Post-Game Talk: Jets Lose, The Streak Continues

[Aavco Cup]

Jets showed up and played a good game, was a fun game to watch. Hellebuyck and Murray played very well. Trouba played like garbage, was impressed with Hendricks on the penalty kill, guy gets in front of every shot. Dissapointed in the outcome but overall we played a good game, lets hope the team can play the same way against Columbus today.

I think Fenwick is a better stat to evaluate PK since a blocked shot is a failure for the PP.

He was FA7 in 4:10. If my math is correct that makes a FA/60 of 100.8.

Not sure exactly but probably not an outstanding number

 

[CaptainChef]

Tanev has easily outplayed both Petan and Dano this season, and neither deserves to be in the lineup over him. Dano has been crap this season, and some around here need to let go of his 30 plus decent games he played in Columbus 4 years ago. I have hope for Petan, but until he adds to his game, something yet to happen since being drafted, he needs to be planted on the Moose.

Funny how a sophomore that has shown signs of progression gets so much negativity around here, by the same circle of either Petan or Dano supporters. Both do not deserve to be playing over Tanev, and it's that simple

Just keep trusting the old eye-test & Mos words on Tanev & you'll be right. But don't you ever believe the stats that show that Tanev is really bad both offensively AND defensively. There's been plenty of advanced analytics presented here that show that Petan makes those around him better -- but only ifhe's given a chance to play with somewhat skilled linemates in a top 9 role. Notice I said top 9 not top 6. A little ingenuity from our coach would easily give us a very effective top 9 who could all be trusted with playing 12-15 mins per night (spreading out the TOI).

But, no, Mo likes to do things his way, and he likes making whatever excuse he needs to keep guys like Tanev, Matthias, and Hendricks in the lineup

 

[Dayofthedogs]

You said it, I didn't. Your constant defense of the coach is just too much. Yes, he needs to spread out his minutes much better than he does. Yes, he needs to admonish vets that stay on the ice much longer than they should be. Yes he needs to admonish vets that continuously take unnecessary penalties especially when we're playing a team like Pitts who feasts on the PP & when year after year we take among the highest # of penalties & have among the league's worst PK.

But carry on in your staunch defence of everything PMo does -- someone needs to do it.

My defense is against generally poorly thought out arguments that make there way here all too often and then get repeated ad nauseum.

How would you have deployed the lines against Pitt to have had less ice time for Chef and Wheels?

The ice time came in part because of the PK and 4vs4 and 3vs3.

It's as though no one actually watches the game or takes anything into consideration when they blast the coach for ice time. It's apparent most people don't consider line matching, special teams, T.V time outs or anything of the sort.

Perhaps the forum would be more agreeable for you if I didn't defend certain aspects of the coach here in Winnipeg. That said, I said at the start of the season I was gonna give him 20 games and I'm not just gonna blow my load at every decision the staff makes because I put 2 minutes of thought into it.

I have my issues with coaching. TOI haven't been one of them.

 

[scelaton]

When Perreault is healthy: call up Roslo + Petan, send down Tanev/Lemieux.

Connor-Scheif-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Perreault-Roslo-Dano
Petan-Lowry-Armia

It will never happen but I love the look of those 4 lines.

I like the look of this as well, but modified it a bit. A few additional comments:
1. Connor benefited a lot from the Moose, IMO. His 2-way game is now complete, and is much simpler and safer than Laine's at this point.
2. Don't give up on Petan yet. He has played roughly the same number of Moose games as Connor and may need a bit more time there. There is still room for him when the time comes, as a playmaker with 2 bigger men, with whom he could also play on special teams.
3. I am conflicted about Dano but he is only Petan's age and has way more potential than Tanev, Lemieux, Hendricks or Mathias. He is a project I would not give up on yet.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

I disagree a little. I think it will be fine. having Hendricks who can win face offs and tanev as the 1st unit over lowry and copp will make a difference. kulikov helps a lot also. getting sticks in passing lanes is their biggest weakness and Hendricks helped a lot in that area yesterday.

PK in my opinion is always a time bomb even if your willing to use all your best players. Mainly though I haven't been really impressed with our defensmen's play on the unit more so than forwards.

You're short a man. It's never a great scenario.

 

[Whileee]

Wheels is crappy when it comes time to get off the ice. Sheif a close second on that front. I don’t know that anyone comes close to them in the number of shifts they get “caught” on the ice dead tired and become totally useless.

Scheif and Wheeler do take a number of shifts that are too long. Their fitness is going to be tested tonight. Maurice is going to have to play his bottom-6 quite a bit more tonight. They should be well-rested after last night.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Scheif and Wheeler do take a number of shifts that are too long. Their fitness is going to be tested tonight. Maurice is going to have to play his bottom-6 quite a bit more tonight. They should be well-rested after last night.

Easier to do if we get off to an early lead

 

[Peggy]

Jets are mediocre at best with pomo
Helle saving the jets from bad losses keeping them at 50/50

Edit: the question why didn't laine shoot instead of pass

Why did phil kessel think laine was gonna pass when laine shouldve clearly taken the shot
Can't beat stupid

Laine was trying to be cute against a player who doesn't understand what that looks like

 

[googleIsMyFriend]

It’s only a problem when your defencemen isn’t playng defense and Laine makes a bad horizontal pass. Geez, you can’t blame Maurice for that.

And Laine isn’t slow.

Yeah, Laine did catch Kessel, albeit that hook was too late.

Anyway, good game overall and promising result. This team has matured so much compared to last year that it is hard to believe. Bottom 6 played well and top 6 was sometimes even dominant. Of course Pens did have their share of dangerous scoring chances, but they are Pens after all. A very dangerous team.

I agree that Connor is now NHL ready, so is Lemieux. Hendrics (??) dude is a good fit for our bottom 6. Myers was our 3rd best defender, i don't get the hate at all... Buff was beast and Josh plays always in his upper-limits and never gives up. He is a fine player.

Yeah, we need to get used to this: If Laine scores Jets can win and if he doesn't, well expect a lot of troubles. He has already a lot of pressure in his shoulders but he is 2nd overall pick and mentally tough guy. I'm sure he learns new things all the time

About Scheif... Now i know what player he reminds: Crosby. He is bigger and doesn't whine/play like a rat. These two guys are such a complete players, very good in both defence/attacking, physically strong and they are both real leaders in their teams. Both are awesome players.

 

[kaolinite]

Just want to say we are 0-1 with Hendricks on the ice, just as expected

0-2 after tonight blue jackets are going to run us into the ground again.

Pomo must go , rise together.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Just want to say we are 0-1 with Hendricks on the ice, just as expected

0-2 after tonight blue jackets are going to run us into the ground again.

Pomo must go , rise together.

Incorrect

We are

0-0-1 for 1 pt

 

[googleIsMyFriend]

Incorrect

We are

0-0-1 for 1 pt

Yeah, and it is a shame that Hendricks did lose that win from us in the OT. Errrr.....

 

[Weezeric]

Just want to say we are 0-1 with Hendricks on the ice, just as expected

0-2 after tonight blue jackets are going to run us into the ground again.

Pomo must go , rise together.

By that logic, Hendricks fixed the pk! We are now perfect

 

[tacogeoff]

Just want to say we are 0-1 with Hendricks on the ice, just as expected

0-2 after tonight blue jackets are going to run us into the ground again.

Pomo must go , rise together.

1 pt in the standings, is one point towards playoffs. Mind you it was also against the penguins.

So if not Hendricks, whom? Dano? Petan? Both have had multiple games this year to produce and have not yet. so they would not of been the game changers over Hendricks.

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Just want to say we are 0-1 with Hendricks on the ice, just as expected

0-2 after tonight blue jackets are going to run us into the ground again.

Pomo must go , rise together.

I highly doubt having Petan in the line-up would have resulted in a better result. Hendricks won a fair amount of face-offs, blocked some shots and was good on the PK, he did what was expected of him.

Your point is pretty irrelevant to the result anyways. Perhaps Laine not burying that sweet behind the net pass from Ehlers or, how about this, coughing up the puck to Kessel in OT is what cost them the game? I use these as examples to illustrate that even your best players can have brain farts that result in a loss. What exactly did Hendricks presence or Petan's absence have to do with either plays?

Judging from your comments you are a Petan fanboy with an axe to grind. Which is fine, I won't begrudge you for supporting a favorite player. But really stop with the voodoo hex garbage "this players mere presence jinxed us and will continue to do so".

 

[kaolinite]

Time will tell I guess , just watch the record. Tick tock, tick tock

Hendricks is taking away development time from our futures. Just his pressence in the room is backwords thinking. Jets are a young team and they bring in this guy . Does he fit our our identity? What is our identity? That's my problem with Hendricks , its what he represents that and stats.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Time will tell I guess , just watch the record. Tick tock, tick tock

Hendricks is taking away development time from our futures. Just his pressence in the room is backwords thinking. Jets are a young team and they bring in this guy . Does he fit our our identity? What is our identity? That's my problem with Hendricks , its what he represents that and stats.

The fact of the matter is Hendricks is a proven NHL player.. Yeah hes older now but hes had a long career in the league.. And right now... Regardless of what fanboys say... Hes a better option than petan and dano for that matter. Petan and Dano have had chances and done nothing to very little with it this season... Hendricks knows his role.. You talk of us being young..yup.. So it never hurts to bring in another Vet to push the young guys... Thats what hes there for.. He has the same number of points as Petan does this year but actually contributes on the PK and wins faceoffs and brings some much needed grit... Im not a big fan of Hendricks but to pretend he doesn't bring anything to the team while praising guys like Petan or Dano is just a joke.

 

[kaolinite]

How is he a better option? We could have picked up a player off waivers or via trade. Now players like Dano, Lemuix, Copp, Armia, Tanev , ect lose development time to a blackhole. It effect's the room. As I said identity. what do you think the young core is thinking when they brought him in ? I am sure they are puzzled.

Petan should not be playing 4th line minutes so he does not really factor into this.

It's ugly and I don't like it

 

[FFHockey]

It effect's the room.

Because of course you know that...if it affects the room it is most likely in a positive way...not that I am in there.

There is no doubt players will look up to an experienced guy like that. Like him or not he knows alot more about playoff hockey than likely everyone on this team.

 

[AWSAA]

Because of course you know that...if it affects the room it is most likely in a positive way...not that I am in there.

There is no doubt players will look up to an experienced guy like that. Like him or not he knows alot more about playoff hockey than likely everyone on this team.

2 points in 34 career playoff games (and those were his prime years). If Hendricks is still in the lineup after the trade deadline Chevy has failed again.

 

[ffh]

2 points in 34 career playoff games (and those were his prime years). If Hendricks is still in the lineup after the trade deadline Chevy has failed again.

faceoffs pk and leadership. that's why he got him. why would he trade by the deadline one way or the other.

 

[FFHockey]

2 points in 34 career playoff games (and those were his prime years). If Hendricks is still in the lineup after the trade deadline Chevy has failed again.

I guess I was unaware that we got Hendricks for his goal scoring prowess, Offensive stature, etc. Thanks for cluing me in to that.

My apologies,I guess he should be gone then...

 

[AWSAA]

faceoffs pk and leadership. that's why he got him. why would he trade by the deadline one way or the other.

Yeah....no one's trading for Hendricks. He was on his way to settling for a PTO/retirement before Chevy swooped in. Upgrading the bottom 6 should be top priority at the trade deadline which would push him out of the lineup.

 

[Flair Hay]

Haha awesome that after a really good game considering opponent we are blasting our role players on a goalless PK night.

Tanev and Hendricks both had some clutch shot blocks that a guy like Petan or Dano may not have made. Agreed they aren't ideal but it's not their fault might as well cheer them on when they do well...

Both teams stars couldn't capitalize until Phil capitalized.

Helly played awesome but Murray was one save better.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Just keep trusting the old eye-test & Mos words on Tanev & you'll be right. But don't you ever believe the stats that show that Tanev is really bad both offensively AND defensively. There's been plenty of advanced analytics presented here that show that Petan makes those around him better -- but only ifhe's given a chance to play with somewhat skilled linemates in a top 9 role. Notice I said top 9 not top 6. A little ingenuity from our coach would easily give us a very effective top 9 who could all be trusted with playing 12-15 mins per night (spreading out the TOI).

But, no, Mo likes to do things his way, and he likes making whatever excuse he needs to keep guys like Tanev, Matthias, and Hendricks in the lineup

Trust results, he has played better than Petan, and your blind stats are flawed if they have you believing otherwise.