Post-Game Talk: Jets Lose, The Streak Continues

[CaptainChef]

This whole thing pains me beyond belief. I seriously want to archive the game date from past 5 games and sit down and explain to everyone why Brandon Tanev and Matt Hendricks are useless pieces of **** and why Nic Petan, Marko Dano, and Joel Armia deserve more icetime. While the "average" fan loves the "energy" and "grit" of those guys play, they reason they can make "those plays" is because they ****ed up earlier ijn the shift so they are out of position. The forecheck angles mean the opponant exits easily. I know many think that Petan and Dano can'r handle NHL minutes, but when you look closely like a GM/and/po/ You stt to imfetsf.

Either you had a lot of typos in there or you really are beyond mad Don't blame you either. Maurice's little experiment with his "PK role players" has been such an utter failure its laughable, but yet he keeps those pieces of *** in there while giving Dano, Petan & Armia minor roles (or total demotions). Is Maurice ready to go down in flames with Tanev & Matthias in his lineup day in & day out. OK, I realize they aren't exactly flaming just this moment, but get serious -- is this the best we can do with what we have out our disposal???

 

[Channelcat]

Why were they tired?

thought it was a b2b, it was not. Oooops......although they are playing 7 in 13.

 

[FFHockey]

Cough Buff Cough

Ok...he would be the next choice for sure

 

[tacogeoff]

Either you had a lot of typos in there or you really are beyond mad Don't blame you either. Maurice's little experiment with his "PK role players" has been such an utter failure its laughable, but yet he keeps those pieces of *** in there while giving Dano, Petan & Armia minor roles (or total demotions). Is Maurice ready to go down in flames with Tanev & Matthias in his lineup day in & day out. OK, I realize they aren't exactly flaming just this moment, but get serious -- is this the best we can do with what we have out our disposal???

Petan and Dano have proven to not be effective in a bottom six role and are not talented enough to be in our top six. they are kind of in a grey area right now imo. I would like to see Petan get another shot when MP and Lowry are back though as that could be an effective third line.

 

[CaptainChef]

someone to get hit by pucks on the pk is exactly what we need. that pp was clipping along at over 30% and they went 0 for and we are complaining.

Did you even watch the game man? It WAS a shooting gallery every single PP the Pens had. Pretending that we could hold a team like that or most teams for that matter pointless playing that style of PK is really not realistic. Our PK sucks ducks right now, and that really hasn't changed for the last 2 years. Maurice can employ all the "PK specialists" he wants, but when your coach insisted for years at Stuart was a really effective PKer, it really tells you how little he knows about PKing. Meanwhile who are our only effective Pkers right now, our top 6 (again)!!

 

[Channelcat]

Wheels is crappy when it comes time to get off the ice. Sheif a close second on that front. I don’t know that anyone comes close to them in the number of shifts they get “caught” on the ice dead tired and become totally useless.

Yes, they are both guilty of some lazy changes. Your shift isn't done till your on the bench.

 

[Board Bard]

Mason starts. If Maurice puts Helly in tonight he’s an idiot.

You can pretty much say that seven days a week.

 

[Board Bard]

he played 4 minutes almost all on PK you sound just silly

So you're saying dressing a guy so he can play four minutes is a good idea?

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

This whole thing pains me beyond belief. I seriously want to archive the game date from past 5 games and sit down and explain to everyone why Brandon Tanev and Matt Hendricks are useless pieces of **** and why Nic Petan, Marko Dano, and Joel Armia deserve more icetime. While the "average" fan loves the "energy" and "grit" of those guys play, they reason they can make "those plays" is because they ****ed up earlier ijn the shift so they are out of position. The forecheck angles mean the opponant exits easily. I know many think that Petan and Dano can'r handle NHL minutes, but when you look closely like a GM/and/po/ You stt to imfetsf.

Much like your spelling, this post is wrong.

Dano and Petan have shown little to nothing that says they should be playing over Tanev at this point in time. Tanev has at least built his game a bit in his sophomore season, while Petan has plateaued seemingly after 80 plus games. Dano meanwhile continues to disappoint with his play, being below average in areas that are supposed to be his strengths.

The Jets losing to the defending cup champs, in a tight ot game, is a poor example of your case.

 

[Aavco Cup]

What as wrong with the way Tanev played last night.

CF9
CA6

CF60%

In 8 min 5 on 5

Does he deserve criticism based on what we saw in that game? Isn't that kind of stat line what we would hope for?

 

[Board Bard]

Wheels is crappy when it comes time to get off the ice. Sheif a close second on that front. I don’t know that anyone comes close to them in the number of shifts they get “caught” on the ice dead tired and become totally useless.

Yep, like they voluntarily get caught even when they can clearly see it's time to change and they have the time and space to do it, like Wheeler on the OT loser last night. More hogs than heroes when it comes to shift changes.

 

[GNP]

The problem isn't that our top players should be able to play that much the first game after a 5 day break. The problem is that we have a game at 7pm today again, and that Maurice has been doing it consistently since he became our coach. It's not a sustainable use of our top players, and it becomes a necessity because of his insistence of playing role players in the bottom 6.

I don't understand these posters always commenting on how many minutes a guy plays-like 19 or 22 minutes - I just don't think it's even a factor. Look at people that run the Iron Man- 25 mile swim, 100 miles on the bike, and running a 26 mile marathon, with no breaks--takes about 8 hours-and a lot of these guys are in their 30's and do it in about 8 hours, with great times.

C'mon-what does it matter if these guys play an extra 2-3 minutes a game ? either their in shape, or their not.

 

[ps241]

Petan and Dano have proven to not be effective in a bottom six role and are not talented enough to be in our togp six. they are kind of in a grey area right now imo. I would like to see Petan get another shot when MP and Lowry are back though as that could be an effective third line.

Honestly I am probably spending too much time on this but I will give it another shot.

To the bolded I think we can say the same thing about Hendricks, Tanev, Copp, Matthias, and even Armia so far this season at least (and I like Armia). None of them have been “effective” in a bottom six role yet at least. Would a Petan or Dano be effective in a top 9 role if the team was constructed differently? Maybe, maybe not I guess? As many have said we do need Lowry and MP back but I don’t think we can count on a healthy top 8 forwards all season. W will probably not be able to solve this endless mind numbing debate until Maurice is gone. Right now I would settle for our 3rd line from last season just to eat minutes even though they lacked scoring punch.

Anyways I am kind of getting beyond caring about how Maurice sees the world and I will just settle in to watch and try to enjoy this version of our team. As long as we have a .930 goalie playing we will be fine. Best surprise of the season so far by a long shot is Connor Hellebuyck. Really looking forward to Mase’s first complete game win so we can get a 1-2 punch going.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

What as wrong with the way Tanev played last night.

CF9
CA6

CF60%

In 8 min 5 on 5

Does he deserve criticism based on what we saw in that game? Isn't that kind of stat line what we would hope for?

Tanev has easily outplayed both Petan and Dano this season, and neither deserves to be in the lineup over him. Dano has been crap this season, and some around here need to let go of his 30 plus decent games he played in Columbus 4 years ago. I have hope for Petan, but until he adds to his game, something yet to happen since being drafted, he needs to be planted on the Moose.

Funny how a sophomore that has shown signs of progression gets so much negativity around here, by the same circle of either Petan or Dano supporters. Both do not deserve to be playing over Tanev, and it's that simple

 

[GNP]

The Jet's have more of a problem with teams like Columbus, that are defensively grinding teams, than they have against the smooth white collar teams like Pittsburgh, or Chicago. Last time the Jet's played Columbus they were totally dominated. I think they have to play a little differently against these "banging" grinding teams.

I'd love to see the Jet's beat Columbus-their confidence would be soaring high !!!
Jet's do better against skill and finesse teams ? wonder why ? anyone have reasons why ?

 

[ffh]

Did you even watch the game man? It WAS a shooting gallery every single PP the Pens had. Pretending that we could hold a team like that or most teams for that matter pointless playing that style of PK is really not realistic. Our PK sucks ducks right now, and that really hasn't changed for the last 2 years. Maurice can employ all the "PK specialists" he wants, but when your coach insisted for years at Stuart was a really effective PKer, it really tells you how little he knows about PKing. Meanwhile who are our only effective Pkers right now, our top 6 (again)!!

yeah I watched the game did you. this team was clipping along at over 30% pp and got nothing but perimeter shots thru. with 2 more pp then us they managed 4 more shots then us thru 3 periods at home. 1 pp I know for sure they had 1 shot. but lets talk about stuart instead.

 

[winnipegger]

The Jet's have more of a problem with teams like Columbus, that are defensively grinding teams, than they have against the smooth white collar teams like Pittsburgh, or Chicago. Last time the Jet's played Columbus they were totally dominated. I think they have to play a little differently against these "banging" grinding teams.

I'd love to see the Jet's beat Columbus-their confidence would be soaring high !!!
Jet's do better against skill and finesse teams ? wonder why ? anyone have reasons why ?

I would say it was more Columbus' speed and quickness that did the Jets in last time. Columbus has 4 fast lines that can move the puck around. I love the Jets top 6 but that Matthias Copp Tanev line will probably never score an even strength goal if they stay together an entire season.

 

[FFHockey]

Maurice's little experiment with his "PK role players" has been such an utter failure its laughable

Utter failure is a stretch...keeping the #2 PP in the league off the board is not utter failure. I realize it’s likely not optimal but “utter failure”? Nope

 

[Dayofthedogs]

yeah I watched the game did you. this team was clipping along at over 30% pp and got nothing but perimeter shots thru. with 2 more pp then us they managed 4 more shots then us thru 3 periods at home. 1 pp I know for sure they had 1 shot. but lets talk about stuart instead.

Not to mention the worst of it came when troubs lost his stick and we were down to basically a 5vs3

 

[Aavco Cup]

Not to mention the worst of it came when troubs lost his stick and we were down to basically a 5vs3

I think the PK is still a ticking time bomb. Maurice was a bit generous in his comments about it after the game. Maybe he'll think differently when he watches the video.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

I think the PK is still a ticking time bomb. Maurice was a bit generous in his comments about it after the game. Maybe he'll think differently when he watches the video.

I don't disagree.

 

[CaptainChef]

Cough Buff Cough

Yep Buff is the worst for staying on the ice too long, with Wheels & Scheif a close second. And who is taking all the penalties these days -- surprise, surprise, our same three "leaders". With leaders that are displaying that kind of leadership, and a coach that continues to look the other way & even reward these guys with extra playing time when they continue to infract, what does that tell the rest of your team?

 

[CaptainChef]

No win situation for the coach regarding ice time around here.
I also believe with our current line up it will be easier to spread minutes around against CBJ than it would have been Pittsburg.

Maybe I'm a fool though

You said it, I didn't. Your constant defense of the coach is just too much. Yes, he needs to spread out his minutes much better than he does. Yes, he needs to admonish vets that stay on the ice much longer than they should be. Yes he needs to admonish vets that continuously take unnecessary penalties especially when we're playing a team like Pitts who feasts on the PP & when year after year we take among the highest # of penalties & have among the league's worst PK.

But carry on in your staunch defence of everything PMo does -- someone needs to do it.

 

[JohnStaymoose]

Jets showed up and played a good game, was a fun game to watch. Hellebuyck and Murray played very well. Trouba played like garbage, was impressed with Hendricks on the penalty kill, guy gets in front of every shot. Dissapointed in the outcome but overall we played a good game, lets hope the team can play the same way against Columbus today.

 

[ffh]

I don't disagree.

I disagree a little. I think it will be fine. having Hendricks who can win face offs and tanev as the 1st unit over lowry and copp will make a difference. kulikov helps a lot also. getting sticks in passing lanes is their biggest weakness and Hendricks helped a lot in that area yesterday.