Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[Weezeric]

OK now that it is Jan 1, I would be lying if i didn't say that I was atleast slightly concerned that Walton hasn't been signed to an ELC. I believe Dec 31st was the deadline to sign him to get his ELC to slide for 2 years, makes me wonder what the holdup was to getting it done. I am not panicking but a bit concerned.

What’s the difference if he signs it next year? His 20 yr old season will be in the AHL at worst, would it not?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

OK now that it is Jan 1, I would be lying if i didn't say that I was atleast slightly concerned that Walton hasn't been signed to an ELC. I believe Dec 31st was the deadline to sign him to get his ELC to slide for 2 years, makes me wonder what the holdup was to getting it done. I am not panicking but a bit concerned.

I suspect that he is thinking of going to NCAA, now that CHL play does not disqualify him. He could get paid more than AHL salary there and certainly more than CHL while continuing to develop his game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Speaking of prospects,
The prospect is that Kanadalainen will be back from hiatus in the near future!

Edit: I see he returned sooner than I expected.
No problem. Good to have him back.

 

[JetsFan815]

I was thinking the same thing. I guess if you're Walton and you've gotten to this point, why not wait a week to sign it?

What’s the difference if he signs it next year? His 20 yr old season will be in the AHL at worst, would it not?

Yeah his 20 year old season would be in the AHL most likely but the Jets would have been highly motivated to get it done before Dec 31st just in case he is NHL ready sooner. Similar to what they did with Kevin He.

Anyways, hoping this gets done soon.

I suspect that he is thinking of going to NCAA, now that CHL play does not disqualify him. He could get paid more than AHL salary there and certainly more than CHL while continuing to develop his game.

And this scenario will be one of the ones among the possibilities that would cause concern. I would not be a fan of the player going to NCAA at this point.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It's really a shame they didn't draft Calum Ritchie. He is Team Canada's best player.

Ritchie was the quintessential Jets player as well, was almost certain he'd be picked by the jets if he didn't go sooner.

 

[AtomicJets]

You guys must be joking comparing him to Ovechkin... or even Laine for that matter.

Yep you nailed it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

And this scenario will be one of the ones among the possibilities that would cause concern. I would not be a fan of the player going to NCAA at this point.

Not knowing the rules with certainty makes it hard to be for or against that move at this point. But it is better than him staying in Jr and going back into the draft. Chevy needs to get him signed.

 

[Gm0ney]

Not knowing the rules with certainty makes it hard to be for or against that move at this point. But it is better than him staying in Jr and going back into the draft. Chevy needs to get him signed.

I don't think the rules will change in terms of teams' rights to a drafted player who goes to college.

Currently, for 18 and 19 year old drafted players who are either already college students, become college students before the following June 1, OR become college students before the 2nd June 1st after their draft, the drafting team retains their rights for 4 years.

So for a player drafted in 2024 (like Walton), the drafting team would retain his rights until August 15, 2028 under the following scenarios:

D+1 to D+4 in college (4 consecutive years)
D+1 year in another league (OHL, USHL, BCHL, etc.), then D+2 to D+4 in college (3 consecutive years)

For a player drafted in 2023 (like Connor Levis), the drafting team can only retain his rights for 2 years and then he's eligible to be drafted again in 2025. Levis would've had to have been in college this year for the 4-year rights to apply.

 

[ICdave]

 

[JetsFan815]

Not knowing the rules with certainty makes it hard to be for or against that move at this point. But it is better than him staying in Jr and going back into the draft. Chevy needs to get him signed.

I would personally trade off going back to Jr next season and being Jets org pro the year after than for going to the NCAA and all the potential signing issues.

I doubt he goes back into the draft that has happened maybe a couple of times since the 2005 lockout. The only instance I know if where a bride was burnt between the player and the org- former Moose Brendan Kichten vs the Islanders that drafted him. It doesn't generally happen because the same incentives don't exist as they do if you are in NCAA even if the timeline is the same.

Going back into the draft gives you no guarantee that the team that drafts you the 2nd time will be one you want to be on. And if not you have burned a ton of league social capital by jumping off of 2 teams and then on top of that you gotta find another place to play for 2 years (probably Europe) where you are gonna have to earn icetime against men and a poor performance there could hurt the prospect of you signing an NHL deal when you hit UFA via the CHL route.

NCAA free-agency is a more active threat as the player basically has a ton of certainty and a clear path to UFA if they want. They know exactly where they are playing, the role they are playing in, against easier competition without having to battle for icetime against men and while living in a native environment instead of Germany or Switzerland.

 

[Shlep]

EDIT incorrect.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Going back into the draft gives you no guarantee that the team that drafts you the 2nd time will be one you want to be on.

What if it's not about wanting to be on a certain team, but wanting to be off a certain team.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Well, Yager wasn't exactly a Meister at the WJC, was he? Compare his performance with Rutger's 5 goals and 4 assists at last year's tourney. And while Rutger is still finding his way in his first year at the pro level, he does have the same scoring stats as the much touted second year pro Big Brad Lambert. Should we read a lot into this? No, but I'm yet to be convinced we totally pwned Pittsburgh on that trade. Time, as they say, will tell.

 

[Romang67]

Well, Yager wasn't exactly a Meister at the WJC, was he? Compare his performance with Rutger's 5 goals and 4 assists at last year's tourney. And while Rutger is still finding his way in his first year at the pro level, he does have the same scoring stats as the much touted second year pro Big Brad Lambert. Should we read a lot into this? No, but I'm yet to be convinced we totally pwned Pittsburgh on that trade. Time, as they say, will tell.

McGroarty is indeed 9th in scoring on their team with a paltry 12 points on a team that scores a fair number of goals.

No great loss.

 

[Flair Hay]

Well, Yager wasn't exactly a Meister at the WJC, was he? Compare his performance with Rutger's 5 goals and 4 assists at last year's tourney. And while Rutger is still finding his way in his first year at the pro level, he does have the same scoring stats as the much touted second year pro Big Brad Lambert. Should we read a lot into this? No, but I'm yet to be convinced we totally pwned Pittsburgh on that trade. Time, as they say, will tetell.

Yeah Yager is looking like a solid NHLer but I'm not sure there are any indications of much more.

Rutger shitting the bed is nice with his actions, but we had quite high hopes for him. That only changed once we dealt him away at his request.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well, Yager wasn't exactly a Meister at the WJC, was he? Compare his performance with Rutger's 5 goals and 4 assists at last year's tourney. And while Rutger is still finding his way in his first year at the pro level, he does have the same scoring stats as the much touted second year pro Big Brad Lambert. Should we read a lot into this? No, but I'm yet to be convinced we totally pwned Pittsburgh on that trade. Time, as they say, will tell.

We might not have owned Pittsburgh, but, they got decent value considering McGroaty demanded out.

 

[Buffdog]

Well, Yager wasn't exactly a Meister at the WJC, was he? Compare his performance with Rutger's 5 goals and 4 assists at last year's tourney. And while Rutger is still finding his way in his first year at the pro level, he does have the same scoring stats as the much touted second year pro Big Brad Lambert. Should we read a lot into this? No, but I'm yet to be convinced we totally pwned Pittsburgh on that trade. Time, as they say, will tell.

Yager was named top forward of the team by coaches

It would have been very tough for anyone to show well on that shitshow. The team was poched when it was assembled. It's crazy how management groups going into best-on-best tournaments can get too cute with the selection process, come up with a dream line up in their minds before the tournament, then completely lack any ability to adjust when things don't go the way they envisioned once the competition starts

I've seen it happen to two of my kids with both Hockey Manitoba and Manitoba Lacrosse at the national levels. It's almost like coaches would rather be right than win. Surprisingly, all those provincial teams underperformed

 

[Flair Hay]

Yager was named top forward of the team by coaches

It would have been very tough for anyone to show well on that shitshow. The team was poched when it was assembled. It's crazy how management groups going into best-on-best tournaments can get too cute with the selection process, come up with a dream line up in their minds before the tournament, then completely lack any ability to adjust when things don't go the way they envisioned once the competition starts

I've seen it happen to two of my kids with both Hockey Manitoba and Manitoba Lacrosse at the national levels. It's almost like coaches would rather be right than win. Surprisingly, all those provincial teams underperformed

Yeah no doubt, this was pretty stunning how badly Hockey Canada and Cameroj botched this from start to finish.

 

[Thechozen1]

I’m not putting too much stock into Yager’s performance at the WJC’s especially when he was quite possibly miscast. He performed admirably when the chips were down.

Sure he’s a very good two-way centre, but he’s also a top 6 offensive player at that level. To see him get minimal power play time while dumb dumb Cameron kept going back to dumb dumb Cowan is appalling.

That team tried fitting too many square pegs into round holes.

Yager May not be a 80-90 pt player in the NHL, but no reason why he can’t be a reliable 60-70 point player with development and opportunity.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yager was named top forward of the team by coaches

It would have been very tough for anyone to show well on that shitshow. The team was poched when it was assembled. It's crazy how management groups going into best-on-best tournaments can get too cute with the selection process, come up with a dream line up in their minds before the tournament, then completely lack any ability to adjust when things don't go the way they envisioned once the competition starts

I've seen it happen to two of my kids with both Hockey Manitoba and Manitoba Lacrosse at the national levels. It's almost like coaches would rather be right than win. Surprisingly, all those provincial teams underperformed

In a best on best tournament it is probably a good idea to send your best.

 

[Buffdog]

In a best on best tournament it is probably a good idea to send your best.

Hockey Canada has a long history of getting too cute

Rob Zaumner over Mark Messier in 1998 Olympics and Kris Draper over Crosby in 2006 as examples

Sometimes it works out, sometimes not

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Not sure why everyone thinks players will get gobs of money playing NCAA hockey the majority of them won't. I mean don't get wrong getting an education is great when its being paid by the school but most of these guys. Do you think Bemidji State is paying guys 100k a year to play..no and I doubt even the big time schools will do that for some player out of the CHL, The Hagens of the world sure they will get some minor but Walton isn't going to make more then he would if he signs a ELC. My guess is he is betting on himself this season and wants to get paid like a 1st rounder on that deal and he will get it if he keeps playing this way

 

[Shlep]

A goal and two more primary assists for Walton. It's crazy how many of his points are primary.


EDIT: His past 23 points have all been primary, his last secondary assist was an empty net goal. That's ludicrous. That's in 10 games by the way.

 

[ICdave]

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[Moloch]

What is Waltons realistic path forward? OHL next year, then Moose, then Jets?