Post-Game Talk: Jets 3 - Hawks 2 in OT

[Stumbledore]

Damn your eyes, you beat me to it!

True story: I once mistakenly referred to Flames prospect Pavel Brendl as “Pavel Grendl”; the guy next to me at the poker table, Doc, guffawed in Harvard and said something like “if you think he’s good, you should see his mother!”

We met when I was trying to break into the social group of high limit players in the local public game, and I heard him openly wonder to the waitress how “special” the Daily Special could be, if it was prime rib three days in a row.

I piped up with “surely by now, they’re on to secondary rib?”

He guffawed loudly and asked the waitress for an order of “tertiary rib”, lol. Of course she rolled her eyes, just like when I’d wind him up and get him referring to Banh Mi as a “French Indo-Chinese sub”

Hey, look, we tipped the waitresses well, and we were the only two players NOT sexually harassing them, so cut us some slack

Your personal stories are getting way more interesting than @Inanna's. I may have to switch my infatuation to you.

 

[MardyBum]

Considering the Jets are 3-1 on that stretch, apparently you CAN

Yup just need the PP and other lines to carry. They need to be much better.

How much of that play was on sanberg if at all, as while Stanley was shooting he didn’t seem to realize that there was already a black hawk creeping out the zone, and how much should a defense partner be relied on watching the guy creeping out of the zone when your partner is shooting it? I mean it’s not like Stanley whiffed it in his own zone or was the only D back like with Pionk’s giveaway that lead to a breakaway and a safe by Helly.

I'm going to assume Samberg expected the d to d pass that dmen make 20 times a game since he was the only player open

 

[Channelcat]

Wait, this is the guy in ball hockey that never comes back over the blue line?

Ha ya....my main criticism of Kyle last night was the play in our D zone where he's cherry picking when our D needed an outlet. Ended up being an interception. Basically same play as the game before when Vilardi got intercepted. KC plays a selfish game at times.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Was ehlers diving for the puck the right play most of the time or is it better to keep your feet and be ready to play defence on the next play.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I'm not unhappy, but this team's performance has significantly risen my expectations for the season. I demand better out of the players that are supposed to be drivers. Chef's line isn't cutting it right now. They're defensively porous and getting hemmed in by the f***ing worst team in the league. That is an issue.

55’s line problems are a direct result of the fact that 81 cannot win a board battle and they lose possession almost every time that it’s his responsibility. In all zones. 55 and 13 are doing really well imo, but it doesn’t do any good when your linemate kills every play.

I know how good KC can be as a goal scorer, but I swear if you replaced him on the top line with anyone with tenacity, that line would be dominating. Count how many times he loses the puck in all zones. He just can’t keep a play going.

I’m a big 81 fan in all other areas, but we have to be honest about what is happening out there.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Oh for sure, he's the biggest mitigating factor of that top line. It's also interesting that when he was injured for six weeks, the lines were far more balanced and effectively used.

 

[Adam da bomb]

55’s line problems are a direct result of the fact that 81 cannot win a board battle and they lose possession almost every time that it’s his responsibility. In all zones. 55 and 13 are doing really well imo, but it doesn’t do any good when your linemate kills every play.

I know how good KC can be as a goal scorer, but I swear if you replaced him on the top line with anyone with tenacity, that line would be dominating. Count how many times he loses the puck in all zones. He just can’t keep a play going.

I’m a big 81 fan in all other areas, but we have to be honest about what is happening out there.

Schief’s passes to 81 last night were pretty bad. They were usually way behind him.

 

[bustamente]

Samberg was having some issues playing on his off side again last night, might be time to get Schmidt back if only to get him back on the left side where his has been playing great for the last month or so.

 

[gojetsgo]

Samberg was having some issues playing on his off side again last night, might be time to get Schmidt back if only to get him back on the left side where his has been playing great for the last month or so.

I think stanley's terrible dump to the slot which led to the first goal has most likely put schmidt back into the lineup

 

[Howard Chuck]

Schief’s passes to 81 last night were pretty bad. They were usually way behind him.

55 may not have been at his best last night, but you have to have 3 forwards doing the same amount of work successfully. One weak link will break up the opportunities to hold possession and create chances.

A lot of hockey is played in traffic and on the boards. To my eyes, that is where KC is a detriment to that line. He’s fantastic with lots of room, but other teams usually cover him pretty good.

 

[Jet]

I think people are way overanalyzing the Stanley play. Definitely wasn't the best play he could have made, but I do see what he was trying to do there.

Would have been nice to see Sammy backing up the strong side in the neutral zone as the puck was contested but it all happened pretty quickly.

Thus is the life of Logan Stanley. Every play he makes is analyzed to death and he gets skewered any time it results in something negative.

I really do hope we can move him at the tdl so we can go back to focus on how shitty our top scorer is.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

We're playing with fire when Stan is in the lineup. Better with Schmidt. Even better with Tanev.

 

[DRW204]

Imo Stanley is fine as a 7D and fair if they want to give him some reps.
However if performance based on who sits... Pionk has been our weakest d the last while.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Fwiw

Ouch. Those last two lines.

Predicting that Samberg requests a "fireside chat" with Bowness today.

"Coach -- please can I have Schmitty back? Please can I coach please?"

Bones: [Awaking from nap] "Fuhgeddaboutit, kid. You'll shoot your eye out..."

 

[Romang67]

Fwiw

I'm sorry, what am I reading here with regards to Connor? Are the labels just garbage?

 

[BoneDocUK]

Somehow, I’m sorry I asked.

Yep. All I wanna know is, Who's first or third in points %, Gina or Tommy?

Scrappy game and largely disjointed effort, but props to the Skate Dane and his doughty linemates and to Helle for keeping us in it late. Thought the 4th looked dynamic and what an almost-snipe from Names, JMo played another strong game and that was an OT beauty, from JMo's takeaway to KC's release.

I get it: Don't be mad at Stan. But you don't break up a top D pairing in the league just to see for the 100th time what we saw tonight: some okay D, some decent passes, a panic giveaway and a bottom-of-the-team performance that makes the pairing worse than the sum of its parts.

I think Stanley is by now the player he is and the player he'll ever be. I also think Chisholm is likely to stick in the league and be that solid 5-7 that adds some sensible D and solid transition and PP play -- just as we saw when he played for the Jets. Hopefully Stan returns a roster player to replace DC. But we need to end the Stanley Experiment v9.0 and get back to our best roster and hopefully best lines, IMO, if only because WHAT IS THE EFFING POINT?

Hopefully we see solid games top to bottom against AZ and STL. Looking forward to watching the AZ with family over here, even if I have to use my laster pointer to track the puck a la FoxSportz.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think people are way overanalyzing the Stanley play. Definitely wasn't the best play he could have made, but I do see what he was trying to do there.

Would have been nice to see Sammy backing up the strong side in the neutral zone as the puck was contested but it all happened pretty quickly.

Thus is the life of Logan Stanley. Every play he makes is analyzed to death and he gets skewered any time it results in something negative.

I really do hope we can move him at the tdl so we can go back to focus on how shitty our top scorer is.

We can multitask.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Yup just need the PP and other lines to carry. They need to be much better.



I'm going to assume Samberg expected the d to d pass that dmen make 20 times a game since he was the only player open

Blackwell was open...

 

[CorgisPer60]

I'm sorry, what am I reading here with regards to Connor? Are the labels just garbage?

It's their individual game score, which is an amalgamation of all of their 5V5 contributions. It's just a way to visualise their on-ice performance in a somewhat digestible format. It shows that Samberg, Stanley, the top line, and Lowry's line all had bad to mediocre showings last night.

 

[Jetland162702]

Look Out Bucky

 

[Do or Die]

Who got the OT goal started? Why JM, of course. Assisted on all 3 goals. Stud.

 

[Romang67]

It's their individual game score, which is an amalgamation of all of their 5V5 contributions. It's just a way to visualise their on-ice performance in a somewhat digestible format. It shows that Samberg, Stanley, the top line, and Lowry's line all had bad to mediocre showings last night.

Yeah, I'm getting that. What I'm questioning is why Connor's individual game score on offense is a full 2 points higher than his on-ice offense above average. If the naming isn't garbage, shouldn't there be some kind of alignment between the individual offense 5v5 of the linemates, and the linemates' offense above average?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ehlers last night showed why he should fit so well anywhere as he likes to do things himself. It worked fantastically last night. He also showed that he was able to work well with others as he should have had several assists if Mono could finish.

 

[Jet]

Who got the OT goal started? Why JM, of course. Assisted on all 3 goals. Stud.

Even when he's not talked about he's gooooood. Chefs the way the played that bender Folignos toe drag

 

[CorgisPer60]

Yeah, I'm getting that. What I'm questioning is why Connor's individual game score on offense is a full 2 points higher than his on-ice offense above average.

I'm not sure how it factors to the mean, and whether it's a personal average or league average. My guess is it's a representation of goals and expected goals. KC is a defensively bad goal scorer. I haven't been following how they get their scores that closely.