Post-Game Talk: Jets lose 7-2. My teams suck.

[TS Quint]

So what does that have to do with Morrissey? Again, I just don't understand how he's being judged when he doesn't get a chance to do anything and I don't understand how Ristolainen would fix that. He'd be told to do the same thing; skate up to center, drop to Scheifele, everybody else stand stationary at the blue line waiting to dump and chase despite that being a terrible idea, at which point Scheif will either dump it, try to go in himself and lose it, or try to pass to a stationary player who will immediately get pressured and likely lose it. The problem isn't any one individual player, it's the fact that they try to do the same thing over and over again.

As for not liking the LHD, why? I've heard the narrative a million times that a RHD is better set up to pass it to Laine for a one timer. The RHD passing to Laine resulting in a goal is something that happened exactly once all of last season. I checked.

Again, the issue isn't any individual player. Taking off a player just because he is left handed for a right handed player who doesn't think the game as quickly or pass as well is not a great plan.

The PP runs through Wheeler on the right wall. The beast way to score on a PP is a one timer from that spot. A right handed D gives Wheeler 3 one time options including Scheifele. A left handed shot can't one time the pass from Wheeler. And yes Laine is one of the best PP scorers in the league so the right handed shot is better to pass to him as well.

If only the Jets had an offensive minded right shot somewhere they could try at the point, a former Dman of the year in the AHL. I'd rather give Niku a shot before giving up assets for Risto.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Well I don’t have too much to add, except that game sure looked like last years’ team and coach.

I know it was a back to back, but no one with the possible exception of Ehlers really showed up and Maurice showed that in the face of adversity he goes right back to his old ways that never worked in the past.

Roster decisions are still mind numbingly inexplicable. If you want ruffled feathers, this is how you create them.

A decimated Penguins team showed up with the same circumstances. So no excuse.

 

[Guffman]

I haven’t liked Morrissey’s play on the PP either. :p

 

[mazmin]

I’d even think about putting in Ehlers and going 5 fwds on 1PP. Morrissey has not looked good at all. Bleeding shortys already so what can it hurt.

Agreed. Try it until JoMo proves himself there or one of Niku or Heinola shows he can handle it.

How would this PP not score?:

Connor Wheeeler
Scheifele
Laine Ehlers

 

[jetswin]

Like to see Nogier and Shaw/Griffith up and Potato and Letestu down...Niku when healthy needs to play with JoMo. If the org isnt going to support playing Ville and Gus send them back so they can play. Stubborn Mo won't change his approach and the Isles, Oilers and Flames will feast on our poor defensive play. Worst defensive forward by far the last 2 games is Wheeler. The team is simply out of balance right now and the coaching staff seems unable to make stabilizing adjustments. We may have to suck until Christmas until the pressure increases to remove the coaching staff and Chevy is forced to make some reasonable low cost roster moves that Mo hates.

 

[Tommigun]

I thought I wouldn’t say this, but give Roslovic more ice time and responsibility. He’s looked great in the limited ice time and role he’s had so far.

 

[Atoyot]

The PP runs through Wheeler on the right wall. The beast way to score on a PP is a one timer from that spot. A right handed D gives Wheeler 3 one time options including Scheifele. A left handed shot can't one time the pass from Wheeler. And yes Laine is one of the best PP scorers in the league so the right handed shot is better to pass to him as well.

If only the Jets had an offensive minded right shot somewhere they could try at the point, a former Dman of the year in the AHL. I'd rather give Niku a shot before giving up assets for Risto.

Niku is a left shot, just likes playing right side.

 

[LowLefty]

Well I don’t have too much to add, except that game sure looked like last years’ team and coach.

I know it was a back to back, but no one with the possible exception of Ehlers really showed up and Maurice showed that in the face of adversity he goes right back to his old ways that never worked in the past.

Roster decisions are still mind numbingly inexplicable. If you want ruffled feathers, this is how you create them.

A decimated Penguins team showed up with the same circumstances. So no excuse.

Maurice went back to a line that has played very well this year - nothing wrong with that decision.
If you want to discuss changing up the lines completely and trying new combinations that have not been tested, that's another discussion but you won't likely see those types of changes in the middle of a game.

Ruffled feathers? I think I know who you are likely referring to here - I also don't think the team in general had a lot of ground to stand on as far as their play is concerned - if anyone had ruffled feathers, it should have been Mo as he watched his team slide back into old habits that don't work.

The major issue last night (IMO) was an ineffective PP that needs to change - and Mo referenced that point post game. This is a topic where we could indulge in a lot of interesting discussion - more so than who might have ruffled feathers.

The roster in general is another hot point - bottom six and D to be specific. Little will help with the bottom half and the D needs Niku back and BooleeO - and it'll still be D that teams will continue to exploit. Buff is the outlier that is now showing us how important he was (as planned) going into this season.

Coaching wasn't the issue last night but will be the "go to"excuse as long as our expectations exceed our talent (D) and or if our forwards do not play up to their potential (top 6), or if our PP is not rejigged - lots of possibilities on the later and some interesting ideas have come up in this PGT.

 

[kelsier]

I don't think there is one reason or one man at fault. Often in those playoff games it comes down to puck luck or a goaltender making a key save here or there. I didn't have a chance to watch so much of the Blues series, but I did watch the Vegas series, which IMO all of those games were incredibly close both in terms of the score and on ice, either team could really have won that series.

Once you get the team to the playoffs, as we saw this year, anything can really happen. Toronto, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Tampa and Nashville all had at least Winnipeg level rosters and lost out early. I don't think all these teams have useless coaches. I really think playoff success isn't a very good measurement in the modern NHL.

I've heard all about puck luck and hot goalies. In the Jets' case it was about getting out-coached. There's absolutely no reason to begin with the excuses there. It's a lot easier to just move on without such petty things. The Jets had superior team versus St Louis and one could argue they were supreme in the face of Las Vegas. Not proceeding vs the latter was an absolute joke and an a prime example of getting out-coached. That's got nothing to do with Fleury playing well, cause he did. Maurice got out-coached nonetheless and that was how they lost.

Yeah any team can win the playoffs and any team can win a playoff series, but usually the better team moves forward. The Jets had been a one line team (and they still partly are as such) for the past years that ran fully non-functional second line on aside. A team that could not explore and take advantage of that massive depth, because they followed Maurice's playbook and he was the one the make the final calls and deploy the lines.

There is a reason why he's currently standing as number 1 in the list of most losses by NHL coach in the history and we are seeing glimpses of why or how almost every night.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A few observations from last night and in general..

1. I generally view the first 10 games of the season as an exhibition season where pace and quality of play van vary nightly but increases greatly over that period. I try not to react to individual games until after that period. Getting through it 6-4, would be a more than satisfactory.

2. Last night was not a 7-2 game. It was an even game 5v5 and our special teams were poor. We were the vicitm of significant puck luck as well.

3. That said, Wheeler, Laine, and Brossoit were not sharp. Morrissey seemed flat as well.

4. Have really been impressed by Roslovic so far this year and he was our best player last night.

5. Wheeler is losing his abilty to drive play, I fear. If you want him away from Scheifele, his best home is likely with two of 85/17/9. I'm fine with 29 and 27 rotating on the 55/26 line.

6. Felt sorry for Scheifele last night. He'd come through the neutral zone on his own and be the dumper and the chaser. Only support he got in the corner was occasionally 29, but he'd invariably anticipate the wrong direction of puck movement.

7. You say Bitetto, i say potato.

8. A lot of pucks died on Copp's stick last night, but he was all over the ice...he must cover more ice than anyone else on a nightly basis.

9. Is Little ready to go or is this a 3 month thing?

10. The pace of these games ramping up can be overwhelming for an 18 year-old kid, and I am fine with him getting some PB time to take it in. One of Sammy or Willy should come in for Bitetto though. I'm fine giving Dahlstrom a longer look.

Presumably Sammy is Sami, but who's Willy? Do we have a Willy?

 

[Gil Fisher]

Presumably Sammy is Sami, but who's Willy? Do we have a Willy?

Ville = Willy

 

[Psych0dad]

I haven’t liked Morrissey’s play on the PP either. :p

I'd put Pionk there and maybe switch Scheifele and Wheeler around. It's best that Scheif does the puck moving, Wheeler is too slow and predictable and keeps negating the PP by getting the puck out of the zone himself. He could be used as a net front player in the Scheifele bumper spot, Wheelers skills are best suited for physical battles in front of net, leave the finesse and smart plays to those who have it.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

We are an outlier on just how bad we are defensively.

Across entire NHL, average HDCA in all situations is about 9.17 HDCA per game. We are about 44% worse than average at 13.14 HDCA per game.

Perhaps more telling is that the next worse team than us is at 10.67 HDCA per game. That means that the second worst team is only 16% worse than the NHL average. We the worst team are 44% worse than average.

Another way to look at it is that we are 24% worse than the second worst team in the league for HDCA per game.

We are an outlier on just how bad we are defensively.

It's early, but the question marks about the quality of our defense is already showing up in the stats.



Calculations done on the back of a napkin, so apologize if I totally fu***d something up

 

[Adam da bomb]

Agreed. Try it until JoMo proves himself there or one of Niku or Heinola shows he can handle it.

How would this PP not score?:

Connor Wheeeler
Scheifele
Laine Ehlers

But if they lose puck how do they not get scored on?

 

[TS Quint]

Niku is a left shot, just likes playing right side.

Well screw that guy then.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ville = Willy

Ok

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ehlers , Scheifele and Laine then Connor , Roslovic and Wheeler , just give it a go Maurice . He should have tried these lines for the start of the 3rd period . Man coaching is so easy i could do it .

He should have tried those lines in TC.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Unless he can change the side he shoots from he'll never be fine there. It's not his fault, just the way it goes.

He can be fine there but they need to change the style of PP1 if he is there.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The set up thing could be fixed by swapping Ehlers and Connor. Ehlers is our best puck carrier. Could be.



Ristolainen is a very good passer on the PP and RHD which is what the PP needs. He does have mean shot, meaner than Morrissey, but yeah he does not use it as often as he probably should.

Look, Risto's one of the only RHD PP specialists available, all I'm saying is that he could help the team if he was available without giving up too much. I'm not trying to sell him as some great player, because he's not and I know its very fashionable to take a dump on him.


Another thing that could be tried is Pionk on #1 PP. Sorry, I just don't like LHD on that PP.

Fix the zone entry and the problem is half fixed already. Pionk could be another option. Or changing the way PP1 functions so that a LHD can better fit. The one that had been so successful had been figured out by the opposition anyway. It wouldn't work very well anymore even with Buff there, much less Ristolainen.

Risto is not available without giving up too much.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

"That's what I wanted. He's young. He has time" when Maurice decides to continue to dick over Niku.

Niku is another LHD. So it doesn't solve the handedness issue and I doubt there is anything Niku does better than Josh.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The PP runs through Wheeler on the right wall. The beast way to score on a PP is a one timer from that spot. A right handed D gives Wheeler 3 one time options including Scheifele. A left handed shot can't one time the pass from Wheeler. And yes Laine is one of the best PP scorers in the league so the right handed shot is better to pass to him as well.

If only the Jets had an offensive minded right shot somewhere they could try at the point, a former Dman of the year in the AHL. I'd rather give Niku a shot before giving up assets for Risto.

Yes, if only the Jets had that.

Niku shoots left handed.

Our RH shot Dmen are Pionk and Poolman. Several Moose.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Niku is another LHD. So it doesn't solve the handedness issue and I doubt there is anything Niku does better than Josh.

Sami can play both sides on the PP though -- and I suspect that quarterbacking the PP may be one of the things he does better than JMo.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Sami can play both sides on the PP though -- and I suspect that quarterbacking the PP may be one of the things he does better than JMo.

Playing both sides on the PP is irrelevant. The issue is with having a right hand shot topass to Laine for the one-timer, or to pass to Scheifele in the slot. You can disagree about the need for that but that is what Morrissey lacks. Otherwise, Morrissey has shown in the past that he is a very good PP QB and puck distributor.

 

[Pigseye]

Laine - Sheif - Ehlers
Conner - Roslo - (Bring a guy up)
Perreault - Little - Wheeler
Copp - Lowry - Bourque

3 skill lines and grinder line is all you need.

Morrisey, Pionk, Kulikov, Beaulue, Beauteto, Heinola, Niku, Poolman

Play the best offensive guys and screw defense, at least it will be exciting if nothing else.

 

[Atoyot]

Niku is another LHD. So it doesn't solve the handedness issue and I doubt there is anything Niku does better than Josh.

Niku does at least one thing better than Josh and that's his ability to create space for himself when he's pressured. Myers was the only defenseman that we had that was really good at that but he was bad at most other things. Niku's and Myers' ability to have someone come at them, make a small move, and suddenly be all alone with options is something that Morrissey doesn't have. Escapability, if that's a word.