainly full value atm.

Major bright spots for me so far this year have been Perfetti, along with Morrissey's resurgence. Morrissey is a guy who I think plays best when he's going full throttle and playing instinctive, and it seems to me like he's found that sweet spot again. Really good news for us.

Still think we are in need of major changes, and possibly more than just coaching ones.
 
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Dillon and Schmidt seemed to play well together for a few games and then they went away from that pairing, go back to that pairing with DeMelo and Stanley and Pionk with Morrissey. You can also put in Heinola with DeMelo if Stanley really shits the bed
 

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To be fair Stanley was our 2nd pick of the first round, Roslovic was our second pick of the first round also. Vesalainen has been disappointing I'll agree, I was definitely expecting more but how long can one wait?

I'm hoping you're right on the team giving a crap but I'm not entirely convinced just yet. There've been some good games of late but some real bad tendencies within those games so I'm not entirely sold.

The rest are random thoughts not related to your post specifically.

I'm not all that convinced that Covid is to blame for the play of Mark and Blake. Mark's apathy was apparent early in the season and his play hasn't been there for a number of years relative to what it was so I think Covid is just another thing he had to deal with. Wheeler is aging out. His effort is top notch, almost always, but I still have issues with the ice time he gets and putting him out when the other team has an EN is just beating a dead horse. He's a warrior but he's not a great defender, he's not especially quick and by the end of the game he's usually gassed anyway. Maybe Covid affected Blake more and he's coming out of it a bit, but his effort has always been unquestionable, even if his usage has at times been odd.

Comrie has been a remarkably pleasant surprise. I'll confess to being terrified of having him as a backup going into the season. I'd still prefer Broissoit but Comrie has done all that has been asked of him. My only real knock on him is he seems to generally let one in early, but it seems to get him going, so whatever in that case. I still develop a nervous tick at the thought of Hellebuyck getting injured but that may not be entirely fair to Comrie. Their roles and expectations are different.

On the coaching side, assuming we don't win the cup, I'd actually like to see them sort of clean house. A couple of recent games notwithstanding I'm not seeing much different from the Maurice coached Jets. Any issues I might be able to put forward are entirely speculative so I'm really not going to travel down that path much. The reality is the organization will not trade Scheifele and they'll not trade Wheeler. Full stop. I'm not convinced that Maurice's hierarchy within the team isn't lingering and I don't think it's a positive. I mostly loved the play of both our leaders in the last two games but I think the play of the team when both were out is a direction I'd like to see the room take. So if we aren't getting rid of those guys, and I'd contend we probably shouldn't (loyalty for Wheeler and he only has a year left; trading Scheifele will come back to bite us hard, I'd rather see him rejuvenated in Winnipeg under new staff) then the only way to really effect change is by changing the coaching staff. I'm not sure you need to wholesale fire the lot but I'd like to see the boat rocked a little bit. If it were up to me I'd get rid of Flaherty and Huddy, move Lowry back to assistant. I'm undecided on Kompon, probably keep. But I think you really need to look at hiring a coach from outside the system this summer and give them the option to select their own staff.

When Ehlers comes back how about we send Poganski back down? Others have mentioned Harkins, Vesalainen but nobody is mentioning Poganski. I liked Poganski's game in the couple of preseason tilts I attended and we nicknamed him "Transcona" but we (the guy I go with for all preseason games) never thought he'd have a regular role on the Jets and was Moose bound. What is with the love from Lowry for this guy? Yeah, he's kind of serviceable as a 4th line guy so Covid, injuries, etc. and we make use of him for 4-5 minutes a game. But in my mind he's shown less than Vesalainen or heaven help us Svechnikov? What's with the coaching staff and their hate for Svech? Does Lowry have a daughter and Svech hit on her? This one just baffles me, it's as irrational as Maurice's love for "vets" who were clearly less valuable than the young kids.

And for the weather gods: on the snow? Enough already, m'kay?
Regarding coaching: I tend to agree with a wholesale change at this point. I mean, unless they get to the Cup finals.

Flaherty is a weird one. Part of me thinks he should get a pass for the Pavelec years, but another part of me wonders why Helle still completely sucks at puck moving and taking too many risks. It's a two-way street, though - goalies are sometimes not very coachable...

There's always a balance between evaluating between actual results and (the more difficult) "did coaching staff get the most out of this roster?". With an above average coaching team, we'll still see some bad games, even against bottom teams, but who decides if a team is playing above their expectations?

I am interested to see where Ehlers slots in and who that bumps down. That will say a lot about our coaching staff's philosophy.

And I'm concerned about Heinola not cracking the lineup lately after 'earning' a spot with actual performance. That's another strike against Huddy at least. Stanley vs Minnie, sure - he is willing to fight and that was looking like an ugly game. But if there's not at least a rotation, it's more evidence for a lack of strategic analysis and strategy beyond the immediate game.
 
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Och, and a shout-out for Comrie. Tough ask to come in every 41 games (yeah I know, but he must kinda feel like it to him) and play a blinder, while wearing permanent rust, but he's been very good and has seemed to get better as each game goes on, and regularly made outstanding saves in front of a still-porous defence without obviously terrifying the team in front of him, which is about as good as it gets from a backup who isn't The Buttery One having his career year. I can't imagine that many NHLers with ambitions to start want to play backup to a guy like Helle who would play 80 games if he could. Also:

- Biiiiiiig Logan Stanley is a worse defender than Heinola, size and reach notwithstanding

- Huuuuuuuuustling Austin Poganski is that prototypical energy guy that old-skool coaches love: plenty of movement and whacking of the boards signifying nothing. Gus is going to need some time to ramp back up to NHL speed, but the second he does PoGo should be heading Moose-wards. In fact, he should be there right now in place of Svetch, an actually useful player

- Enough with the 1st line out for every high-stakes game situation. They don't stonewall defend well, have never defended well, and will never defend well. A pulled goalie situation is not merely an opportunity for an easy tally, it's also a high-danger gamestate for the defending team, even with a two-goal lead, even when #WheelsUp is playing as well as he has been

- 64/88 is not working

- OTOH, Demon DeMelo/JMo is working and has always worked -- why did it take so long to get us back there?

- #MoarWinz!

My guess is they know Stanley's limitations and wanted DeMelo to be his safety net. Also JoMo was capable of making up for Schmidt's weaknesses.

Personally is be putting Heinola in for Stanley as I think he is the better player with much higher upside.
 

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Och, and a shout-out for Comrie. Tough ask to come in every 41 games (yeah I know, but he must kinda feel like it to him) and play a blinder, while wearing permanent rust, but he's been very good and has seemed to get better as each game goes on, and regularly made outstanding saves in front of a still-porous defence without obviously terrifying the team in front of him, which is about as good as it gets from a backup who isn't The Buttery One having his career year. I can't imagine that many NHLers with ambitions to start want to play backup to a guy like Helle who would play 80 games if he could. Also:

- Biiiiiiig Logan Stanley is a worse defender than Heinola, size and reach notwithstanding

- Huuuuuuuuustling Austin Poganski is that prototypical energy guy that old-skool coaches love: plenty of movement and whacking of the boards signifying nothing. Gus is going to need some time to ramp back up to NHL speed, but the second he does PoGo should be heading Moose-wards. In fact, he should be there right now in place of Svetch, an actually useful player

- Enough with the 1st line out for every high-stakes game situation. They don't stonewall defend well, have never defended well, and will never defend well. A pulled goalie situation is not merely an opportunity for an easy tally, it's also a high-danger gamestate for the defending team, even with a two-goal lead, even when #WheelsUp is playing as well as he has been

- 64/88 is not working

- OTOH, Demon DeMelo/JMo is working and has always worked -- why did it take so long to get us back there?

- #MoarWinz!
I thought Schmidt was the worse defender than stanley last night. I think Stanley is fine, not good not bad, as a 3rd pairing D. A good replacement for Beau. He made a few good passes. He seemed more involved in the offense than Schmidt. He also looked lost in his own end a few times. I thought Schmidt is overpaid for being so lousy in his own end.
 
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