Post-Game Talk: Jets are a mess, lose 6-3

[WolfHouse]

Hellebuyck's sv% is down to 91.2 and he has a losing record.
I wonder what he would be worth to Edmonton?

Playing Beaulieu - no, even keeping him on the roster - is a tank move.

So you want to trade helle to oilers so that we literally have no NHL goalie instead of a Vezina level goalie

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I've posted this before, as I believe the "cancer" in the Jets dressing room revolves around these 2 players. The cancer tumours need to be cut out.

When you look at our team on paper and then look at our team on the ice, it is pretty hard to ignore that there is a cancer somewhere. Without being in the room, I hesitate to pin it on anyone. But if it is not the leaders, who is it? What we can see in public, sure looks like those 2.

This is where you earn your paycheque Chevy. Make the tough decisions. Anybody can make the easy ones.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You can play an offensive style of hockey and still not score a lot of goals - I guess you'd probably call it a bad offensive style of hockey.
We certainly don't play a defensive style -
What would you call it?

Neither?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Not a plus minus guy but PLD plus two and Scheif/wheels -4 is egregious

ScheifMe now sits at 931st in the NHL +/- category. He is in the company of players on much worse teams with very bad GA stats. 55 is the weakest link and is the primary reason this team is doing so poorly.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This team has lacked identity all year. By lacking identity, I mean that no one seems to know exactly what their role is or what to do. Cliches like 'being hard to play against' mean nothing.

Normally I'd blame coaching, but it has existed under 2 coaches now. Maybe roster composition is the problem. We have a team of skilled players that aren't used to playing a team game.

Not really under 2 coaches. Really just one. Nothing has changed and the current guy is 'interim' and surely can't be made permanent with what he has shown.

Even the PK isn't changed much. It is the same scheme just played a little more aggressively.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

"Not enough Poganski" has become my running joke to my fantasy league. I really wish he'd score a single point so it would stop being sad.

You want him to score a single point and be kept around longer, played more?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wanna see a poganski vs. James Wright skills competition showdown. Winner wins a spot on our top line.

Seriously? Wright runs away with it. Not even close. And I'm not even kidding.

 

[ghyrti]

Yeah we need a culture reset. If we need to move out some vets and turn the keys over to Dubois and Morrissey to lead this group then go and do it.

And at this point I think looking at the '22-'23 cap hit for Copp/PLD might be preferable than the '22-'23 Scheifele/PLD when on ice play is taken into account.

 

[PaulPooley]

So you want to trade helle to oilers so that we literally have no NHL goalie instead of a Vezina level goalie

I’ve wondered the same thing about the Oilers and how much they would give up for Helly. Not because I don’t value him or think he’s part of the problem here, I just wonder.

 

[GreenLine]

Lol I missed the game, checked the score when it was 3-0 and said "they'll probably find a way to lose this still". The season is done. Sell off every UFA and any other vet that can get a decent return.

On a positive note, Dubois looked great on those first two goals. Hope Chevy locks him up long-term and gives him a letter.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Revisiting this again.
Updated.

I know there’s lots of holes that we can poke into +- stats but over the long term they can show trends.
This is Scheifele’s +- position on the team since his first full year compared to his teammates.
2nd
2nd
1st
1st
1st
6th
11th
23rd
28th
Last (by a mile)

That is pathetic and sad. Fefe is a disaster and in need of a change in team or at least coach.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Firing Maurice was a mistake.

This post is a mistake!

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Wow, the Avs are so impressive. Their riches on defense are embarrassing, and then you look at their forwards. Their only slight weakness is goaltending - I'm sure they could pick up a good vetetan backup rental at the tdl for not much.

They play the game at such a high pace and execution level - that's the gold standard. I thought the Jets played well in the first, no doubt, but I also think the Avs may have taken them lightly and their goalie struggled a bit in the first. Once they decided to play, we had no shot. Reminded me of the 17-18 Jets actually. When that team decided to turn it on, not many teams had an answer.

I think Dillon was very good in the game, and if that's Dubois 'fading away' I sure hope he fades more. Laine can score goals when he's hot but Dubois was just an absolute bull - he's quickly becoming a unicorn and one of the hardest types of players to acquire.

When you see Mackinnon play, you quickly see what a one dimensional player Mark Schiefele is. More breeze bys on goals against, and he was playing like he was at an all star game - trying stupid little moves, an individual, selfish game. I'm convinced now it's time to move on from him, despite his production. When you're a point a game guy who is a net negative on the ice, you aren't playing for the team, you're playing for yourself.

Why the hell is Beaulieu still here? By my assessment, he's 12th on our depth chart at best. Having him here in case of injury is a stupid argument, I'd rather call up 4 other guys before dressing him.

We need meaningful change this off season, both with the roster and coaching.

I'd waive Beau, trade Schmidt, and get Heinola and Samberg on the roster to play out the rest of the season to get some experience.

Schiefele especially with his contract will fetch a handsome return. I'd look to get an up and coming C that plays a two way game.

"he was playing like he was at an all star game"...... Great post and and, imo, the best summation of 55's play that I've read.

 

[Keystone]

I’ve wondered the same thing about the Oilers and how much they would give up for Helly. Not because I don’t value him or think he’s part of the problem here, I just wonder.

Could you get Evan Bouchard if you took Koiskinen? Probably not, but worth an inquiry. Maybe include Demelo and get some picks. You would think Holland thinks highly of both after last seasons series.
Just seems like we aren’t winning under Hellebuyck’s current deal and I can’t imagine how much he wants on next one.

 

[10Ducky10]

Lowry isn't even the coach that Maurice is.
Fire the coaching staff now and bring in AV or CJ or someone and tell him he has 30 games to earn a contract for next season. Let him pick his assistants.
Boolow over Stanimal/Heinola? Gimme a break.

If there is no change, then the team needs a re-tooling.
Getting rid of Wheeler is a good start. Give whatever we get for Copper with Wheeler and get rid of him.
Schmidt needs to go and I would move Dillon as well. Dillon shouldn't be hard to move at the TDL and should bring back a 1st...maybe we add a 4th.
Should we look at what Pionk would bring back this off-season?

When Perfetti comes back, why not try him between two vets to see what he looks like at center.

Coming out of TC last fall, I thought this team was as good as the team that went to the semi-finals a few years back...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So you want to trade helle to oilers so that we literally have no NHL goalie instead of a Vezina level goalie

I didn't say that. But we haven't had Vezina level goaltending at all this season.

Obviously, if we moved Hellebuyck, we would need to acquire another goalie because we don't have even a prospect starting goalie in the system.

But it might be interesting to know what a team like the Oilers would pay.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Seriously this winter can't end soon enough for me , you are up 3-0 after the 1st period on the road and lose 6-3 ? Wheeler looked like a 60 year old out there tonight and he's our highest paid player, he should be embarrassed taking a paycheck. Scheifele was awful tonight as well and Helly needs to sit for a while . Booboo and the rest of the clowns we have playing on our 3rd and 4th lines all need to go back to the Moose for better coaching.

Tell us what you really think.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think it would be a mistake to move on Helly. That would insure us to likely years and years of failure

It is the one spot you don't move on when you got a proven commodity. Look around the league teams don't move goalies once they have them. LA kept an aging Quick for ever. The only goalies I can think of that moved where Fleury and Murray from Pittsburgh. Fleury was cap casualty twice and Murray was moved for nothing

The more likely scenario is Helly bounces back next year.

Really a new coach with a new direction is required. The players then have to buy in and you move from there. Dumping Helly is stupid IMO

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

When the going gets tough the captain won't face the media?

He wasn't asked because Doobie jumped in.

That says something, but not what you said.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

On a positive Dubois, Connor and Svech looked good, now we just need Ehlers , Copp and Perfetti back and we can put Scheifele and Wheeler back on our 3rd line and get back to winning like we were when we had those lines.

Funny how that line was immediately better with Svech back.

But he sat for Poganski, etc.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree on getting rid of them but there will be pain for several years while they rebuild.

Probably, yes. But not necessarily. Depends on the details.

 

[Weezeric]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Connor-PLD-Scheifele as the top line for the rest of the year. Run Copp-Perfetti-Ehlers as the second line. Maybe Ehlers-Perfetti-Wheeler after the trade deadline. See if you can develop Perfetti as a Center and take some defensive responsibility from Scheifele. Maybe he can have a Stamkos-esque back half of his career.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Wow, the Avs are so impressive. Their riches on defense are embarrassing, and then you look at their forwards. Their only slight weakness is goaltending - I'm sure they could pick up a good vetetan backup rental at the tdl for not much.

They play the game at such a high pace and execution level - that's the gold standard. I thought the Jets played well in the first, no doubt, but I also think the Avs may have taken them lightly and their goalie struggled a bit in the first. Once they decided to play, we had no shot. Reminded me of the 17-18 Jets actually. When that team decided to turn it on, not many teams had an answer.

I think Dillon was very good in the game, and if that's Dubois 'fading away' I sure hope he fades more. Laine can score goals when he's hot but Dubois was just an absolute bull - he's quickly becoming a unicorn and one of the hardest types of players to acquire.

When you see Mackinnon play, you quickly see what a one dimensional player Mark Schiefele is. More breeze bys on goals against, and he was playing like he was at an all star game - trying stupid little moves, an individual, selfish game. I'm convinced now it's time to move on from him, despite his production. When you're a point a game guy who is a net negative on the ice, you aren't playing for the team, you're playing for yourself.

Why the hell is Beaulieu still here? By my assessment, he's 12th on our depth chart at best. Having him here in case of injury is a stupid argument, I'd rather call up 4 other guys before dressing him.

We need meaningful change this off season, both with the roster and coaching.

I'd waive Beau, trade Schmidt, and get Heinola and Samberg on the roster to play out the rest of the season to get some experience.

Schiefele especially with his contract will fetch a handsome return. I'd look to get an up and coming C that plays a two way game.

Great post and analysis -- just posting to say I agree 110% (yes, that pesky extra 10%) and think you need to get on that Jet-phone and give Chevy his mission, and make it clear that he can't choose not to accept it.

 

[barrywpg]

Hellebuyck is being played into the dirt. Far too many games at this point in time, and he needs more rest. Play Comrie more please.

And not just this year. Another coaching fail that cost us in the playoffs.

 

[LowLefty]

I think it would be a mistake to move on Helly. That would insure us to likely years and years of failure

It is the one spot you don't move on when you got a proven commodity. Look around the league teams don't move goalies once they have them. LA kept an aging Quick for ever. The only goalies I can think of that moved where Fleury and Murray from Pittsburgh. Fleury was cap casualty twice and Murray was moved for nothing

The more likely scenario is Helly bounces back next year.

Really a new coach with a new direction is required. The players then have to buy in and you move from there. Dumping Helly is stupid IMO

I wouldn't move him either -
He's not having his best season but either is the Dcore