Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[The Gr8 Dane]

Possible core piece for a for sure core piece. That’s exactly why the Habs would be foolish not to make that deal.

Alot of us are not interested in pld at 8-9 million though. We would have 3 sub ppg players at 8 million it just dosent make sense imo. Especially if we give up assets for him

 

[Zerotonine]

Helleybuch for Campbell who adds???

Hahahahahha one can dream. Campbell is an nhl contract/player back

 

[Guffman]

Who will pay the rental price knowing that he plans to walk for Montreal in the Summer of '24?

Dvorak is a serviceable 3C, Harris is a decent defencemen with top 4 potential and the 31st pick is a mystery box that could be anything.

If what Chevy wants is pieces, these aren't bad pieces. I think futures is better personally. But oh well.

Do you know what a rental even is?

 

[TS Quint]

I have a feeling that if Dubois is traded to Montreal, we are getting Dach.

Dach plus what else? Dach is like the Kmart PLD.

 

[Guffman]

Hey im just looking for a proper fleecing of a team thats working from a position of weakness don't blame me I smell blood

So, during TDL deals, all non-contenders are operating from a position of weakness and yet, they still get standard TDL compensation.

How is this situation different?

PS: It’s not.

 

[waitin425]

Do you know what a rental even is?

I sure do. But I would wager a guess that a rentals value includes more than just the few months that a team gets them.

Rental prices would also be influenced by a teams ability to then re-sign said player or that players willingness to sign with them. Teams would pay a premium for PLD as a "rental" while also believing they could potentially resign him. Teams knowing he will walk, will be a little more hesitant than the latter example.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Too much , switch the first for a second

That's not to much at all.

 

[Guffman]

Dach plus what else? Dach is like the Kmart PLD.

True, but when you factor in controlled years and PLD’s expected contract demands, not sure we can squeeze out much more.

I guess we can take Dvorak to help with their cap but given that skid mark gets $5.7M cash for each of the next two years, maybe they also add their 2nd round pick.

 

[TS Quint]

Dach played C in the second half of the season and had quite the progression. He was very noticeable on the ice. The kind of progression you want to see from a 6’4 21 years old center

I don’t see how Dach is going to be a Centre with the Habs. Susuki is already in the top 6. Isn’t it expected the Habs take a Centre with their first pick this year? Where does that leave Dach? 3rd line?

 

[Heldig]

Chevy is grinding on Hughes to get him. He just needs to squeeze him a bit more, add pressure of possibly trading him elsewhere, and Hughes may just pull the trigger for the marketing bonanza.

Just a feelin’!

I hope that is the case.

Hughes has proven to be an excellent GM in a short time. And time is NOT on Chevy's side.

 

[TS Quint]

Who will pay the rental price knowing that he plans to walk for Montreal in the Summer of '24?

Dvorak is a serviceable 3C, Harris is a decent defencemen with top 4 potential and the 31st pick is a mystery box that could be anything.

If what Chevy wants is pieces, these aren't bad pieces. I think futures is better personally. But oh well.

Who knows that?

 

[waitin425]

Who knows that?

That horse has been beaten to death. Nobody knows anything for sure. But ......

 

[Guffman]

I sure do. But I would wager a guess that a rentals value includes more than just the few months that a team gets them.

Rental prices would also be influenced by a teams ability to then re-sign said player or that players willingness to sign with them. Teams would pay a premium for PLD as a "rental" while also believing they could potentially resign him. Teams knowing he will walk, will be a little more hesitant than the latter example.

Very few rentals are acquired with the intention that they will extended.

If it is an upper-end player, the ability to extend may help a team justify the cost… especially if a team is not really a high-end contender (e.g., NJ’s acquisition of Timo). It could broaden the market somewhat and it might give you a bit of gravy over what a contender would pay.

As reports indicated a few weeks ago, Dubois would look at several teams to sign a contract with. Montreal does not have a monopoly on him.

 

[Fatass]

Alot of us are not interested in pld at 8-9 million though. We would have 3 sub ppg players at 8 million it just dosent make sense imo. Especially if we give up assets for him

It’s not to us fans though. It’s up to Habs’ management. And they are trying to build a Cup winner. PLD is young and proven. Giving up an unproven player in Dach makes good sense.

 

[Heldig]

I sure do. But I would wager a guess that a rentals value includes more than just the few months that a team gets them.

Rental prices would also be influenced by a teams ability to then re-sign said player or that players willingness to sign with them. Teams would pay a premium for PLD as a "rental" while also believing they could potentially resign him. Teams knowing he will walk, will be a little more hesitant than the latter example.

That was not a concern when Ben ******* Chairot was traded to Florida.

And YOU must agree Dubois is worth multiples more than Chairot.

 

[Buffdog]

Sorry this is our first time rebuilding can you let us collect top 10 picks for a few years just like you guys did to ever be somewhat relevant in the first place. Its only fair that we get to rebuild too no?

Or do we have to make a dumb short sighted move just because PLD has a french last name?

We had 3 top 10 picks, with the highest being 7th (and 2 9ths) before Laine landed on our lap. In other words, 4 in 6 years. We went to the conference final.

In the past 6 years, the Habs have had 2 in the top 3. This year will mark another at 6.

You guys shouldn't be bad for very long - unless you want to be.

 

[waitin425]

Dubois is worth more than Chiarot, I agree. The fact remains....there has been a ton of evidence that PLD's intention is Montreal. Chiarot had no such cloud following him around when going to UFA.

 

[Ainsy01]

Ehlers for Hanifin

 

[Guffman]

Ehlers for Hanifin

Why even put that out there? Do some research and figure out if it remotely makes sense for Winnipeg (pro-tip: it doesn’t).

I feel like I am in a jungle, swinging my machete to clear away posters that aren’t providing quality posts LOL.

 

[Colezuki]

There not trading Dach for PLD

 

[gojetsgo]

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

rofl, I don't think any actual thought was put into this.. and if pld was to sign a ridiculously low offer sheet and we were to trade him before then we wouldn't be taking a discount if anything pld @ 2.1 would give us a massive increase

 

[Thechozen1]

Olofsson+Jokiharju+2nd

For

Helly+Demelo.

NOPE. Not close

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I said.....IF done well they could be a playoff team......yet to be seen if its done well haha.

Depends TBH what Chevy real desire is:

- Go for some real win now pieces and fight for a playoff spot? Might do it if he wins each trade. Still not a contender.

- Or is it really he will take some depth piece and the real return is futures, but he doesn't want to call it a rebuild due to fans or corp support

And I said that IF they make the PO they have not done it well.

IF he gets as good as he gives in roster players we are as good as we were last year. WC2, easily tossed aside in the first round - and continuing to mark time for the foreseeable future.

But what he will actually do is still known only to him. I don't believe that Chevy suddenly decided to open up to Friedman. We will just have to wait and see.

 

[sansabri]

I don’t see how Dach is going to be a Centre with the Habs. Susuki is already in the top 6. Isn’t it expected the Habs take a Centre with their first pick this year? Where does that leave Dach? 3rd line?

we don't know yet if we're a picking a C (Smith could very well end up on the wing in the NHL)

and if Dach does end up as our 3rd C, that'd be a nice top 9

 

[Guffman]

And I said that IF they make the PO they have not done it well.

IF he gets as good as he gives in roster players we are as good as we were last year. WC2, easily tossed aside in the first round - and continuing to mark time for the foreseeable future.

But what he will actually do is still known only to him. I don't believe that Chevy suddenly decided to open up to Friedman. We will just have to wait and see.

While the Jets are secretive, if they do want to field trade calls for PLD, Scheifele and Hellebuyck, leaking something to the media might be the way to do it.