Post-Game Talk: Jets Lose, The Streak Continues

[KingBogo]

Can't complain about anything outside of the result. The team played quite well coming off an extended break. This is two back to back good efforts and if we keep building we will be fine.

Helle was excellent.

Morrissey had another real strong evening. Great on the PK, scored a goal, moved the puck effectively and continually shows he can match up and defend well against the best in the game. The kid is a gem, he has all the tools. Trouba had an off night, poor reads and miss managed the puck all night. We need last years Jacob back.



Buff and Toby had a nice tidy evening.

Myers played his best game of the year and Kulikov was solid.

CSW - Connor and Scheifele had excellent nights. Connor is a keeper, terrific speed, skill and hustle.

ELL - Solid night for them, generated some good chances. Laine has another level.

Bottom 6 didn't hurt the team tonight.

I hope our players paid attention to the Pens PP. While they didn't score they moved it around at will. We need to start doing similar.

Onwards to Columbus.

This is a very good summary. Not sure what's going on with Trouba, but something isn't right for him to be in a funk this long to start the season. Agreed on Connor. He will never put on an AHL jersey again. He is quickly solidifying himself as a top 6 player in 3 games. And I'll take the point on the road against the Pens. Walking away with something on nights like that just might make the difference of getting into the playoffs.

 

[SensibleGuy]

I liked Helly’s post game comments...specifically about the OT goal. Really sounds pissed off at himself. Nice to hear him take the blame.

 

[KingBogo]

I liked Helly’s post game comments...specifically about the OT goal. Really sounds pissed off at himself. Nice to hear him take the blame.

It's really seeming like Helly has turned the corner as a goalie. If we get this type of goaltending from him all season we will be in the playoffs.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Very good game
Hockey tonight yay

 

[Holden Caulfield]

This whole thing pains me beyond belief. I seriously want to archive the game date from past 5 games and sit down and explain to everyone why Brandon Tanev and Matt Hendricks are useless pieces of shit and why Nic Petan, Marko Dano, and Joel Armia deserve more icetime. While the "average" fan loves the "energy" and "grit" of those guys play, they reason they can make "those plays" is because they f***ed up earlier ijn the shift so they are out of position. The forecheck angles mean the opponant exits easily. I know many think that Petan and Dano can'r handle NHL minutes, but when you look closely like a GM/and/po/ You stt to imfetsf.

 

[supersonic jet]

at Whilees is very easy to answer;

at now Laine is not propably so happy in playing and his coinfidence is not near at top . very very understandable. the coach dont let him have fun. also needs more icetime. and of course better withplayers.

on the PP this team is also a TOTAl catastorphy, coaches perverted ideas is totally wronggone here also. BUFF gets someking of keerole here to surf the puck into zoun. AND THIS IS OF COURSE ALSO ERROR BIG TIME. WHILE rarityrarly in opponents zoun being, the playing, passing inside there is nothing. opponent easily put puck out of zoun , and they dont get to pass to laine at all. laine should play all time in PP to get to be able to get at least some chanche.

get laine to play first line with sheifele as with Ehlers and Little the playing is under all critics. Ehlers not being able to pass at all. he skates into opponent while they take the puck from him. then buff is at laines laine also. total perverted line sort of. non working in any aspect. laine is alone here. i dont know...there is so much to take up in this teams messing...i just dont have energy to write more about this right now...the team is so sickly behaviored. i am so angry. while players get to other teams they may start doing Points like burmistrosky, Stafford etc. due to small amount of icetime in team Before . but here at boards of Winnipeg people dont understand at small amount of icetime in 3rd 4th line is not possible make Points, maybe some by luck. Armia, one-man-Armia is stuck at doghouse here by the perverted coach must be record in League looking at skill an at ice-done-points. embarassing for player and for coach , but coach got away.

avgard hockeyprofessor

You start out Laine should play with Ehlers and Sheifs and then you say Ehlers can't pass then why do you want him to play with him? I don't think you will be happy until it is Laine passes to Laine he shoots, off the post Laine gets back and makes a great save and passes it to Laine, Laine passes to Laine he shoots scores. The Laine Jets take the the lead such team work

 

[supersonic jet]

I am confused how the 4th line was buried in shots and scoring chances. I was told by Maurice and some here that Petan was the problem . I was also led to think by all the unending hype about Hendricks by Maurice, TNSE and those who cover the Jetss that Hendricks was the answer yet, he was on the ice for only 1 Jets shot attempt at 5 on 5. I was also told that the rough and tumble physical style of Hendricks and Lemeiux will help the Jets 4th line thrive. How can this be?

he played 4 minutes almost all on PK you sound just silly

 

[ps241]

As for the game, the Jets were okay after first half of the first

Whenever puck is on Myers' stick my Fear Index is at like 85%. I am not sure why Trouba is getting heat here, I thought he was fine

Scheifele is just spectacular

Connor is channelling his inner Perreault, reminds me of Perreault at times when he is forechecking

Helle is looking solid. If he can keep this up, he might lead the Jets to the playoffs inspite of all their deficiencies

I was coming to post this exact comparison about Connor. I am glad Poulin kept highlighting it as well. Kyle Connor was the definition of “hard on pucks” last night. It doesn’t mean pounding someone through the boards after they have made a successful zone exit. It means getting there fast enough to create problems, alter pass routes, disrup, creat turn overs. When Kyle was the 1 or 2 man pressuring the puck he was creating problems on the forecheck when he was the number 3 man he has also been crushing it on the backpressure and back check stopping odd man rushes.

He has been very Perreault”esk” without the puck and that is way above and beyond because we all know about his offense.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Not sure what you're feeling there but it can't objectively be based around what is happening on the ice. Myers doesn't do much to actually generate but he doesn't lose to puck every 2nd time he touches it either. Unlike Trouba. If you really wonder what our problem is with him right now, look at the replay and focus on Trouba. He doesn't get anything done (as Myers, fine) but he also loses posession every 2nd to 3rd time he has the puck. If you messure those performances on their individual background:

• Myers pretty much hasn't played at all last season and who knew if he'd ever come back as a legit regular NHL player (and the jury is still out about that one TBH)
• Myers was a questionmark in general if asked if he wouldn't be a liability

compared to

• Trouba being seen as a top defenseman around the league
• Trouba having high demands regarding his future in general in Winnipeg
• Trouba having high demands for TOI and what he thinks he deserves to earn

I think if you look at the entire picture, Myers is doing just fine and Trouba for sure is not.

I'm not trying to be a dick here but "looking at the entire picture" is something you should do more in general as it is the same thing that you keep on missing on your rant about how valuable Nic Petan seems to be in your eyes.

I wonder which "side of the room" Trouba sits in - Wheeler's of Buff's?
I'm pretty sure I can guess.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Yeah, I don't think Connor is going anywhere - even if you disregard his offensive skills, his forecheck and tenacity on the puck combined with his speed should have Maurice smiling right now.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Wheeler 24:40
Scheifele 24:20
Copp 10:38
Matthias 09:02
Hendricks 08:57
Lemieux 08:24
Armia 05:47

8th game of the season, and PauMau already rolls his lines like he's one loss away from being fired.

update:

Goals	16-17	17-18
5v5 w/ Scheifele,Little	107-93	14-12
5v5 w/o Scheifele,Little	49-71	1-7
PP and SH	58-71	7-7
other (4v4, 3v3, EN)	32-20	1-2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

After 5 days off I'd like to think our top players could play those minutes. Never mind the fact that we were up against 2 of top 5 centers in the game. You should check out the ice times of other teams in the league and see if they are much different.

How would you have deployed them to even out the ice time?

 

[Dayofthedogs]

This whole thing pains me beyond belief. I seriously want to archive the game date from past 5 games and sit down and explain to everyone why Brandon Tanev and Matt Hendricks are useless pieces of **** and why Nic Petan, Marko Dano, and Joel Armia deserve more icetime. While the "average" fan loves the "energy" and "grit" of those guys play, they reason they can make "those plays" is because they ****ed up earlier ijn the shift so they are out of position. The forecheck angles mean the opponant exits easily. I know many think that Petan and Dano can'r handle NHL minutes, but when you look closely like a GM/and/po/ You stt to imfetsf.

Yes we know you love "take bad penalties in limited minutes Dano." How another 2mins on the PK would have helped us.

Hendricks and Tanev weren't bad last night.

 

[Guffman]

I think it is absolutely absurd that people are talking about Hendriks Corsi (1 CF 3 CA...yeah, that’s a big deal), and neglect more important things like his faceoff win % (especially during all of his SH time) and blocked shots.

Petan, a supposed skill guy who gets PP time, has 1 point in 32 games.

Hendriks is fulfillng a more valuable role than a skill guy who doesn’t contribute to his supposed strengths.

 

[folix]

I think it is absolutely absurd that people are talking about Hendriks Corsi (1 CF 3 CA...yeah, that’s a big deal), and neglect more important things like his faceoff win % (especially during all of his SH time) and blocked shots.

Petan, a supposed skill guy who gets PP time, has 1 point in 32 games.

Hendriks is fulfillng a more valuable role than a skill guy who doesn’t contribute to his supposed strengths.

For the 1 million time, you must play SKILLED players with other SKILLED players to see results. You put Laine with Thorburn, or Tanev or Hendricks he wont score at all. Weve all seen the stats that back this up.

People look at that PK and think we dominated it or something I saw a freaking shooting gallery and multiple grade A chances. The shot block was nice, but for the love of god, is that really what you need on this team? Someone to get hit by pucks?

 

[Dayofthedogs]

For the 1 million time, you must play SKILLED players with other SKILLED players to see results. You put Laine with Thorburn, or Tanev or Hendricks he wont score at all. Weve all seen the stats that back this up.

People look at that PK and think we dominated it or something I saw a freaking shooting gallery and multiple grade A chances. The shot block was nice, but for the love of god, is that really what you need on this team? Someone to get hit by pucks?

It's not as simple as skill with skill in Petan's case. He's also worse than Tanev when without Wheeler.... this makes a difference because you always need to be sheltering him.

Lots of skill players drag up other players without the same skill level.

See Matty P, Kane, Frolik.....

 

[Grind]

I think it is absolutely absurd that people are talking about Hendriks Corsi (1 CF 3 CA...yeah, that’s a big deal), and neglect more important things like his faceoff win % (especially during all of his SH time) and blocked shots.

Petan, a supposed skill guy who gets PP time, has 1 point in 32 games.

Hendriks is fulfillng a more valuable role than a skill guy who doesn’t contribute to his supposed strengths.

If you still feel face off and blocked shots are more important then shot attempts differentials after being around these boards for years I don't know what to tell you.

I mean, you've clearly made your mind up, as well as you probably have a really good idea of the amount of work that's gone into proving those statements incorrect time and time again.

That being said, neither is significant in an 8 minute sample size.

 

[ffh]

For the 1 million time, you must play SKILLED players with other SKILLED players to see results. You put Laine with Thorburn, or Tanev or Hendricks he wont score at all. Weve all seen the stats that back this up.

People look at that PK and think we dominated it or something I saw a freaking shooting gallery and multiple grade A chances. The shot block was nice, but for the love of god, is that really what you need on this team? Someone to get hit by pucks?

someone to get hit by pucks on the pk is exactly what we need. that pp was clipping along at over 30% and they went 0 for and we are complaining.

 

[Johnnucleo]

Petan - I'm still on the fence with him. He's not good enough to be a top 6 guy, but also doesn't have the "skill set" to be a bottom 6 guy. He's stuck in no mans land on this team, as long as MO insists on running top/bottom 6. Petan might thrive on a team that focuses more on speed/skill and rolls a top 9, but he will never cut it in the current system with the Jets.

Dano - I have no idea what anyone sees in this guy. Two teams already didn't seen much worth (CBJ and CHI), and honestly the Jets would have moved on as well if we had more actual depth. He brings nothing. Sure he has decent hands, and has some decent all around skills but nothing that really stands out. Jets will at some point use him as a "plus" on a trade. The guy is a life long "plus" on trades in the NHL, because scouts probably value his potential, which teams who have him realize he won't ever live up to.

 

[Guffman]

For the 1 million time, you must play SKILLED players with other SKILLED players to see results. You put Laine with Thorburn, or Tanev or Hendricks he wont score at all. Weve all seen the stats that back this up.

People look at that PK and think we dominated it or something I saw a freaking shooting gallery and multiple grade A chances. The shot block was nice, but for the love of god, is that really what you need on this team? Someone to get hit by pucks?

Petan cannot crack our top 6. We have much better players. If he cannot carve out a role in the bottom six, including PP time, then he needs to go back to the Moose and further develop his game.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Fun game to watch. Thought the Jets did great against a team like that. Helle was great after the first goal.

Loss is on coaching / Maurice somewhat IMO. A guy as slow as Laine can't ever catch a guy like Kessel on that breakaway.

 

[Saintb]

you know, I was a bit worried about the large contract that Buff got last year, but the way he is playing now makes me feel really good about it. That is coaching. We are quick to criticize Mo and his staff, myself included, for various problems that seem easy to identify. The quiet successes though are easy to neglect.
Anyways I am starting to think my impulsively large bet on the Jets making the playoffs this year is looking good!

 

[KCjetsfan]

Wheeler 24:40
Scheifele 24:20
Copp 10:38
Matthias 09:02
Hendricks 08:57
Lemieux 08:24
Armia 05:47

8th game of the season, and PauMau already rolls his lines like he's one loss away from being fired.

update:

Goals	16-17	17-18
5v5 w/ Scheifele,Little	107-93	14-12
5v5 w/o Scheifele,Little	49-71	1-7
PP and SH	58-71	7-7
other (4v4, 3v3, EN)	32-20	1-2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This can't be said enough. We're in trouble come mid February when our only good players have already played the equivalent of a full season.

 

[Guffman]

Fun game to watch. Thought the Jets did great against a team like that. Helle was great after the first goal.

Loss is on coaching / Maurice somewhat IMO. A guy as slow as Laine can't ever catch a guy like Kessel on that breakaway.

LOL...what?! You’re blaming Maurice because Laine made a bad play in OT?

 

[Royale With Cheese]

This whole thing pains me beyond belief. I seriously want to archive the game date from past 5 games and sit down and explain to everyone why Brandon Tanev and Matt Hendricks are useless pieces of **** and why Nic Petan, Marko Dano, and Joel Armia deserve more icetime. While the "average" fan loves the "energy" and "grit" of those guys play, they reason they can make "those plays" is because they ****ed up earlier ijn the shift so they are out of position. The forecheck angles mean the opponant exits easily. I know many think that Petan and Dano can'r handle NHL minutes, but when you look closely like a GM/and/po/ You stt to imfetsf.

What is with the Dano love? I didn't even notice he wasn't playing until the middle of the second period. He doesn't really offer us anything.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

LOL...what?! You’re blaming Maurice because Laine made a bad play in OT?

More about player matchups I guess. I just don't think a guy like Laine should be checking a guy like Kessel with that much open ice. Someone with some wheels needs to be on him. Ehlers would have caught Kessel.