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It is ok to repeat when you are right. And I think you are right.
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Thank you for giving me a pass, and although I am obnoxiously confident with my opinion on this topic, I am actually starting to annoy myself. At times like this I need to remember the meaning of what an uncontrollable variable is.
Joyous though HFBoards debate may be I am tilting at Windmills.
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Had he kept up his early play at the AHL level I'd say keep him their but he hasn't. Nothing wrong with sending Jim to the Dub. Lucious is also a player who could play there as well.
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I was concerned Chaz left college too early. I know things went south in Minnesota but he needed more time at that level. At the end of the day the AHL is not ideal if you weren't dominating at the previous level.
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Neither of them appear to be ready to spread their wings at the AHL level. I think we sometimes forget that AHL level is really very high.
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I’ve been following him out of curiosity and have to admit that I’m a little surprised he hasn’t done better. I would have expected his first season to be a out .75ppg.
You just never know with overage draftees.
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After his start with Ari last year, I expected him to make the NHL. At his age, even .75 ppg would be less than outstanding. Season is young though. He still might take off in the AHL.
Funny thing is he would have had a great chance here given how hard our depth has been hit. He's also the type of player this org will give a long leash to. Sometimes it pays to be patient and not leap at a team that will play you right away, especially if the org doesn't have a great track record like the Coyotes.
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Things could have gone poorly for Lambert in the WHL too. Also, I think it's a little early to assess anything when you factor in the fact that he had to recover from an illness and has only played 14 games or something.
At the end of the day, I'm not sure what the club is trying to achieve in terms of his development. They certainly have more of a say with him where he is.
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I don’t think it is (was) a given that he would have dominated in juniors this season. It took Scheifele two seasons back in Barrie before he seemed to be ready.
Who knows, I guess the Jets thought the AHL was the best spot for BBB? I usually don’t question the armature development plans and paths early in the process.
I think you are pretty much right about everything else but Lambert’s age. He is a late birthday and turned 19 a bit over a week ago.
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He's 14 games into his D+1 season. Maybe give it juat a little more time?
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Waaaaaaay too early to say anything like that.
I don’t know I’m just going through nball the negativity around here so I’m glad he may turn it around.
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voyageur
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Do you think the Jets were handcuffed on this one? He could have gone back to Finland and got paid to play hockey. I mean that's a big thing for international players as leverage. A college kid can turn pro as soon as he is 18, but those CHL guys, they're stuck playing for free tuition and per diems. I mean any 18 year old would like to make money that's their legal right. Hockey is funny that way, and I hope you see more young players join the ranks of the AHL, it's good for marketing the game. People want to see good prospects, not guys who aren;t good enough for the Show.
It's hard to believe that Lambert could be so effective in preseason against NHL and AHL talent, and then struggle so mightily in the A. I think the break of playing in his own physical development level might spur on a better second half, if he gains confidence for the tournament. What's your thoughts on coaching impacting his career? Mark Morrison is quickly developing a good track record with young players, is it just a matter of time? Or patience?
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Yes I absolutely I believe leverage could have been a factor.
It’s a business for both sides. The only thing I would advise young prospect/players is the ultimate goal is to maximize career earnings and the best way to do that is optimize development in the formative years.
God given talent notwithstanding
I do think the main thing that impacts development is the players personal drive and their skills/strength plan in the early years (16-20). The next most important thing is opportunity which is controlled by the level you play at and the team you play for, lastly I think the coaching and organizational development team play a pretty important part too.
Kids like Scheifele and Morrissey are exhibit A of players that had the god given talent but they both needed to take their time (2 and 3 seasons respectively) honing their bodies, and skills at the CHL and AHL level post draft.
Our top forward and top D man both took 2 years in juniors after their drafts and they were both decently high picks. In Scheifele’s case he needed both years, in Morrissey’s case he might have been able to play in the AHL in his draft +2 season but clearly the second year in the CHL didn’t hurt him.
Now if I was Steelmaning the other side I would say look at European system where kids seem to be rushed into the pros routinely? They also play way less games than the CHL so it might be apples and oranges?
It’s definitely a complex subject and every prospect is on their own individual development path.
I agree. I’m not sure who Jim is, so I can’t say for sure whether or not I’d send him to the Dub, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Lucius and Lambert go down. It’s fun watching them on the Moose and it’s nice to have their development closely monitored, but I don’t think they’re at the AHL level yet. I don’t think it would hurt to get them playing against their peers again.
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Could see a nice rivalry between Lambert and Lucious as Seattle and Portland are two of the top teams in the CHL
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Both chef and jmo played two full years in junior after the draft. Chef took a few years after to hit his stride, jmo played one year in the A. I think we are expecting too much from ville and now brad, coming into the A at 18 years old and expecting they will be ready after one or two years. Junior in Canada would have been a good place for both to start their NA careers. Lambo will catch up, they are teaching him a structured game, he has been sick as well. Probably should go to Seattle after wjc.
I think part of it is Heinola has talked about being ready and that he suggested a trade would be beneficial for both parties because they were keeping him down by not putting him in nhl.
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I think there's more to it than that. I doubt Lucious left college to go play junior and not get paid. I mean the signing bonus buys you a new car, and gives you some spending money, but that's not a reason to leave college. Same thing for Lambert if you try to send him to juniors what's stopping his agent from getting him another gig in the Liiga for which he gets paid, he doesn't have to accept a demotion that doesn't entititle him to a salary.
So there's a couple of things at play there, the advantage US and international players have over CHL draft picks in getting rewarded for their services, and the second one is I think the Jets are comfortable having these development years on the farm, which don't count against the ELC contract, getting them the coaching they feel they need, and opportunities to grow, and build some bonds with teammates who could be teammates for a while. The Moose without those 2 guys are extremely thin talent wise, so there's an opportunity to grow over the course of the year. The playoff experience at a higher level I think will be something positive.
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Signing before January 1st means he is eligible for 2-year ELC slide, according to Aavco Cup. He's having a pretty solid year.
