Post-Game Talk: Jets do enough to lose 4-2

[Mbraunm]

This keep has chronic issues with rotten leadership, lack of accountability, lack of defensive structure, no identity…nor desire.
This is symptomatic of poor coaching and internal leadership.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Just want us to get a wild card spot.

 

[Mbraunm]

We need a coach to come in from outside of this organization. We also need to change the leadership in the dressing room.

 

[jefferoni]

A pair of Lowrys with a Fly kicker... for the loss...

 

[LowLefty]

we know bruce, we know...

I'm sure once we get one of those new "systems", the laws of physics will no longer apply - small moves big every time.
Maybe it's all about leverage . . . pry them out of the crease maybe?

 

[LowLefty]

A pair of Lowrys with a Fly kicker... for the loss...

No, the difference was the missed second period and the PP - Dillon was just another factor that is easy to point at without the whole team taking the blame.

 

[gojetsgo]

I'm sure once we get one of those new "systems", the laws of physics will no longer apply - small moves big every time.
Maybe it's all about leverage . . . pry them out of the crease maybe?

yes, I get it, you don't think systems matter in hockey...

 

[LowLefty]

yes, I get it, you don't think systems matter in hockey...

I don't think you do get it -
Even after watching our D get run over every night -
Like I said, I look forward to the system that will help us contend with our guys getting run over net front or in the cycle.

 

[surixon]

I don't think you do get it -
Even after watching our D get run over every night -
Like I said, I look forward to the system that will help us contend with our guys getting run over net front or in the cycle.

Our big guys suck at clearing the crease as well and we've gone through a number of big dmen the last three years. It doesn't matter how big your players are if we keep allowing other teams to set up shop behind the last layer of our players.

It would be one thing if our players were actively trying to clear the crease and failing at it but they aren't even in a position to do so most of the time. Our PK is set up in a way that allows teams to have players right infront while they try to pressure and take away passes instead.

Until we see what a completely revamped and current defensive scheme can do with this group I don't want to make changes.

 

[gojetsgo]

I don't think you do get it -
Even after watching our D get run over every night -
Like I said, I look forward to the system that will help us contend with our guys getting run over net front or in the cycle.

I don't think you get it.... it's not just the small guys that are having issues it's ALL of our dmen. you could make your argument if we had tried new systems and it was just our smaller guys getting out muscled but it's not, it doesn't matter who is on the ice nobody is in position to clear the front... and I'm tired of having this exact same argument with you so w/e go ahead and enjoy the last word I am done..

 

[LowLefty]

Our big guys suck at clearing the crease as well and we've gone through a number of big dmen the last three years. It doesn't matter how big your players are if we keep allowing other teams to set up shop behind the last layer of our players.

It would be one thing if our players were actively trying to clear the crease and failing at it but they aren't even in a position to do so moat of the time. Our PK is set up in a way that allows teams to have players right infront while they try to pressure and take away passes instead.

Teams do what ever they want in our zone.
Setting up behind our players? Yup. They also set up in front of our players, along side, or whatever - we can't stop them.
How many board battles do we win in our zone? Why do teams cycle endlessly and effortlessly in our zone? Why do they set up shop any where they want?
It's because we can't shut down nothing - we are run over.

Our guys are trying to clear the front and defend - they just can't match up.
Teams go right through them -

 

[gojetsgo]

what's f***ing hilarious is that boston had the 2 smallest defensemen in the game...

 

[JetsFan815]

To think that some were seriously suggesting that they keep Copp/Stastny as "own rentals". I am glad they lost this game after the garbage 2nd.

 

[GNP]

I have to agree with the Boston coach, that the Jets have a couple undersized defenseman, and statistically, thay are poor at defending the slot area. They are just not big enough. I think Morrissey ( although small) is really good, and makes up for his lack of size with great talent. I would definitely keep Dillon and likely Stanley, but I'd look to trade off Schmidt and especially Pionk, as he think he's just too small, and teams will capitalize on this.

I think Pionk would bring a good return, and we could get someone with size and talent. You could also start to develop Samberg and Chisholm, who both are a good size I believe. I think the Jet's weakness is small defenseman.

I think the Jets must do this to be a contender, but when Chevy talked to Sara Orlesky, Chevy said he wasn't looking to do anything with the defense, so I guess he thinks he's OK there, and I don't agree with this. This was when they were discussing what would be done before the trade deadline.

This is why when big Buff was here, we were very hard to beat. We had all big defenseman, in Trouba, Myers, Chiarot and Buff. Those guys were all a very good size. These are the kind of guys I'd look for.

 

[JetsFan815]

Tiny 5'7 Tobias Enstrom could out box-out any current Jets d-man in front of the net.

 

[surixon]

Teams do what ever they want in our zone.
Setting up behind our players? Yup. They also set up in front of our players, along side, or whatever - we can't stop them.
How many board battles do we win in our zone? Why do teams cycle endlessly and effortlessly in our zone? Why do they set up shop any where they want?
It's because we can't shut down nothing - we are run over.

Our guys are trying to clear the front and defend - they just can't match up.
Teams go right through them -

Well we have a tonne of cash tied up in this group so it is likely staying the same. We aren't getting the big number 1 dmen you want anytime soon so we need a new coach to come in and derive something to make this group functional.

 

[LowLefty]

Tiny 5'7 Tobias Enstrom could out box-out any current Jets d-man.

Good point - too bad our guys can't do that.
Every team has a couple of smaller guys on the blue line -
They are usually skilled, ,smart and fast - they get it done without the weight.
But if you don't have a bunch of guys like that (because they don't grow on trees), you mix in a few heavier guys with enough skill to get the job done.

We have too many small dmen that are not highly skilled - so they get run over.
If only a system change could turn them all into Toby's

 

[None]

what's f***ing hilarious is that boston had the 2 smallest defensemen in the game...

Jets Defense avg. Height: 188cm (185cm without Stanley)
Jets Defense avg. Weight: 92kg (90kg without Stanley)

Bruins Defense avg. Height: 185cm
Bruins Defense avg. Weight: 89kg

 

[WPGChief]

The top 5 best seasons for a Jets defenceman in Evolving-Hockey's xGA/60 RAPM:

1. 2017-18 Enstrom at -0.290
2. 2020-21 DeMelo at -0.214
3. 2021-22 DeMelo at -0.193
4. 2015-16 Trouba at -0.137 (the "paired with Mark Stuart" season)
5. 2017-18 Morrissey at -0.130

But sure, tell me more about how Bruce Cassidy's comments about how the Jets don't defend the slot is clearly about exploiting smaller-sized defencemen and definitely not the rotating door of big defencemen who don't actually do much net-front and suck at clearing the puck so they spend more time in the defensive zone.

 

[LowLefty]

Well we have a tonne of cash tied up in this group so it is likely staying the same. We aren't getting the big number 1 dmen you want anytime soon so we need a new coach to come in and derive something to make this group functional.

I didn't say anything about getting a big #1 dman -
What I am saying is we have too much money tied up in defensemen that are not good defensemen.
There's no easy fix - more reason to waive goodbye to Chevy - he's the one that paid Pionk almost 6M and added Smitty at a similar number.
You'll never move Smitty and we could find ourselves in the same boat with Pionk unless he decides to pretend it's another contract year.
These are GM mistakes - both these guys cannot defend

 

[surixon]

The top 5 best seasons for a Jets defenceman in Evolving-Hockey's xGA/60 RAPM:

1. 2017-18 Enstrom at -0.290
2. 2020-21 DeMelo at -0.214
3. 2021-22 DeMelo at -0.193
4. 2015-16 Trouba at -0.137 (the "paired with Mark Stuart" season)
5. 2017-18 Morrissey at -0.130

But sure, tell me more about how Bruce Cassidy's comments about how the Jets don't defend the slot is clearly about exploiting smaller-sized defencemen and definitely not the rotating door of big defencemen who don't actually do much net-front and suck at clearing the puck so they spend more time in the defensive zone.

Exactly. It's a matter of talent not size to me. It would be great if we had a Headmon or heck another big guy like Trouba who could play extremely well but we don't.

We have big, generally poor positional dme like Stanley that just run around in their end against good players.

 

[None]

Tiny 5'7 Tobias Enstrom could out box-out any current Jets d-man in front of the net.

The top 5 best seasons for a Jets defenceman in Evolving-Hockey's xGA/60 RAPM:

1. 2017-18 Enstrom at -0.290

Benched for Kulikov who came into the elimination game against Vegas without playing for 2 months. And then Enstrom left the team that offseason on (reportedly) bad terms.

Thanks Maurice.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Did not like the penalty on stanimal teams know any contact in front of crease and he’ll get a penalty. That third goal was Demelo’s guy.

 

[surixon]

I didn't say anything about getting a big #1 dman -
What I am saying is we have too much money tied up in defensemen that are not good defensemen.
There's no easy fix - more reason to waive goodbye to Chevy - he's the one that paid Pionk almost 6M and added Smitty at a similar number.
You'll never move Smitty and we could find ourselves in the same boat with Pionk unless he decides to pretend it's another contract year.
These are GM mistakes - both these guys cannot defend

Pionk had back to back seasons pacing well over 40 points while being adequate defensively. Those types of dmen get paid. Chevy paid market rate for him. He's having a poor year this year but he earned that contract.

I do agree that with Pionk Schmidt is pretty redundant. Having said that the guy brought in to shore the team up defensively in Dillion has been a collosal failure. It's not just the one dimensional offensive guys that have let this team down this year.

What the team needs is more multidimensional dmen like Morrissey that do both well.

 

[GNP]

I didn't say anything about getting a big #1 dman -
What I am saying is we have too much money tied up in defensemen that are not good defensemen.
There's no easy fix - more reason to waive goodbye to Chevy - he's the one that paid Pionk almost 6M and added Smitty at a similar number.
You'll never move Smitty and we could find ourselves in the same boat with Pionk unless he decides to pretend it's another contract year.
These are GM mistakes - both these guys cannot defend

Totally agree with this post, and the first guy I'd be looking to get rid of is Pionk, especially considering he's making around $ 6 mil per year. I think he's a little above average defenseman, but not worth $ 6 mil, and neither is Schmidt, and these are both big mistakes by Chevy, who was in a bind for D- men, and panicked a bit, to fill some holes.