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He's been good! I see 44 making just as many mistakes and we say nothing. Mind you, they play different roles different minutes etc. For a 7d making close to minimum Stanley is a very serviceable asset.
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Channelcat
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This is strange. Middleton never made contact.
Perfetti is starting to get his game back. He's doing what the coach wants and that is getting in hard on the forecheck, battling for pucks and then going hard to the net to look for rebounds and tips. The puck hasn't been bouncing to him nor has he gotten any puck luck the past number of games but he's adapting and I think it's just a matter of time for him.
Fly just seems to be stuck between doing what he wants and what the coach wants him to do and it's leading to his game being completely out of sorts. He's mishandling it, making dumb decisions and turning it over.
I recognize that the game plan for that line likely doesn't come naturally to either of them and it's different from the more transition based game they played with Namestnikov. It is however a game plan that suits the speed and strengths of their new C so they need to adapt. Cole seems to be on his way towards that, Ehlers is very much TBD.
On the topic of Ehlers, he needs to start sharing the puck on the PP. He is trying to do it all himself and that is taking Perfetti completely out of it on the second unit. No offense to Ehlers but Cole has been better on the PP this year and should be seeing more of the puck. Ehlers should be a triggerman not the qb on unit 2.
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He's fine, I don't really have any strong opinions about him either way. His errors stand out visibly and the things he does well aren't the things that are immediately noticeable so he gets dumped on a lot.
However, he is a replaceable 7D.
Agreed. He's an adequate number 7, the issues for me is it seems we have chosen to keep him over better young dmen. Declan looks good so far for Minny and looks like he may carve out a career as a number 5/6 that can play the pp. Kovacevic looks to also be a 5/6 that can play physical and kill penalties.
Just seems they are dumping better assets because they don't want to admit making a mistake with Logan.
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Weird when I watched that live I thought Stanley ate a shot that KD'd him in that sequence but looking closely at the 3 second mark of this vid. Middleton starts throwing a left but pulls his punch, Stanley snaps his head back so hard (I guess to avoid the potential punch?) that he knocks himself off balance. Is it possible to get an embellishment call during a fight
Yikes that is kind of embarrassing.
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Ya it's weird, but what really stands out is the size and reach of Stanley. What a monster. Even if he sucks at fighting.Weird when I watched that live I thought Stanley ate a shot that KD'd him in that sequence but looking closely at the 3 second mark of this vid. Middleton starts throwing a left but pulls his punch, Stanley snaps his head back so hard (I guess to avoid the potential punch?) that he knocks himself off balance. Is it possible to get an embellishment call during a fight
Yikes that is kind of embarrassing.
Wasn't in the GDT last night but I'm curious what people thought of this? I saw the play and it sure looked ugly when 55 went down, but Middleton didn't seem to actually do anything wrong and he was concerned about Scheifele, making sure he was ok and Scheif didn't seem to upset. It looked for all the world that Scheifele caught an edge as much as anything to me.
Then stanimal rolls in to make Middleton "pay the price". We already had the penalty call and forthcoming PP so my thought was why bother? Yeah, yeah, code, blah, blah, blah. But it wasn't intentional, the call was made, Scheifele wasn't upset. I just ended up thinking the play was really stupid.
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It was nice that Appleton scored.
I've been finding myself yelling at the tv specifically at him a lot recently.
His long stretches of games without contributing can pile up.
It would seem like maybe we have more effective players than him on the roster playing on the 4th line. Last night aside from the goal we saw Apples be quite effective in other ways as well.
He had a good run of games earlier in the year.
Hopefully the better version of Mason can be more of a regular thing (especially if he's going to be glued to Lowry).
I've been finding myself yelling at the tv specifically at him a lot recently.
His long stretches of games without contributing can pile up.
It would seem like maybe we have more effective players than him on the roster playing on the 4th line. Last night aside from the goal we saw Apples be quite effective in other ways as well.
He had a good run of games earlier in the year.
Hopefully the better version of Mason can be more of a regular thing (especially if he's going to be glued to Lowry).
If coaching is as easy as ranking the players by p/60 and giving out ice time based on that, Ehlers is 15th on the powerplay by that metric. Should he be taken off the second unit?
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Opinions on whether Stanley did the right thing were, we'll say divided.
I thought Stanley did exactly what he should. Maybe wasn’t intentional by Middleton but looked like he followed through with his arm and a push to me. Hard for Stanley to know the intent and if he challenged the guy without taking an instigator, I’m all for it.
As for the fight, I noticed the phantom punch live and thought he maybe got something in his eye during the fight and went into self preservation mode.
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He does suck at fighting - guys that tall will have a tough time with balance while throwing punches and spinning in circles.
I agree that he is hard to hit though with that reach and he's always willing to dance if called upon - I'd assume most players don't want to scrap with him with that reach advantage and dealing with a guy that size. If he lands one, it's probably going to put you down.
Channelcat
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Somebody was saying that Stanley didn't see the play. Regardless, this is a league where guys will fight for no reason. I've got no problem with it.
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I felt the same way you do when I watched it live. I saw the boarding incident in the same way, It did look like Schief caught an edge and Middleton didn't pull a Hartman or anything at all.
Who knows perhaps Logan feels the pressure to be a bit more of a physical presence to stick in the line up. I didn't think the challenge was necessary in this case.
Edit: a few valid points being made that it was pretty bang bang and probably harder to judge when Stanley was on the ice in real time if he didn't see it clean.
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If Stanley scored an empty net goal you guys would be saying it was classless and unnecessary.
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In this case it is more about the play that he was involved in and less about the history of the player. Not sure who "you guys" are but I guess I am a member of a new club
I won't argue with that at all.
If I was pulling the trigger I would have kept Chizz over him but in the grand scheme of things I dont think either is a meaningful piece for this team.
We have 2 better options on the Moose that are unfortunately stuck there for different reasons.
I so think they will both play a part before the season is done though.
While I dont think there was any intent (Middleton is a real stand up guy), he did continue to drive through 55 when he was in a very compromised position.
It's like a high stick or knee on knee. Oft times these parts are unintentional but can be extremely dangerous.
I consider myself to be a very clean but 'rugged' player. I get under the oppositions skin a lot. I have stuck my leg out as a reflex, luckily not hurting anyone, but dangerous even if unintentional.
While I don't think a fight was necessary there, it wasn't a clean hit. Fights after clean his drive me nuts. Middleton could have easily ended Schiefele career in that play, and I'm sorry isn't really sufficient there.
Maybe some snow? It was weird
I think Tree stood up for his team mate and did nothing wrong there
I personally believe fighting should be eradicated from the sport. It should be up to the league to dish out sufficient punishment. But unfortunately until they do and do so consistently players are going to be fighting after every questionable play on one of their teammates.
In the context of that Stanley fighting was fine but as I said I wish fighting was not part of the sport.
In the context of that Stanley fighting was fine but as I said I wish fighting was not part of the sport.
I agree with the spirit of this. I do think that in order for fighting to be outlawed (seriously, what other team sport encourages or allows this?) officiating and supplemental discipline needs to get MUCH better.
In the interim, I think what the league can do is use the instigator rule far more liberally. If there's a clean hit and the hitter gets challenged, that should auto be a 2-5-10. At least we can get the nonsense fighting out of the game.
I am so happy that fighting by appointment was eradicated and the wasted roster spots it entailed. I think it's time for the league to take the next natural step
Thanks for the replies folks, was curious to get others' comments.
KD'd him? I like Kraft dinner.Weird when I watched that live I thought Stanley ate a shot that KD'd him in that sequence but looking closely at the 3 second mark of this vid. Middleton starts throwing a left but pulls his punch, Stanley snaps his head back so hard (I guess to avoid the potential punch?) that he knocks himself off balance. Is it possible to get an embellishment call during a fight
Yikes that is kind of embarrassing.
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