GDT: Jets @ Philadelphia Thursday February 8th at 6pm

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Brad Lauer.

Teemu never mentions him by name, as most of his anger was directed at Bruce, but I found this page interesting... (referenced above)
255 powerplay goals, I'll consider his opinion. I'm not sure I've even scored that many times with my lovely wife.

This is a crazy good post, brought the receipts and everything! Thanks. Now I want to fire Lauer :sarcasm:
 

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Dug this up, eerily similar narrative surrounding the powerplay last year almost exactly to the day. Only difference being that the Jets PP had a bit of success to start the campaign in 22/23.

But there's more.

I finally got around to reading Teemu Selanne's book during the break. Two things stuck out towards the end. First thing was the reaffirmation that Bruce Boudreau has never been my cup of tea. The second was Teemu's view on what makes a great powerplay.

From page 263 "Powerplay is not science, it is an art. You trust your instincts, rely on your creativity."

If the Jets powerplay is comparable to a work of art, right now it's resembling a Banksy going through a shredder.

What was news to me was, during the last few seasons of his career, Teemu was at odds with Bruce regarding his playing time. Especially on PP1. He really emphasized his dissatisfaction not getting more minutes there. Keep in mind, even over the ripe old age of 40 Teemu could still produce. In his final NHL season, which he did not enjoy, he also played in his final Olympic tournament. He scored 4 goals and 2 assists for 6 points in 6 games and was named tournament MVP. He was no slouch fading away into the sunset. His frustration outlined in the book seemed warranted. (Despite my slight bias as I adore the fella)

What I didn't intend on figuring out was that during his tumultuous end of an NHL career in Anaheim, a certain someone was the assistant coach for the Ducks.

Brad Lauer.

Teemu never mentions him by name, as most of his anger was directed at Bruce, but I found this page interesting... (referenced above)

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255 powerplay goals, I'll consider his opinion. I'm not sure I've even scored that many times with my lovely wife.

then there's this...

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and then there's this...



It seems like powerplay mediocrity follows this guy wherever he goes. What makes his stint Tampa even more damning is that after being dismissed by the Lightning in 2018, they went to 3 straight Stanley Cup finals starting the next season. Winning 2. Unfortunately Rick Bowness was also let go with him.

All of this might just be a coincidence, but where there's smoke, there's a Peter Tosh album. And where there's a shite powerplay, there's Brad Lauer. I'd like nothing more than the PP to start clicking and for this post to seem like the paranoid delusions of an armchair analyst. I prefer optimism, but all signs point to this trend continuing. My assumption is it was Rick Bowness who brought Lauer in to work with him again in Winnipeg. This is where you have to start wondering if the Jets organization will rue their commitment to loyalty.

With credit to Bones, I think his system suits the Jets, when the players are buying into it. A defense first approach, with a goalie like Helle on his game, is made for playoff hockey success. Like another poster pointed out recently, just because it's a defensive style doesn't mean the Jets can't generate offensive opportunities from it. Having the best 5v5 team in the league can't be understated. Putting aside Coach Rick's flaws, he's squeezed some impressive hockey out of this group, thus far.

Despite this, someone in the Jets org needs to determine what's going on with the special teams and make a tough call, soon. If it were up to me, Brad Lauer has to go. Like it or not, pro sports is now a business and it's ethos is what have you done for me lately? Look at how long Charlie Huddy was kept around. Inexcusable. Loyalty should be granted off results.

This is wishful thinking on my part and highly unlikely, but get Teemu Selanne in to coach the powerplay. If not, someone who shares his sentiments on how to make one work.

As for tomorrow, beat Philly. Don't lose 5 in a row. Let's get the feel good factor back.

Maybe even score on the man advantage.


Oh oh Ponds...

I think you may have started a riot...


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Dug this up, eerily similar narrative surrounding the powerplay last year almost exactly to the day. Only difference being that the Jets PP had a bit of success to start the campaign in 22/23.

But there's more.

I finally got around to reading Teemu Selanne's book during the break. Two things stuck out towards the end. First thing was the reaffirmation that Bruce Boudreau has never been my cup of tea. The second was Teemu's view on what makes a great powerplay.

From page 263 "Powerplay is not science, it is an art. You trust your instincts, rely on your creativity."

If the Jets powerplay is comparable to a work of art, right now it's resembling a Banksy going through a shredder.

What was news to me was, during the last few seasons of his career, Teemu was at odds with Bruce regarding his playing time. Especially on PP1. He really emphasized his dissatisfaction not getting more minutes there. Keep in mind, even over the ripe old age of 40 Teemu could still produce. In his final NHL season, which he did not enjoy, he also played in his final Olympic tournament. He scored 4 goals and 2 assists for 6 points in 6 games and was named tournament MVP. He was no slouch fading away into the sunset. His frustration outlined in the book seemed warranted. (Despite my slight bias as I adore the fella)

What I didn't intend on figuring out was that during his tumultuous end of an NHL career in Anaheim, a certain someone was the assistant coach for the Ducks.

Brad Lauer.

Teemu never mentions him by name, as most of his anger was directed at Bruce, but I found this page interesting... (referenced above)

View attachment 816223
255 powerplay goals, I'll consider his opinion. I'm not sure I've even scored that many times with my lovely wife.

then there's this...

View attachment 816225

View attachment 816161

and then there's this...



It seems like powerplay mediocrity follows this guy wherever he goes. What makes his stint Tampa even more damning is that after being dismissed by the Lightning in 2018, they went to 3 straight Stanley Cup finals starting the next season. Winning 2. Unfortunately Rick Bowness was also let go with him.

All of this might just be a coincidence, but where there's smoke, there's a Peter Tosh album. And where there's a shite powerplay, there's Brad Lauer. I'd like nothing more than the PP to start clicking and for this post to seem like the paranoid delusions of an armchair analyst. I prefer optimism, but all signs point to this trend continuing. My assumption is it was Rick Bowness who brought Lauer in to work with him again in Winnipeg. This is where you have to start wondering if the Jets organization will rue their commitment to loyalty.

With credit to Bones, I think his system suits the Jets, when the players are buying into it. A defense first approach, with a goalie like Helle on his game, is made for playoff hockey success. Like another poster pointed out recently, just because it's a defensive style doesn't mean the Jets can't generate offensive opportunities from it. Having the best 5v5 team in the league can't be understated. Putting aside Coach Rick's flaws, he's squeezed some impressive hockey out of this group, thus far.

Despite this, someone in the Jets org needs to determine what's going on with the special teams and make a tough call, soon. If it were up to me, Brad Lauer has to go. Like it or not, pro sports is now a business and it's ethos is what have you done for me lately? Look at how long Charlie Huddy was kept around. Inexcusable. Loyalty should be granted off results.

This is wishful thinking on my part and highly unlikely, but get Teemu Selanne in to coach the powerplay. If not, someone who shares his sentiments on how to make one work.

As for tomorrow, beat Philly. Don't lose 5 in a row. Let's get the feel good factor back.

Maybe even score on the man advantage.


Very interesting. I didn't realize he'd been axed for poor pp performance before.
 
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One mistake I made on my initial post regarding Brad Lauer, Tampa Bay didn't win the Cup the first season after he and Rick Bowness were gone. They did win the Presidents Trophy but were knocked out in the first round. It was the second season after.

Here's a few more snippets I found from old Reddit posts that might be of interest.

These are from - Ducks assistant Brad Lauer not expected to return alongside Bruce Boudreau and Trent Yawney.
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These are from - Lightning announce they have hired former Ducks assistant Brad Lauer as an assistant to coach Jon Cooper.
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All too familiar...

and last but not least
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Wow, that is pretty much verbatim what is ailing the Jets PP.

Honestly if we are serious about winning then the org needs to bring in someone to fix the pp and wither reassign Lauer or turff him.
 

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Of course not. As I think was mentioned DoPs is "spin the wheel, make the deal." You don't necessarily want to blame the player who took the hit but you also can't put the entire onus on the opposition player but you also have to acknowledge that Acciari was skating like he thought he was playing in a PeeWee league. Heck Acciari might have even had his eyes closed, JK.

Dillon can't just say 'oh this guys an idiot" I'll just let him skate right by me. Haven't the Jets had enough pylons play for them in their history.

I'm not going to explain it right but this play, like virtually every play on the ice happened over the course of a handful of seconds. Dillon trying to cover up for Pionk letting Acciari get by him and skates in such a way to cut Acciari off at the pass, as it were. One player shouldn't be expected to do all of the oppositions thinking for him as well as playing his own game.

I don't think I'd be clamoring for dillon's head and saying 3 games isn't enough if the situations were reversed either. But we've had situations happen against us, like Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman telling Perfetti flat out he was going to high dtick him in the face, the knee on knee on KFC that drew what, a little finger waggle from the POS on ice officials. something that happened to Ehlers I can't quite remember, etc.

In the end, the consistently inconsistent inconsistisies, something like that of Parros and the Clown College on ice officials is what gets to me.
In my high school there were kids that wanted a high dicking from Mary Hartman.
 

Gm0ney

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Thanks to @Ponds for uncovering Brad Lauer's history.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Jets are the type of org to can a guy mid-season when the team is playing .677 hockey and solidly in a playoff position. Also, he's Bones' guy - coached by him in Ottawa, and they were assistants together in Tampa Bay...so, he's probably here however long Bones is here.
 

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Oh oh Ponds...

I think you may have started a riot...


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Now let's dig up all the posts from last season talking about how our slump was directly connected to Brad Lauer's absence... and see all the posters that wanted him to replace Bones :naughty::sarcasm::skeptic:

That being said, I think Bones' response to our power play problems last year was to demote Ehlers and put Stenlund on PP2... so I dont expect much to change this season
 
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Dug this up, eerily similar narrative surrounding the powerplay last year almost exactly to the day. Only difference being that the Jets PP had a bit of success to start the campaign in 22/23.

But there's more.

I finally got around to reading Teemu Selanne's book during the break. Two things stuck out towards the end. First thing was the reaffirmation that Bruce Boudreau has never been my cup of tea. The second was Teemu's view on what makes a great powerplay.

From page 263 "Powerplay is not science, it is an art. You trust your instincts, rely on your creativity."

If the Jets powerplay is comparable to a work of art, right now it's resembling a Banksy going through a shredder.

What was news to me was, during the last few seasons of his career, Teemu was at odds with Bruce regarding his playing time. Especially on PP1. He really emphasized his dissatisfaction not getting more minutes there. Keep in mind, even over the ripe old age of 40 Teemu could still produce. In his final NHL season, which he did not enjoy, he also played in his final Olympic tournament. He scored 4 goals and 2 assists for 6 points in 6 games and was named tournament MVP. He was no slouch fading away into the sunset. His frustration outlined in the book seemed warranted. (Despite my slight bias as I adore the fella)

What I didn't intend on figuring out was that during his tumultuous end of an NHL career in Anaheim, a certain someone was the assistant coach for the Ducks.

Brad Lauer.

Teemu never mentions him by name, as most of his anger was directed at Bruce, but I found this page interesting... (referenced above)

View attachment 816223
255 powerplay goals, I'll consider his opinion. I'm not sure I've even scored that many times with my lovely wife.

then there's this...

View attachment 816225

View attachment 816161

and then there's this...



It seems like powerplay mediocrity follows this guy wherever he goes. What makes his stint Tampa even more damning is that after being dismissed by the Lightning in 2018, they went to 3 straight Stanley Cup finals starting the next season. Winning 2. Unfortunately Rick Bowness was also let go with him.

All of this might just be a coincidence, but where there's smoke, there's a Peter Tosh album. And where there's a shite powerplay, there's Brad Lauer. I'd like nothing more than the PP to start clicking and for this post to seem like the paranoid delusions of an armchair analyst. I prefer optimism, but all signs point to this trend continuing. My assumption is it was Rick Bowness who brought Lauer in to work with him again in Winnipeg. This is where you have to start wondering if the Jets organization will rue their commitment to loyalty.

With credit to Bones, I think his system suits the Jets, when the players are buying into it. A defense first approach, with a goalie like Helle on his game, is made for playoff hockey success. Like another poster pointed out recently, just because it's a defensive style doesn't mean the Jets can't generate offensive opportunities from it. Having the best 5v5 team in the league can't be understated. Putting aside Coach Rick's flaws, he's squeezed some impressive hockey out of this group, thus far.

Despite this, someone in the Jets org needs to determine what's going on with the special teams and make a tough call, soon. If it were up to me, Brad Lauer has to go. Like it or not, pro sports is now a business and it's ethos is what have you done for me lately? Look at how long Charlie Huddy was kept around. Inexcusable. Loyalty should be granted off results.

This is wishful thinking on my part and highly unlikely, but get Teemu Selanne in to coach the powerplay. If not, someone who shares his sentiments on how to make one work.

As for tomorrow, beat Philly. Don't lose 5 in a row. Let's get the feel good factor back.

Maybe even score on the man advantage.

Quite the DAMNING evidence.

PLEASE use all this information and start an online petition. If successful in getting Lauer removed, you will forever be a HERO to HF Jets. I’m SERIOUS. He is what is holding this team back from being a serious contender.
 
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Quite the DAMNING evidence.

PLEASE use all this information and start an online petition. If successful in getting Lauer removed, you will forever be a HERO to HF Jets. I’m SERIOUS. He is what is holding this team back from being a serious contender.
Great idea! I'm sure the moment Chevy sees a change.org petition with a couple hundred signatures he'll make the change immediately.
 

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Example a: Hartman hit on Ehlers.

Clearly an intent to injure and he gets nothing
Yeah this is what bothers me. Hartman did what he did to try and injure Ehlers, he doesn't even deny it. He was retaliating for Ehlers hitting Kaprizov and went out of his way to injure Ehlers.

Nothing.

Dillon makes a hit that ends with a bad result, don't have a problem with it being a suspension. You have to control your body and hitting directly to the head is something I agree needs to get out of the game. But it was a clear accident, compared to Hartman's clear intent to injure (and was successful). Nevermind Hartman's laundry list of previous incidents.

Just 0 consistency.
 

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Yeah this is what bothers me. Hartman did what he did to try and injure Ehlers, he doesn't even deny it. He was retaliating for Ehlers hitting Kaprizov and went out of his way to injure Ehlers.

Nothing.

Dillon makes a hit that ends with a bad result, don't have a problem with it being a suspension. You have to control your body and hitting directly to the head is something I agree needs to get out of the game. But it was a clear accident, compared to Hartman's clear intent to injure (and was successful). Nevermind Hartman's laundry list of previous incidents.

Just 0 consistency.
Yep, they are out to f***ing lunch @ the DOPS.

Hire a clown, don't be surprised when you get a circus.
 

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Great idea! I'm sure the moment Chevy sees a change.org petition with a couple hundred signatures he'll make the change immediately.
Chevy shouldn’t need to see an online petition. He’s witnessing the pathetically inefficient power play first hand daily in practice and failure after failure after failure in games.

Some outside noise on the matter couldn’t hurt. God knows we can’t expect the Winnipeg media to bring these Lauer facts to question. The history doesn’t lie. It’s there for everybody to see.
 

ERYX

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Well, the "just win baby" gif failed miserably, so hopefully Plain Jane brings better luck. Jets need to pull out of this skid to stay in the hunt but also we can't have a meltdown like last year.
 

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Eh every assistant coach has been hired and fired multiple times in this league. I wouldn't put too much stock into it, not saying Lauer is the solution but assistants who run special teams get fired all the time. Guy Boucher had been coaching the Leafs PP which is pretty good. How many times had he been fired from the same role?

That said PP is definitely an issue and I am losing patience with it. And unlike with the PK where they may just hope that Helle singlehandedly rescues it even if the process is shit, there is no such chance with the PP which needs an actual solution
 
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