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Saw Murat's stuff on Heinola, further to that :



Some fun excerpts :

“His growth has been significant over the last few years,” one former AHL coach told The Hockey News via text. “He’s ready for full-time duty in the NHL. In the AHL, he controlled the pace of the game and was very impactful on a game-to-game track.”
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However, Heinola is far from a defensive liability. He posted the 11th-fewest expected goals against per 60 minutes at even strength among AHL blueliners, according to InStat.

“He is sturdier and better committed to the defensive side of the game than most young, mobile, puck-moving defensemen,” said the former AHL coach.

One NHL scout pointed out that Heinola possesses plenty of positive defensive attributes.

“He closes gaps quickly – he’s competitive,” the scout told The Hockey News. “Despite being a lighter body, he’s efficient in how he checks.”
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Jets need to figure out what they actually want to do with him and trade him if they're not going to make room, his value is only going to go down the older he gets.

Edit : for reference, here was a guy people were looking to acquire back in a PLD trade :

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I think people are low on Lucuis because of his injury issues and I can understand that

BUT

He did start on the Moose and put up 5 points in 12 games to start the season. When he ended up at the World Juniors I thought outside that top line he was there best forward. The replays of the games I just watched a week or so ago he was everywhere on the ice and the puck just followed him around(that old saying in hockey really means he knows where to be so the puck gets to him). He then went to Portland and absolutely started to tear it up with 15 points in 6 games and was at or near Bedard level of dominance.

If you take those smaller sample sizes he was going to have quite a year and likely we would be talking non stop about having a top 10 center prospect.

HOWEVER

He does need to play a full year now. He should get a ton of opportunity on the Moose this year and I am hoping he can go a PPG at that level.
 
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Joe Hallenback said:
I think people are low on Lucuis because of his injury issues and I can understand that

BUT

He did start on the Moose and put up 5 points in 12 games to start the season. When he ended up at the World Juniors I thought outside that top line he was there best forward. The replays of the games I just watched a week or so ago he was everywhere on the ice and the puck just followed him around(that old saying in hockey really means he knows where to be so the puck gets to him). He then went to Portland and absolutely started to tear it up with 15 points in 6 games and was at or near Bedard level of dominance.

If you take those smaller sample sizes he was going to have quite a year and likely we would be talking non stop about having a top 10 center prospect.

HOWEVER

He does need to play a full year now. He should get a ton of opportunity on the Moose this year and I am hoping he can go a PPG at that level.
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I agree about Lucius. He's had a really bad run of injuries going back to his draft year, but when he's played he's shown a lot of skill. He plays a strong C game and isn't just on the perimeter. Jets' former super scout Max Giese is really high on Lucius. If he stays healthy, he could be a good one.
 
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Joe Hallenback said:
I think people are low on Lucuis because of his injury issues and I can understand that

BUT

He did start on the Moose and put up 5 points in 12 games to start the season. When he ended up at the World Juniors I thought outside that top line he was there best forward. The replays of the games I just watched a week or so ago he was everywhere on the ice and the puck just followed him around(that old saying in hockey really means he knows where to be so the puck gets to him). He then went to Portland and absolutely started to tear it up with 15 points in 6 games and was at or near Bedard level of dominance.

If you take those smaller sample sizes he was going to have quite a year and likely we would be talking non stop about having a top 10 center prospect.

HOWEVER

He does need to play a full year now. He should get a ton of opportunity on the Moose this year and I am hoping he can go a PPG at that level.
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When he was drafted, I wanted Ceulemans. I would still trade them 1 for 1. But not because of his play. How can you not be impressed? Now it is just about his injury history. I'm afraid he is brittle. If he can stay healthy, we got a steal there - and he can play C.
 
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When he was drafted, I wanted Ceulemans. I would still trade them 1 for 1. But not because of his play. How can you not be impressed? Now it is just about his injury history. I'm afraid he is brittle. If he can stay healthy, we got a steal there - and he can play C.
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I think Ceulemans would be fine, but I still prefer Lucius' upside. If he can be an effective 2C, or a high-end 3C, I'll take that over Ceulemans' profile. It all boils down to whether Lucius can get and stay healthy, I suppose.
 
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Joe Hallenback said:
I think people are low on Lucuis because of his injury issues and I can understand that

BUT

He did start on the Moose and put up 5 points in 12 games to start the season. When he ended up at the World Juniors I thought outside that top line he was there best forward. The replays of the games I just watched a week or so ago he was everywhere on the ice and the puck just followed him around(that old saying in hockey really means he knows where to be so the puck gets to him). He then went to Portland and absolutely started to tear it up with 15 points in 6 games and was at or near Bedard level of dominance.

If you take those smaller sample sizes he was going to have quite a year and likely we would be talking non stop about having a top 10 center prospect.

HOWEVER

He does need to play a full year now. He should get a ton of opportunity on the Moose this year and I am hoping he can go a PPG at that level.
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The talent is undoubtedly there. Three major season-ending injuries all dating back to his draft year are a concern. He hasn't really had a full healthy season since his D-1 year. Damn shame about his latest injury cause he had a really good World Juniors and then was really tearing up the WHL. I hope he can stay healthy, I'm looking forward to a good AHL season from him.
 
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Whileee said:
I think Ceulemans would be fine, but I still prefer Lucius' upside. If he can be an effective 2C, or a high-end 3C, I'll take that over Ceulemans' profile. It all boils down to whether Lucius can get and stay healthy, I suppose.
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Signs are that he will be a top 6 player, either C or W - IF he can stay healthy. I mean, he may be a top 6 player who misses more games than he plays. He is still a top 6 player, but he is not getting the job done. Or the cumulative effect of the injuries reduces his effectiveness to something less than that.

I hope he can stay healthy but I'm not optimistic at this point.
 
Lucius reminds me of a player similar to Justin Williams who twice tore both his ACL and MCL, Achilles’ tendon, broke his hand as well multiple sprains/strains. 6 times he played less 50 games in a season.(twice less than 40) Towards the end of Williams’ career is where he strung together 6 completely healthy seasons.

I think it will always be a challenge for Lucius to remain completely healthy through a season, but if he gets anywhere near Williams’ level of play, that will still be a win for the Jets.
 
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Joe Hallenback said:
I think people are low on Lucuis because of his injury issues and I can understand that

BUT

He did start on the Moose and put up 5 points in 12 games to start the season. When he ended up at the World Juniors I thought outside that top line he was there best forward. The replays of the games I just watched a week or so ago he was everywhere on the ice and the puck just followed him around(that old saying in hockey really means he knows where to be so the puck gets to him). He then went to Portland and absolutely started to tear it up with 15 points in 6 games and was at or near Bedard level of dominance.

If you take those smaller sample sizes he was going to have quite a year and likely we would be talking non stop about having a top 10 center prospect.

HOWEVER

He does need to play a full year now. He should get a ton of opportunity on the Moose this year and I am hoping he can go a PPG at that level.
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Whileee said:
I agree about Lucius. He's had a really bad run of injuries going back to his draft year, but when he's played he's shown a lot of skill. He plays a strong C game and isn't just on the perimeter. Jets' former super scout Max Giese is really high on Lucius. If he stays healthy, he could be a good one.
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He is one of those prospects that could really make or break his group. Hopefully as he develops into a man he can put the injuries behind him. We badly need a top 6 centre to emerge in the next 2-3 seasons.
 
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Mitch Brown has an encouraging article about Lambert, noting substantial improvements in his off-puck play and the diversity of how he generates offense and uses teammates.

The tracking results reflect his high performance in the WHL.


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Mitch Brown has an encouraging article about Lambert, noting substantial improvements in his off-puck play and the diversity of how he generates offense and uses teammates.

The tracking results reflect his high performance in the WHL.


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Seems to match what I've seen. He's a big time transition player but isn't really elite in terms of scoring or creating grade A chances. Given who else we have in terms of prospects he will bring some skills that will compliment some of our other forwards.
 
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surixon said:
Seems to match what I've seen. He's a big time transition player but isn't really elite in terms of scoring or creating grade A chances. Given who else we have in terms of prospects he will bring some skills that will compliment some of our other forwards.
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He will be excellent at moving the puck and giving it to players with more natural scoring abilities or those who make a living down in front of the net. Consider he played with Guenthar(natural goal scorer) and Schaefer(down low monster) all he had to do is skate with the puck and make good passes.
 
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