Jets being good should be more surprising

[Mortimer Snerd]

Regarding the overpaying to come here argument: I am pretty sure Olli Jokinen was overpaid back in the days. At least I remember it being the common opinion "definitiely overpaid a bit but doesn't matter as it's only 2 years and they have so much cap space anyway".

I don't think so. He was the top UFA C available that year. If he was overpaid it was only by the amount that UFAs typically get through the auction process. To get the player you generally need to make the top offer so it is always going to trend to the high end of the range.

Can't find contract details, so going by memory.

 

[Shlep]

Jets are dominating lower teams but this upcoming stretch will be telling. We've had a very favorable schedule thus far and won't have our first back to back until the 22nd-23rd. Not that I'm not incredibly happy or enjoying it.

 

[abax44]

You should try the ":sarcasm :" emoji...

And you should try the "" emoji...

 

[Adam da bomb]

Jets are dominating lower teams but this upcoming stretch will be telling. We've had a very favorable schedule thus far and won't have our first back to back until the 22nd-23rd. Not that I'm not incredibly happy or enjoying it.

Is tb a lower team?

 

[abax44]

I don't think so. He was the top UFA C available that year. If he was overpaid it was only by the amount that UFAs typically get through the auction process. To get the player you generally need to make the top offer so it is always going to trend to the high end of the range.

Can't find contract details, so going by memory.

Olli Jokinen signed a 2 year , $9,000,000 contract with the Winnipeg Jets, including $250,000 signing bonus, $9,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,500,000.

 

[Shlep]

Is tb a lower team?

They're one game above .500 and don't have great underlying numbers, they're definitely not world beaters at the moment. Minnesota would have been the better example to use.

 

[Adam da bomb]

They're one game above .500 and don't have great underlying numbers, they're definitely not world beaters at the moment. Minnesota would have been the better example to use.

If I followed the standings yes. Just tb is generally considered a stronger team. Like I still respect Boston even if they have a weaker record this season.

 

[Gil Fisher]

And you should try the "" emoji...

That's clearly turkey bacon, indicating you are trolling the population.

 

[Jets 31]

-Miller was a sneaky good pick up
- Names ov was a good pick up and signed here for 2 years because he had played for Bowness coach b4
- Baron was a steal in the Copp trade as well as Lambert
- Best trade and signing was Nino reider …. I thought we picked him up for a 2nd rounder at the deadline and we were going to recoup that 2 nd rounder the following year as he was signed for the extra year… I did not think he would be willing to stay for 3 more years at the same$$… He was a top 7-8 pick in his draft year.

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Agree but i think Chevy's best trade was Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and a second round pick for Dubois. LA couldn't get rid of Dubois fast enough and got nothing for Dubois.

 

[Shlep]

If I followed the standings yes. Just tb is generally considered a stronger team. Like I still respect Boston even if they have a weaker record this season.

Tampa isn't the team they used to be. Their forward depth is abysmal, with Point injured they have Nick Paul and Mitchell Chaffee on their 2nd line.

 

[abax44]

That's clearly turkey bacon, indicating you are trolling the population.

Dogs won't know it's not... BACON!!!!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agree but i think Chevy's best trade was Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and a second round pick for Dubois. LA couldn't get rid of Dubois fast enough and got nothing for Dubois.

One poster I saw said that PLD is playing much better this season than his point totals would indicate. So far, Caps haven't got much out of him but he still may flourish there.

Vilardi alone could be good return on PLD. Or he could continue to have injury issues until he gets worn out. Kupari still can't find the net and Iafallo was basically a cap dump, though still useful. The best piece in that deal could end up being the 2nd. I like Freij's potential and we need LHD in the system.

I'd say his best trade was Copp for Morgan Barron, Brad Lambert, Elias Salomonsson and Thomas Milic. All futures except for Barron and he was young. But a lot of potential there.

 

[Jets 31]

One poster I saw said that PLD is playing much better this season than his point totals would indicate. So far, Caps haven't got much out of him but he still may flourish there.

Vilardi alone could be good return on PLD. Or he could continue to have injury issues until he gets worn out. Kupari still can't find the net and Iafallo was basically a cap dump, though still useful. The best piece in that deal could end up being the 2nd. I like Freij's potential and we need LHD in the system.

I'd say his best trade was Copp for Morgan Barron, Brad Lambert, Elias Salomonsson and Thomas Milic. All futures except for Barron and he was young. But a lot of potential there.

That was a good trade yes i agree but when everyone knew Dubois wanted out, to get 3 players back that are all playing in our starting lineup that is a homerun of a trade especially when the team is playing so good.

 

[surixon]

Tampa isn't the team they used to be. Their forward depth is abysmal, with Point injured they have Nick Paul and Mitchell Chaffee on their 2nd line.

They srent but they were comfortably in the playoffs until they faced us. They lost their number 1C that game which really hurts. We've seen how we've looked without Scheifele.

 

[DRW204]

Do you always take posts on the internet literally? The 3 or 4 other people that liked the post clearly picked up on the sarcasm.

You really don't know who you're dealing with lol

 

[DRW204]

Lol that's one ufa contract. Maybe you can include Mason too. But really the Jets aren't huge players in UFA which avoids them from getting bad long term contracts. Players like Ladd declined the Jets in 2016 or Frolik previously, and supposedly Alzner.

This is where "Winnipeg" may be an indirect advantage of avoid signing bad UFA deals. I've seen many posts of Winnipeg not being a UFA destination, and at the same time, shit on the UFA market or July 1 contracts signed. So if most of the long term UFA deal suck and Winnipeg isn't on the short list of attractive teams, think more should be fine with that

You are right, there aren’t many. I might include Schmidt in the same vein. He wasn’t a UFA but his acquisition, with his contract was a result of not being able to get a NHL UFA defender. He was overpaid and it still cost a 3rd.

I think Chevy does a good job not losing his damn mind on UFAs as well. We always hear how the Jets were in on players but wouldn’t offer enough. Once in a rare while we get to hear an example like Monahan last year or Ladd waaay back when, ok so there might only be two examples. Monahan will probably be good for a year or two but he has quite the injury history that doesn’t make me confident he will be worth. $5.5m X 5. Once you sign that contract it becomes an anchor on all other options that may come at 2C.

and can be argued more advantageous.

Where Winnipeg does well is when they trade for a player and they extend here later (ie nino, demelo, vlad, stastny for example). I think Winnipeg does adequately in the mid level player market.

I liked Schmidt but clearly overpaid. Nearin the end of his tenure the Jets may have wished he scoffed at the city and did not approve a trade to Winnipeg

But for real, whenever I see the excuse or sentiment that WPG is not a haven for high profile UFAs, to me that's a blessing in disguise and has probably avoided millions of US dollars in bad deals.

 

[Buffdog]

I liked Schmidt but clearly overpaid. Nearin the end of his tenure the Jets may have wished he scoffed at the city and did not approve a trade to Winnipeg

But for real, whenever I see the excuse or sentiment that WPG is not a haven for high profile UFAs, to me that's a blessing in disguise and has probably avoided millions of US dollars in bad deals.

Helped us from some bad deals with current Jets hitting UFA also. IIRC both Ladd and Monahan passed on big deals from Chevy to go elsewhwre

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That was a good trade yes i agree but when everyone knew Dubois wanted out, to get 3 players back that are all playing in our starting lineup that is a homerun of a trade especially when the team is playing so good.

Sure, under the circumstances it was a great return. It would be nice to be able to say the trade was good without the qualifier of "under the circumstances". Just like it would be nice to be able to say that Stanley skates well, without the "for his size" qualifier.

I think that the Copp trade is a rare instance of that from Chevy. He was going to leave as a UFA and got the TD return. Leaving as a FA is pretty common at the TD, so no qualifier needed.

 

[raideralex99]

That was a good trade yes i agree but when everyone knew Dubois wanted out, to get 3 players back that are all playing in our starting lineup that is a homerun of a trade especially when the team is playing so good.

While PLD did not pan out in LA but if it did that would have been a good trade for the Kings.
#1 Center for a top 6 forward and 2 bottom six forwards at basically the same SC. I give credit to Blake he took a swing and missed but at least he tried and that worked out great for the Jets.
Speaking of PLD I watched a Caps and while he did not show up on the scoresheet he made nice plays and looked ok for now plus the Caps are off to a good start.
I hear Barry Trotz is ready to make some moves if things don't improve in Nashville ... time for Chevy to sniff around?

 

[KingBogo]

Sure, under the circumstances it was a great return. It would be nice to be able to say the trade was good without the qualifier of "under the circumstances". Just like it would be nice to be able to say that Stanley skates well, without the "for his size" qualifier.

I think that the Copp trade is a rare instance of that from Chevy. He was going to leave as a UFA and got the TD return. Leaving as a FA is pretty common at the TD, so no qualifier needed.

Trading in the NHL is much rarer today than it was back in the 70's to 90's prior to the salary cap era. Now in the salary cap era just about every trade has some sort of "under the circumstances" qualifier.

 

[surixon]

Trading in the NHL is much rarer today than it was back in the 70's to 90's prior to the salary cap era. Now in the salary cap era just about every trade has some sort of "under the circumstances" qualifier.

Yup, teams don't trade grade A assets unless there is a reason (I.e the player doesn't want to commit or wants out). It is incredibly rare that you get a hockey deal juat for the sake of a hockey deal.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Trading in the NHL is much rarer today than it was back in the 70's to 90's prior to the salary cap era. Now in the salary cap era just about every trade has some sort of "under the circumstances" qualifier.

True, but TD deals don't get discounted because the player wants out. Sometimes that's even an advantage. Teams just want the player for the current season and actually shy away from players with term.

Trouble is you need to be in a position to be a seller to take advantage of that market.

 

[KingBogo]

True, but TD deals don't get discounted because the player wants out. Sometimes that's even an advantage. Teams just want the player for the current season and actually shy away from players with term.

Trouble is you need to be in a position to be a seller to take advantage of that market.

100% agreed. I was just talking in general terms. And we won't be in a position of seller and I think Chevy locks up both Ehlers and Pionk prior to the TDL.

 

[DRW204]

i do think it's clear though that all these prospect thumpers on here, and those clamoring for arniel to play the youth or some ridiculous "youth movement" really need a reality check.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

100% agreed. I was just talking in general terms. And we won't be in a position of seller and I think Chevy locks up both Ehlers and Pionk prior to the TDL.

But in the context of Chevy's deals, I still think the Copp deal will turn out to be his best. Though I don't expect all of those pieces to pan out.