Jets being good should be more surprising

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think this should be made up into a needle-point sampler (Google it) and posted on HF walls all over the city for when the fans turn on Chevy again.


It's not like Ladd lit up the league after he left the Jets.

He's not perfect - but he just might be the best GM in the league.

 

[Duke749]

I’m just riding the wave and trying not to blink.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Not true. The only overpay was Kulikov and I don't think he needed an overpay to come here. Chevy simply outbid whoever else was after him and it turned out to be high.

He overpaid Pionk based on a career year and he acquired Schmidt in the middle of an existing contract. Every team has a few of those.

All of the other players who have extended here long term have been for market value, or even less.

Forbort. Also Wheeler was overpaid.

 

[RustyCat]

This is a very stupid thread. Why can't some people just enjoy the fact that there is success here without making pointless arguments.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This is a very stupid thread. Why can't some people just enjoy the fact that there is success here without making pointless arguments.

If you don’t like a thread don’t click it. It doesn’t hurt you at all. Better to avoid things you don’t like not go around poo pooing things.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I guess I'm surprised at the insane start, but the jets were at minimum were going to be a competent team this year.

A team with Helle, Scheif, Connor, Ehlers, Lowry and Morrissey has a high regular season floor. No idea what the ceiling is though.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I think this should be made up into a needle-point sampler (Google it) and posted on HF walls all over the city for when the fans turn on Chevy again.

Memento tattoo for next offseason.

As far as Chevy overpays, he's been completely within normal GM bounds.

Shock of shocks, an NHL GM opens up the chequebook for below average middle-pairing D-Men to try and address a positional weakness, and overpays an aging power forward who served as your captain and was the one of the biggest boosters when the team moved from Atlanta.

 

[KingBogo]

Who did we pay more for? You said often so I'll expect plenty of examples.

Many teams have players that force their way out. I'd say the Jets are actually pretty good at retaining players.

The reason we are so good is we have one of the best GMs in the league. He doesn't make hasty decisions, he doesn't bow to pressure, he doesn't do shit just to do shit, and he wins pretty much every trade he makes.

The one area I think Chevy has really done well is build up our lineup depth to the point of being a team that can run 4 effective lines. We may be short on superstars other than Helly but we have a deep middle class of players.

Chevy very rarely overpays himself. The bad contracts are often acquired through trade to fill spots like Schmidt.

Same idea with Iafallo. He was the cap dump part of the PLD trade, but while overpaid he is still an effective bottom 6 player, who can be slotted into other parts of the lineup. His bad contracts are not just wasted money.

 

[KingBogo]

Forbort. Also Wheeler was overpaid.

Wheeler wasn't over paid. He was coming off back to back 91 point seasons and was our best forward at the time. Most legacy UFA contracts aren't worth the AAV in their final couple years. That is the price you pay to hold onto your stars. Both Schiefele and Helly will likely be overpaid in 5-6 years, as will Ehlers and Connor if we are able to re-sign them.

 

[surixon]

Wheeler wasn't over paid. He was coming off back to back 91 point seasons and was our best forward at the time. Most legacy UFA contracts aren't worth the AAV in their final couple years. That is the price you pay to hold onto your stars. Both Schiefele and Helly will likely be overpaid in 5-6 years, as will Ehlers and Connor if we are able to re-sign them.

The one bad one I'll give Chevy is the Bogo contract. He never came close to living up to it but Chevy was able to move him for another dissapointing dmen that rebound his game here so it worked out for him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Forbort. Also Wheeler was overpaid.

What about Forbort? He was signed for 1 mil. You not liking him is not the point. He was paid 2.8 mil the year before and 2 mil, with an AAV of 3 mil, the year after. Looks like Chevy got him cheap.

Wheeler was not overpaid. He was signed for a little too long.

 

[KingBogo]

The one bad one I'll give Chevy is the Bogo contract. He never came close to living up to it but Chevy was able to move him for another dissapointing dmen that rebound his game here so it worked out for him.

Agreed. Chevy has walked the line pretty well. He does have his work cut out for him over the next couple years, with lots of important players with contracts coming due.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I guess I'm surprised at the insane start, but the jets were at minimum were going to be a competent team this year.

A team with Helle, Scheif, Connor, Ehlers, Lowry and Morrissey has a high regular season floor. No idea what the ceiling is though.

I was uncertain of both the floor and the ceiling. Floor might have been last 4 games of 24 and lowered because of the departure of Dillon. Ceiling might have been 110 pt regular season. Then there was uncertainty about coaching.

 

[KingBogo]

What about Forbort? He was signed for 1 mil. You not liking him is not the point. He was paid 2.8 mil the year before and 2 mil, with an AAV of 3 mil, the year after. Looks like Chevy got him cheap.

Wheeler was not overpaid. He was signed for a little too long.

That's the nature of the business with guaranteed contracts. Schiefele and Helly are signed too long as will Ehlers and Connor be, and then in a couple years we will likely to re-sign Morrissey for way too long as he is pushing his mid 30's. Most top tier players are paid too long if they have an agent half worth their salt.

 

[surixon]

Agreed. Chevy has walked the line pretty well. He does have his work cut out for him over the next couple years, with lots of important players with contracts coming due.

Yup, no GM bats 100 on contracts as no one has a crystal ball, but Chevy tends to have a good read on things. He'll be tested over the next few years trying to balance the number of legacy deals he's comfortable with and the through their prime deals for guys like Snerg, Cole and Vilardi.

That's the nature of the business with guaranteed contracts. Schiefele and Helly are signed too long as will Ehlers and Connor be, and then in a couple years we will likely to re-sign Morrissey for way too long as he is pushing his mid 30's. Most top tier players are paid too long if they have an agent half worth their salt.

Yup, they just have to find one gm out there willing to make a poor bet cough Trotz cough.

 

[Whileee]

I think the Jets' roster has been generally underrated the past couple of seasons. Chevy took a high-bubble team and added a bunch of quality and depth, especially at F.

Adding Vilardi, Nino and Namestnikov along with the arrival of Perfetti really strengthened the top 3 lines.

The 4th line has gone from a weakness to a real strength with the addition of Barron, Iafallo and Kupari.

On D, Samberg has emerged as a defensive stalwart. Miller was a sneaky good acquisition.

Overall, the Jets have a very balanced and deep forward group now, and the D is good enough. It's just that many pundits and fans didn't really recognize the transformation and quality.

Beyond that, Bowness brought in a very good 5v5 defensive system that the Jets are implementing effectively. They are really well-connected in the system now.

And, Hellebuyck is still Hellebuyck.

 

[KingBogo]

Yup, no GM bats 100 on contracts as no one has a crystal ball, but Chevy tends to have a good read on things. He'll be tested over the next few years trying to balance the number of legacy deals he's comfortable with and the through their prime deals for guys like Snerg, Cole and Vilardi.



Yup, they just have to find one gm out there willing to make a poor bet cough Trotz cough.

One of the reasons I think Chevy has done as well as he has with contracts as he has much more job security then most GMs. I don't think most GMs give a shit about years 6-8 in a contract, because if they don't have a lot of team success in the next 5 years they won't be around to worry about it. If they do have a lot of success they will be forgiven and they will just deal with bad contracts as they have to, Or they move on because they have proven to be successful.

 

[Jet]

Forbort. Also Wheeler was overpaid.

Omg, quit while you're behind.

Derek Forbort signed a 1X1M contract with the Jets and then went to the Bruins as a free agent and signed a 3X3

Blake Wheeler was an elite RW and captain of the Jets having just completed back to back 91 point seasons. He was signing his legacy contract and was going to get that or more on the free market.

Just admit you're wrong, it's ok - we all are from time to time

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

-Miller was a sneaky good pick up
- Names ov was a good pick up and signed here for 2 years because he had played for Bowness coach b4
- Baron was a steal in the Copp trade as well as Lambert
- Best trade and signing was Nino reider …. I thought we picked him up for a 2nd rounder at the deadline and we were going to recoup that 2 nd rounder the following year as he was signed for the extra year… I did not think he would be willing to stay for 3 more years at the same$$… He was a top 7-8 pick in his draft year.

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[abax44]

No one is surprised? Everyone is surprised, except apparently you.

Yes?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes?

OK?

Seriously, 12-1 and you are not surprised?
Do you have any written evidence of your prediction that they would have 24 points after 13 games?

 

[KingBogo]

-Miller was a sneaky good pick up
- Names ov was a good pick up and signed here for 2 years because he had played for Bowness coach b4
- Baron was a steal in the Copp trade as well as Lambert
- Best trade and signing was Nino reider …. I thought we picked him up for a 2nd rounder at the deadline and we were going to recoup that 2 nd rounder the following year as he was signed for the extra year… I did not think he would be willing to stay for 3 more years at the same$$… He was a top 7-8 pick in his draft year.

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When Chevy makes moves at the TDL, he needs to just keep his 1st round pick off the table, because when he does he usually makes really good value trades.

 

[abax44]

OK?

Seriously, 12-1 and you are not surprised?
Do you have any written evidence of your prediction that they would have 24 points after 13 games?

Do YOU have any written evidence of your prediction of my prediction they would have 24 points after 13 games?

I never said I wasn't surprised.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Do YOU have any written evidence of your prediction of my prediction they would have 24 points after 13 games?

I never said I wasn't surprised.

No one is surprised the Jets are this good right now, yet how many were here pissing and moaning the Chevy didn't do enough over the summer and needed to promote Lambert and/or Chibrikov. Just wait until they lose 2 or 3 games in a row.

I think you did. Did you mean something else?

 

[abax44]

I think you did. Did you mean something else?

Do you always take posts on the internet literally? The 3 or 4 other people that liked the post clearly picked up on the sarcasm.