What is the point of saying this? Do you have ANY substance to back this up or is this some kind of self-loathing Winnipeg talk?
This isn't Jets 1.0 . It's been proven already several times yet people do not want to shift into the here and now.
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What is the point of saying this? Do you have ANY substance to back this up or is this some kind of self-loathing Winnipeg talk?
This isn't Jets 1.0 . It's been proven already several times yet people do not want to shift into the here and now.
Putting Ryan on a line with Kane is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Only so many goals will be scored by that line and you would be cannabalizing Kane's stats.
I'm not a big fan of Ryan. If you are going to pay big dollars and give up quality assets, you need to get the right kind of player
sully1410
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I'm not sure I agree with that tbh. I think with a guy like Scheifele at centre, who was compared to Getzlaf in his draft report, would be a pretty outstanding line.
Kane has proved to put up an equivelant of 30g by himself, that's super impressive. It would also give you two very potent power plays and two very good two way lines. You could just split time between them and not worry about match ups.
Only one guy can have the puck at a time. Watch when Kane's line is out there how much he has the puck vs. the other forwards. Do the same for Ryan. The math just doesn't add up
GJF
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Only one guy can have the puck at a time. Watch when Kane's line is out there how much he has the puck vs. the other forwards. Do the same for Ryan. The math just doesn't add up
I could imagine that Kane wouldn't try to enter the zone by himself on every play when he plays with Scheifele and Ryan instead of Jokinen and Miettinen/Wellwood
. Maybe it isn't that comparable... IDK.I could imagine that Kane wouldn't try to enter the zone by himself on every play when he plays with Scheifele and Ryan instead of Jokinen and Miettinen/Wellwood
Not sure. Kane doesn't strike me as the kind of player that's really too concerned about the other 2/3rds of his line.
Not complaining, mind you. He puts the biscuit in the basket, that's all that matters.
truck
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Not sure. Kane doesn't strike me as the kind of player that's really too concerned about the other 2/3rds of his line.
Not complaining, mind you. He puts the biscuit in the basket, that's all that matters.
He passed when he had a target and he diversified his moves enough that he wasn't failing on too many entries this year.
He could really use a garbage man to collect his rebounds.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
With a good set up man (Scheifele) and another player with offensive abilities(Ryan). I think Ryan has a higher hockey IQ though. I think it would work out just fine.
Then put Kane on Line 1 with Wheels and Little, and put Ladd on the 2nd line (closer to where he belongs as a third line scrub) with Marky Mark and Ryan.
Kane gets a setup guy in Wheeler, and gets 2 real linemates, neither of which are as "shoot first" as he is, so he can still be that guy and Wheeler can still look to pass, because Kane will happily take the shot all day.
Ryan gets a gritty garbage man in Ladd, and hopefully a smart playmaker/vision guy in Schief. Each line gets a playmaker, a shoot first guy, and a third complimentary guy.
It's a scary thought sometimes to break up LLW cause they work so well, but this just might work, too. We have seen Kane and Wheeler work well together too. Right now, Kane is just the guy without linemates because he's the guy who can make it happen best without linemates.
Kane - Little - Wheeler
Ladd - Schiefele - Ryan
or
Ladd - Little - Ryan
Kane - Schiefele - Wheeler.
Either way. 1a/1b, IMO. Pretty similar firepower between those lines. Especially if Schiefele turns out to be a real offensive threat this year.
Kane gets a setup guy in Wheeler, and gets 2 real linemates, neither of which are as "shoot first" as he is, so he can still be that guy and Wheeler can still look to pass, because Kane will happily take the shot all day.
Ryan gets a gritty garbage man in Ladd, and hopefully a smart playmaker/vision guy in Schief. Each line gets a playmaker, a shoot first guy, and a third complimentary guy.
It's a scary thought sometimes to break up LLW cause they work so well, but this just might work, too. We have seen Kane and Wheeler work well together too. Right now, Kane is just the guy without linemates because he's the guy who can make it happen best without linemates.
Kane - Little - Wheeler
Ladd - Schiefele - Ryan
or
Ladd - Little - Ryan
Kane - Schiefele - Wheeler.
Either way. 1a/1b, IMO. Pretty similar firepower between those lines. Especially if Schiefele turns out to be a real offensive threat this year.
PaperRockChamp
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The point is that in this specific case, I feel 100% certain that Lecavalier has zero interest at this point in his career to make a move to Winnipeg. Use your head, man. Think about his situation instead of worrying about defending Winnipeg's honor.
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GJF
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If we keep the same team, adding Shief, and hopefully Trouba if he's ready. And add a top 6 winger that is actually a true top 6 player, I will be happy. Get Wheeler on a 4-5 year deal, aprox. 5 a year, Little on a 3 year worth 4 a year, and Bogo on a 3-5 year at 4-5 a year.
Although if I could have it my way
Trade Burmi, Buff.... FA or trade for a 3-4th D-man.... Either FA or trade... TRUE top 6 RW, legit 3rd liner.
Although if I could have it my way
Trade Burmi, Buff.... FA or trade for a 3-4th D-man.... Either FA or trade... TRUE top 6 RW, legit 3rd liner.
King Woodballs
Captain Awesome
It's pretty naive to think that Lecavalier would actually sign here.
Lets be realistic for a minute
garret9
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It's naive and unlikely... but still possible.
I think sometimes people jump to the extremes on this argument.
I think sometimes people jump to the extremes on this argument.
Please, don't ask me to use my damned head. I am sick and tired of people assuming that every player that is a free agent considers Winnipeg a wasteland. How in the hell do you know what is going through Vincent Lecavalier's mind? Maybe he wants to stay in Florida. Maybe he wants to go to a contender? Perhaps there are people in the Jets organization he knows? Maybe he wants to come to a prairie city for his family's sake.
For you to blindly assume that some player just doesn't want to come here OR to assume I am just defending Winnipeg's honor is hardly using YOUR head. I'd like to know, instead of these feelings you have, any IOTA of fact you've used to come up with your 100% certainty. SURELY you would have FACTS to be that certain, no?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't Kane struggle when playing with Wheeler? Didn't Wheels get frustrated a bit with his selfish play with the puck? It may have been earlier in the season.
Either way I still see Kane and Ryan as guys who want the puck. That could be trouble on the same line.
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garret9
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I don't know about getting frustrated...
I know that when they got separated Noel pointed out to their +/- which was hardly fair...
At that time Wheeler and Kane were in bottom 10 of the league for SV% when they were on the ice (and no that isn't an indicator of poor defensive play, as at that time so was Mike Richards).
They do do well together.
2011-12 and 2012-13 season's combined:
56% of goals
51% of possession
(That includes their TOI with the Jokinen)
People then kept saying Wheeler and Kane were doing bad at that time.
My opinion was different but meh.
Huffer
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I've brought his name up plenty of times as the type of guy the Jets should target.
Perron, Oshi, Stewart - from St. Louis
Purcell from Tampa
etc
Guys that are legit top 6'ers, but are not rentals.
Out of the players you mentioned, which one would you like to get Huffer? I think the player that is best suites to play with E. Kane is Jakub Voracek(don't think we can get him), he can assist and score and is very good everywhere.
Huffer
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Tough to say, and I'm not dodging your question.
To me it all depends on the cost. Voracek would be awesome, but he would cost a tonne. So we'd be giving up comparative value to get him, and as a result, probably be at a net 0 for talent overall.
I was hoping that guys like Stewart, Oshi, Perron, Purcell, Stastny, etc, may be guys you could possibly get without sending a comparable roster player in return due to either their teams cap situation, or roster makeup (Stastny).
I don't know if the Lightning are still looking to shed salary, but Purcell seems like an excellent fit as a second line RW, and I "think" he should cost the least of the guys I listed.
I also don't know if Stastny is available, or if they are going to move him over to wing if they draft Mackinnon. He would be a great guy to get as centres are worth their weight in gold, but the cost to acquire is a factor, as well as his contract. I wouldn't want to spend the assets to get him without an extension.
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Weird. I wouldn't mind Coburn as the 2nd pair LHD. I think people would have to temper their expectations (or read the flyers board to see how much he has struggled lately).
Not interested if we had to give up a lot though.
Is this just a glitch though? When you go to the roster page I don't see his name.
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