Post-Game Talk: Jets lose 7-2. My teams suck.

[Halberdier]

Chevy and Maurice may have already decided that this is in all likelihood a throw away season.

Why then play slow veterans with no future instead of Heinola, Niku, Gustafsson and some others? Vesalainen? Probably replace Letestu with Luoto, and it cannot get worse.

They will grind with what ever they have, and as everyone had Winnipeg missing the playoffs anyway, PoMo won't get fired. And I still think they should make in wild card spot at least with the current team.

Instead of the supposed problems with defence it seems that the lack of 2 scoring lines continues to be the problem for the team, and that's 100% on Maurice. You can't win if you can't score.

Edit: @MardyBum was quicker.

 

[LowLefty]

Wrong game. Laine floated the 1st period of the last game. Now he didn't. Also recorded 4 hits and 2 shot blocks, some of those hits were really hard. Soft hits are not even recorded, and while I posted somewhere that even Connor throw one hit, apparently it was not recorded as it was pretty soft.

And I don't think where you even got the idea Copp was floating. Playing positionally sound and not doing anything kamikaze doesn't equal with floating. Though the same guys are always complaining about smart guys "floating" when they do not go into the battles they cannot win (unlike Tanevs and Perreaults of this world, who do also fight for 0% chances). Pick the battles you can win, and win those.

Wheeler couldn't just handle the puck this time. You could say that's floating, but I guess old man is just not very fresh in B2B games. Pretty hard for him to play high minutes and the same time stay fresh and fight hard. That's on PoMo to fix and get him out of the 1st line occasionally. A long term solution would be cutting his TOI 1-2 minutes, never play him on PK, and play him on the 2nd line to both keep him fresh and spread the talent.

I didn't see Morrissey floating either. Some bad decisions with the puck for sure.


In the real world the Jets were 100% ready for the puck drop and were fighting for pucks and throwing hits. They took the lesson from the previous night when they were still sleeping when the zamboni came on ice for the 1st intermission. Unfortunately they didn't get better as game went on but worse, and did not have the energy to throw their bodies too much after the first period.

Sorry - Laine was floating too
Yes, he had 4 hits, all of them late. Not late enough for a penalty but late enough to have zero impact on the play and resulting in zero takaways.
Usually when you are floating, your hits are late - because he was late engaging.
Yes, he was "only" -2 after getting demoted.
Sure, he had 2 blocked shots - so did Letestu - did he play "well" in your opinion?
Neither of these stats support playing well - maybe if he had scored on one of his 4 shots . . .

Why can't Laine take the same blame they all deserve when they all play poorly?
Not a good game for him or most of the other key players - lots of floating tonight

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Thought Brossoit had a fantastic game tonight.

Seriously though, the Pens always - always - seemed to have someone in front of our net. How many goals came from that? 4?

The Jets never seem to think that’s a valid option. Muffin shots into their goalie all night.

 

[204hockey]

i would like to say in all this though Ehlers is looking like an absolute stud. i really hope he has a big year and gets the recognition he deserves. he gets shuffled around all over doesnt sulk and just plays. kids a stud. with an overly large chin

 

[204hockey]

Why can't Laine take the same blame they all deserve when they all play poorly?
Not a good game for him or most of the other key players - lots of floating tonight

he wasnt moving his feet today and reaching. its frustrating when he falls into those bad habits. he needs to get that out of his game like he was doing but the consistency comes with age "hopefully"

 

[kylbaz]

i dont know how you can be an nhl coach and have copp on the second line. Its embarrassing.

 

[Mud Turtle]

The Pens got a lot of really good bounces and several ended up in the back of our net.
That being said, I agree with those that pointed out how critical it is to get in front of the net.
There is absolutely no reason to be playing Letestu, Bourque and Biteto. Heinola needs to be in as does Niku. The only way we win this year is by winning games 5-4.
Maurice just repeating all the same mistakes he always has. He just never seems to learn.

 

[puck stoppa]

he wasnt moving his feet today and reaching. its frustrating when he falls into those bad habits. he needs to get that out of his game like he was doing but the consistency comes with age "hopefully"

You know what else is frustrating? When wheeler stinks today too. Why not drop not drop both of them for a period and play Scheif with Connor Ehlers just for one period. Only certain guys get the move around. Just one time move another guy when we need momentum change.

 

[204hockey]

You know what else is frustrating? When wheeler stinks today too. Why not drop not drop both of them for a period and play Scheif with Connor Ehlers just for one period. Only certain guys get the move around. Just one time move another guy when we need momentum change.

preach my man. im all for that also. i have no problem with wheeler it might sound like i hate on him when in fact i hate how the COACH has him and shief tied at the hip and never tries anything else.

laine copp wheeler is actually pretty interesting thought

 

[Halberdier]

Sorry - Laine was floating too
Yes, he had 4 hits, all of them late. Not late enough for a penalty but late enough to have zero impact on the play and resulting in zero takaways.
Usually when you are floating, your hits are late - because he was late engaging.
Yes, he was "only" -2 after getting demoted.
Sure, he had 2 blocked shots - so did Letestu - did he play "well" in your opinion?
Neither of these stats support playing well - maybe if he had scored on one of his 4 shots . . .

Why can't Laine take the same blame they all deserve when they all play poorly?
Not a good game for him or most of the other key players - lots of floating tonight

He can take the blame when it's warranted, and he is used to get much more blame that he is due just for the reason he uses his smarts and picks his battles. That's why I told "wrong game". I was following him pretty closely apart from first 4-5 minutes of the 2nd period I accidentally skipped and everything after 6-2, when the game was over anyway and I would not give a s*** anymore.

Even the SN announcers told that tonight Laine has again the jump he lacked previous game. First and second periods, of course.

As I know what is your favourite player, I guess he was not floating tonight, according to you?

If you look at the first period, I don't think you can see any floaters on the Jets side. Yeah, things got worse and worse after that, but the game was not 7-2 after the first.

 

[LowLefty]

he wasnt moving his feet today and reaching. its frustrating when he falls into those bad habits. he needs to get that out of his game like he was doing but the consistency comes with age "hopefully"

Hopefully -
As you noted, we know he can do it - now it comes down to doing it "consistently" and that's the hard part.
He wasn't the only one - most took the night off.
I've said it a dozen times - this team will not win if they don't work hard. Luck or a hot goalie will only get you so far

 

[stonec]

It's really not complicated. They should both be replaced.

A team that hasn't been in the playoffs for most of its existence has become a top regular season performer in the last two years, made it two years ago far in the playoffs and last year lost to the eventual SC champions. What coach and GM do you think are available at the moment that would do a much better job?

 

[204hockey]

A team that hasn't been in the playoffs for most of its existence has become a top regular season performer in the last two years, made it two years ago far in the playoffs and last year lost to the eventual SC champions. What coach and GM do you think are available at the moment that would do a much better job?

i vote dancing gabe

 

[Mbraunm]

A team that hasn't been in the playoffs for most of its existence has become a top regular season performer in the last two years, made it two years ago far in the playoffs and last year lost to the eventual SC champions. What coach and GM do you think are available at the moment that would do a much better job?

Likely almost anyone with a pulse could do better than Maurice.

Even Vincent would likely optimise the lines rather quickly. It really isn’t a difficult thing to do. All Maurice needs to do is give it a try! Break up the bromance! Spread the offense! Hold everyone equally accountable! Replace Bourque and Letestu! These are things which don’t consume much brain power!!!

 

[LowLefty]

He can take the blame when it's warranted, and he is used to get much more blame that he is due just for the reason he uses his smarts and picks his battles. That's why I told "wrong game". I was following him pretty closely apart from first 4-5 minutes of the 2nd period I accidentally skipped and everything after 6-2, when the game was over anyway and I would not give a s*** anymore.

Even the SN announcers told that tonight Laine has again the jump he lacked previous game. First and second periods, of course.

As I know what is your favourite player, I guess he was not floating tonight, according to you?

If you look at the first period, I don't think you can see any floaters on the Jets side. Yeah, things got worse and worse after that, but the game was not 7-2 after the first.

Hey, I said they all floated tonight - I didn't call out my fav as being exempt from the poor play.
In fact, I called out KC in a couple of posts - go look them up.

The first was also very slow - the only difference was that they were checking in the 1st and the last 2 periods were pretty much a wide open mess of turnovers, missed passes, and poor checking.

He didn't have a good game - floating was part of it - just like the rest of the top players.

 

[LowLefty]

preach my man. im all for that also. i have no problem with wheeler it might sound like i hate on him when in fact i hate how the COACH has him and shief tied at the hip and never tries anything else.

laine copp wheeler is actually pretty interesting thought

I'd love to see ESK - call it the Eskimo line
That would be one fast, skilled line - Ehlers off the rush, Scheif as the shooter, KC picking up the loose change around the net.
Awesome.

 

[Zippity]

Wheeler should have dropped down to the 3rd line. But Laine also did a good job floating.
How long is the Jets gonna let the Buff situation drag on?

 

[GaryPoppins]

i dont know how you can be an nhl coach and have copp on the second line. Its embarrassing.

Who would you put in his place currently? It honestly says more about Chevy and his lack of roster adjustment. We've needed a proper 2C for three+ years and he's spent major assets for short term results.

 

[Mbraunm]

Who would you put in his place currently? It honestly says more about Chevy and his lack of roster adjustment. We've needed a proper 2C for three+ years and he's spent major assets for short term results.

Or maybe it’s been Maurice’s fault all along (because it is!).
If Maurice split up the bromance several years ago and put Wheeler with Little, all of a sudden we have a 60 point 2C with no need to trade for a 2C. Sorry, this is all on incredibly poor deployment, which has always been Maurice’s Achilles heel.

 

[Halberdier]

Hey, I said they all floated tonight - I didn't call out my fav as being exempt from the poor play.
In fact, I called out KC in a couple of posts - go look them up.

The first was also very slow - the only difference was that they were checking in the 1st and the last 2 periods were pretty much a wide open mess of turnovers, missed passes, and poor checking.

He didn't have a good game - floating was part of it - just like the rest of the top players.

Okay, I don't think we have that big disagreement then. I was originally answering to a post that singled out Laine, Copp, Wheeler and Morrissey floating, and I found that group more than a bit odd based on the game I saw.

Obviously when you start as Laine with his 5 first games, these last two cannot be considered good by any means, even though both of them had some good moments.

 

[Jetabre]

That was awful.

 

[PhilJets]

Little
Heinola
Niku
Gustafson
Byfuglien


Hope we get these reinforcement soon.


20% of the line up to get more skills.
But with Mo , hmmm...

 

[PhilJets]

Ehlers Schiefele Laine
Connor Little Wheeler
Perrault Little Roslovic
Copp Lowry Appleton

Morrissey Pionk
Heinola Byfuglien
Kulikov Niku

Hellybuyck
Broissant


We have the depth once Mo figures out skills is better than big body.
And Buff HOPEFULLy he wakes up
Thats skills and big body into 1.

 

[Zippity]

On another note
Rug-Limited Edition

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ehlers Schiefele Laine
Connor Little Wheeler
Perrault Little Roslovic
Copp Lowry Appleton

Morrissey Pionk
Heinola Byfuglien
Kulikov Niku

Hellybuyck
Broissant


We have the depth once Mo figures out skills is better than big body.
And Buff HOPEFULLy he wakes up
Thats skills and big body into 1.

You want to start little on two lines?