Jets being good should be more surprising

[Buffdog]

i do think it's clear though that all these prospect thumpers on here, and those clamoring for arniel to play the youth or some ridiculous "youth movement" really need a reality check.

I think 12-1 IS the reality check for both the "chibs over appleton" prospect thumpers AND the "we can't win with Schief and Connor on the top line" Statsnerds

 

[StumpyTown]

I think 12-1 IS the reality check for both the "chibs over appleton" prospect thumpers AND the "we can't win with Schief and Connor on the top line" Statsnerds

We saw it against Colorado. Scheif and Connor were getting completely hemmed into their own zone against both of the Avalanche top lines. In order to milk out that win Arniel had to shuffle line combinations to make all his lines defensively better, which he did. This is something that both Bones and PoMo hesitated greatly to do within games. I agree that the team on most nights needs Scheif and KFC on the same line, and their numbers should be better than they have ever been if Arnie is willing to do what he did in the last game where they were getting caved in.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We saw it against Colorado. Scheif and Connor were getting completely hemmed into their own zone against both of the Avalanche top lines. In order to milk out that win Arniel had to shuffle line combinations to make all his lines defensively better, which he did. This is something that both Bones and PoMo hesitated greatly to do within games. I agree that the team on most nights needs Scheif and KFC on the same line, and their numbers should be better than they have ever been if Arnie is willing to do what he did in the last game where they were getting caved in.

Yet schief and kc won their 5 v 5 1 nothing.

 

[Buffdog]

We saw it against Colorado. Scheif and Connor were getting completely hemmed into their own zone against both of the Avalanche top lines. In order to milk out that win Arniel had to shuffle line combinations to make all his lines defensively better, which he did. This is something that both Bones and PoMo hesitated greatly to do within games. I agree that the team on most nights needs Scheif and KFC on the same line, and their numbers should be better than they have ever been if Arnie is willing to do what he did in the last game where they were getting caved in.

Schief and Connor won their matchups in the first two periods. Why don't you focus on that?

This is exactly the kind of recency bias and conformation bias that drives serious people nuts. I bet you and a half dozen other posters have been eagerly awaiting that ONE PERIOD in a 13-1 streak where a slight adjustment needed to be made. The funny thing is that I knew it was coming, but I had another poster in my mind for who would say it lol

Even ESV won't beat Mackinnon's line long term. Or McDavids line. Or Matthews' line.

We don't think have the top end talent to win like those teams. We win through depth, team defense, good goaltending and (hopefully) special teams

 

[surixon]

Schief and Connor won their matchups in the first two periods. Why don't you focus on that?

This is exactly the kind of recency bias and conformation bias that drives serious people nuts. I bet you and a half dozen other posters have been eagerly awaiting that ONE PERIOD in a 13-1 streak where a slight adjustment needed to be made. The funny thing is that I knew it was coming, but I had another poster in my mind for who would say it lol

Even ESV won't beat Mackinnon's line long term. Or McDavids line. Or Matthews' line.

We don't think have the top end talent to win like those teams. We win through depth, team defense, good goaltending and (hopefully) special teams

Agreed. The whole team was fine the first half of the game. Colorado's top 5 just has another gear that really no other team in the league can match. We don't have that level of talent and 99% of the rest of the league doesn't either.

But the Avs are very thin on depth and have had piss poor goaltending, as we've seen this year one elite 5 man group can't often make up that difference.

 

[Channelcat]

I think 12-1 IS the reality check for both the "chibs over appleton" prospect thumpers AND the "we can't win with Schief and Connor on the top line" Statsnerds

I was on that bus after the loss to Avs, but Fla is a balanced roster with no "superstars " (imho) so it can be done.

And ya, Apples has been very solid.

 

[surixon]

I was on that bus after the loss to Avs, but Fla is a balanced roster with no "superstars " (imho) so it can be done.

And ya, Apples has been very solid.

Interesting, you don't consider Barkov a superstar? He's a top 5 center for me. Reinhardt has also stepped into that category for me.

 

[StumpyTown]

Yet schief and kc won their 5 v 5 1 nothing.

Schief and Connor won their matchups in the first two periods. Why don't you focus on that?

This is exactly the kind of recency bias and conformation bias that drives serious people nuts. I bet you and a half dozen other posters have been eagerly awaiting that ONE PERIOD in a 13-1 streak where a slight adjustment needed to be made. The funny thing is that I knew it was coming, but I had another poster in my mind for who would say it lol

Even ESV won't beat Mackinnon's line long term. Or McDavids line. Or Matthews' line.

We don't think have the top end talent to win like those teams. We win through depth, team defense, good goaltending and (hopefully) special teams

I clearly didn't make my point clear enough, so I'll clarify.

What I meant by my post is that when Scheif and Connor were getting caved in by the Avs top two lines (2nd and 3rd) we saw Arniel pull out the blender and that is a good thing. When things aren't working, he is willing to make adjustments to try and get things to stabilize.

That is a good thing. I also think that for the majority of time, Scheif and Connor should absolutely be played together. I'm not in the camp of "split them up", but I am in the camp of the coach changing things up within a single game to stabilize and preserve a lead like Arniel did yesterday.

 

[Buffdog]

I clearly didn't make my point clear enough, so I'll clarify.

What I meant by my post is that when Scheif and Connor were getting caved in by the Avs top two lines (2nd and 3rd) we saw Arniel pull out the blender and that is a good thing. When things aren't working, he is willing to make adjustments to try and get things to stabilize.

That is a good thing. I also think that for the majority of time, Scheif and Connor should absolutely be played together. I'm not in the camp of "split them up", but I am in the camp of the coach changing things up within a single game to stabilize and preserve a lead like Arniel did yesterday.

My bad, I misunderstood your post

 

[Buffdog]

Interesting, you don't consider Barkov a superstar? He's a top 5 center for me. Reinhardt has also stepped into that category for me.

Yeah, I think anyone who scores 57 goals is close to "superatar". Tkachuk also brings something to that team that we don't have - he's like Lowry who can put up 80+ points a season

Barkov > Schief
Reinhart > Connor
Tkachuk > Ehlers

Talent vs talent, that's not a team we should be beating

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah, I think anyone who scores 57 goals is close to "superatar". Tkachuk also brings something to that team that we don't have - he's like Lowry who can put up 80+ points a season

Barkov > Schief
Reinhart > Connor
Tkachuk > Ehlers

Talent vs talent, that's not a team we should be beating

I'd line the break up Tkachuk vs Connor which Connor still loses as I think Tkachuk is their best winger.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Yeah, I think anyone who scores 57 goals is close to "superatar". Tkachuk also brings something to that team that we don't have - he's like Lowry who can put up 80+ points a season

Barkov > Schief
Reinhart > Connor
Tkachuk > Ehlers

Talent vs talent, that's not a team we should be beating

Morrissey > Ekblad(?)
Helle > Bobrovsky

Tho I do agree Florida would be favourites in a playoff matchup. The Jets top forwards can't compare with Barkov's 2-way play or Tkatchuk's dirtiness.

 

[raideralex99]

If people think a good team can dominate another good for 60 minutes its time to wake up.
Jets could have been up 3-0 after the first and Avs could have scored 3-4 goals in the third.
Could have .... should have ... who cares the Jets got the win. If you noticed what the Avs were doing was they knew the Jets made quick passes so they were guarding the outlet passes ... why do you think a couple times the Jets were able to skate right in just by holding onto the puck. Jets need another good puck carrying defenseman. Also to slow down a fast skating team you have to take the body and finish the checks .... Jets only had 10 hits.
This is the first game that the Jets were outplayed and they won so that's not too bad. 14 games and you have 2 bad games ... I'll take that anytime.

 

[Buffdog]

If people think a good team can dominate another good for 60 minutes its time to wake up.
Jets could have been up 3-0 after the first and Avs could have scored 3-4 goals in the third.
Could have .... should have ... who cares the Jets got the win. If you noticed what the Avs were doing was they knew the Jets made quick passes so they were guarding the outlet passes ... why do you think a couple times the Jets were able to skate right in just by holding onto the puck. Jets need another good puck carrying defenseman. Also to slow down a fast skating team you have to take the body and finish the checks .... Jets only had 10 hits.
This is the first game that the Jets were outplayed and they won so that's not too bad. 14 games and you have 2 bad games ... I'll take that anytime.

Well said

Good teams have a way to win games. Great teams have multiple ways. Shut one way down, and they get you with another

This year, we've won with our top line dominating their opposition, the second line dominating their opposition, depth socring, special teams dominating... and now we've won a game with Helle having to steal it

We're (hopefully) not in a place where we need to fit into a very narrow formula for success

 

[Channelcat]

Interesting, you don't consider Barkov a superstar? He's a top 5 center for me. Reinhardt has also stepped into that category for me.

No. He's an awesome player. An 80 point two way forward. Tkachuk and Reinhart neither.

 

[Andy6]

Hockey is a team sport, about systems - the obsession with individual players, as though you can plug-and-play anyone into any lineup and any locker room, belongs in another sport. One reason the Jets are good is that Winnipeg isn’t an attractive enough market for a showoff big-market GM to be able to constantly mess things up by bringing new players in, so the players we have get a chance to play together for years on end and eventually turn into a great team. That’s my working theory, anyway. Just don’t mess with success by bringing in useless “deadline acquisitions”.

 

[Buffdog]

Hockey is a team sport, about systems - the obsession with individual players, as though you can plug-and-play anyone into any lineup and any locker room, belongs in another sport. One reason the Jets are good is that Winnipeg isn’t an attractive enough market for a showoff big-market GM to be able to constantly mess things up by bringing new players in, so the players we have get a chance to play together for years on end and eventually turn into a great team. That’s my working theory, anyway. Just don’t mess with success by bringing in useless “deadline acquisitions”.

It certainly is a fine line

Rarely, those deadline acquisitions fit into the culture of the locker room like a glove - i think Statsny was one - but the wrong guy can be poison

Team culture/locker room cohesion is undervalued by people who haven't played team sports. It can make the difference between putting extra effort into a game to win for your teammates in a good way to not even wanting to show up to the rink in a bad way

 

[CorgisPer60]

Garret Hohl (@garrethohl.bsky.social)

#NHLJets vs the whole season of the only other team to start 13-1-0.

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[Daximus]

Hockey is a team sport, about systems - the obsession with individual players, as though you can plug-and-play anyone into any lineup and any locker room, belongs in another sport. One reason the Jets are good is that Winnipeg isn’t an attractive enough market for a showoff big-market GM to be able to constantly mess things up by bringing new players in, so the players we have get a chance to play together for years on end and eventually turn into a great team. That’s my working theory, anyway. Just don’t mess with success by bringing in useless “deadline acquisitions”.

There is probably some truth to that and we definitely started to see some cracks in the foundation after that 2018 run. Things in the locker room started getting bad and we got away from that mentality and we were playing well below our talent level.

It seems like everyone on this team gets along, we are finding a lot of chemistry and everything is clicking. But at some point we will face adversity and we'll see how they respond.

 

[Crocket]

I think the Jets being so good last few years is a surprise. I mean we have prospects and players force their way out. We have no top 10 nhl players. We often have to pay more to retain or keep anyone around.
No number 1 picks on roster.

Not surprising at all