Player Discussion Jesse Ylonen #56

[Team_Spirit]

Brutal turnover, HP to Ylo for the goal.

 

[Toene]

He deserves a look on the top-6. We don't have much going on anyway and he's showed flashes. Plays well defensively too.

Caufield - Newhook - Slaf (sheltered offensive line)
Pearson - Suzuki - Ylonen (two-way line)
Rhp - Monahan - Anderson (checking line with some bite)
Pezzeta - Evans - Gallagher (grindee/energy line)

 

[Tyson]

He deserves a look on the top-6. We don't have much going on anyway and he's showed flashes. Plays well defensively too.

Caufield - Newhook - Slaf (sheltered offensive line)
Pearson - Suzuki - Ylonen (two-way line)
Rhp - Monahan - Anderson (checking line with some bite)
Pezzeta - Evans - Gallagher (grindee/energy line)

MSL is living and dying with a weak core of vets. Ylonen was developed in Laval as a top 6 forward with a great one timer on the PP and for some reason he is getting zero opps.

 

[Trabdy2]

I'm confused as to why Ylonen isn't seeing any ice time in the top six or significant time on the PP.

 

[morhilane]

I'm confused as to why Ylonen isn't seeing any ice time in the top six or significant time on the PP.

They decide to ease him on the PK (which he barely played before from what I read). That tells you what they think of him.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hot take. Ylonen will be the new Lekhonen.

Lekhylonen

 

[Habssince89]

I think he's going to be my guy to root for this year. I like his game more and more and if he gets a chance to be the shooter on a offensive line, I think he can make some noise. When Dvorak is back, I would love to see:

Newhook-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Monahan-Ylonen

as the top6, because I think Ylo and Slaf could have chemistry together with the latter as the playmaker. Monahan in the middle would certainly help.

 

[EXPOS123]

Hot take. Ylonen will be the new Lekhonen.
Lekhylonen

My hot take is he won’t be with this team next year. A 24 year old vanilla player with not enough drive to be in the top six and who doesn’t do enough to be in the bottom 6 is not exactly a recipe for success.

That he has some good spurts and kills penalties doesn’t change anything- a dime a dozen player

 

[Simarino]

MSL is living and dying with a weak core of vets. Ylonen was developed in Laval as a top 6 forward with a great one timer on the PP and for some reason he is getting zero opps.

We’re 6 games in. He’s gonna have his opportunities on a more offensive role. I don’t know who you’re referring to as the week core of vets, but Pearson is producing so far and Gallagher is bottom 3 TOI pretty much every game. These are the only 2 vets i can see Ylo surpassing.

 

[salbutera]

I'm confused as to why Ylonen isn't seeing any ice time in the top six or significant time on the PP.

As MSL has repeatedly stated, he wants players to own their role. Evans & Ylonen are being developed as PK specialists - even though Ylonen played an offensive role in Laval, like Carbonneau many moons ago, the org see something in him potentially having success w PK & potentially shutdown role

 

[Tyson]

We’re 6 games in. He’s gonna have his opportunities on a more offensive role. I don’t know who you’re referring to as the week core of vets, but Pearson is producing so far and Gallagher is bottom 3 TOI pretty much every game. These are the only 2 vets i can see Ylo surpassing.

Name me one vet that has demonstrated they can compliment Suzuki and Caufield?
Have you seen Ylonen play an entire season of games in Laval and saw how he was being used?

As MSL has repeatedly stated, he wants players to own their role. Evans & Ylonen are being developed as PK specialists - even though Ylonen played an offensive role in Laval, like Carbonneau many moons ago, the org see something in him potentially having success w PK & potentially shutdown role

With limited offensive players why not develop an offensive player into a defensive specialist? Makes sense

As MSL has repeatedly stated, he wants players to own their role. Evans & Ylonen are being developed as PK specialists - even though Ylonen played an offensive role in Laval, like Carbonneau many moons ago, the org see something in him potentially having success w PK & potentially shutdown role

With limited offensive players why not develop an offensive player into a defensive specialist? Makes sense

 

[salbutera]

With limited offensive players why not develop an offensive player into a defensive specialist? Makes sense

Carbonneau had elite offensive production coming out of junior… Ylonen's never had anywhere near that level, but Ylonen skates well and has been doing well on PK

This is a rebuilding team & HuGo are trying to put pieces of the puzzle together, not final products. Those missing offensive players will need to come from within the system or acquired from outside. Dach is a huge part of that offensive component

 

[Tyson]

Carbonneau had elite offensive production coming out of junior… Ylonen's never had anywhere near that level, but Ylonen skates well and has been doing well on PK

This is a rebuilding team & HuGo are trying to for pieces of the puzzle together, not a final products. Those missing offensive players will need to come from within the system of acquired from outside. Dach is a huge part of that offensive component

I would say this...RHP can easily go back to the 4th line and then you give Ylonen a shot. He has the skating, the smarts to play with these guys...why not try early in the season? You have tried just about everyone else.
Perhaps Ylonen becomes a decent 3rd line defensive forward but at least give it a shot. Anderson is killing our first line, RHP has done no more than being a 4th liner so far.
Opening night Ylonen scored a highly skilled goal, not many players on the Habs have that ability.

What's the harm? He chokes and ends up on the 4th line?

 

[salbutera]

I would say this...RHP can easily go back to the 4th line and then you give Ylonen a shot. He has the skating, the smarts to play with these guys...why not try early in the season? You have tried just about everyone else.
Perhaps Ylonen becomes a decent 3rd line defensive forward but at least give it a shot. Anderson is killing our first line, RHP has done no more than being a 4th liner so far.
Opening night Ylonen scored a highly skilled goal, not many players on the Habs have that ability.

What's the harm? He chokes and ends up on the 4th line?

IMO Ylonen is now part of HuGos longer term roster building solution, they’ve played what 6GP into an 82-game schedule? PK is a new role tor Ylonen and he seems to be flourishing, and if that’s a component of the solution just ride the wave and let him keep flourishing with more TOI, since this is afterall the most penalized team in the league.

MSL seems to be taking a slow & steady approach with players in specific roles and development paths - which is causing lots of antsy sentiment amongst the fanbase, who seemingly lack the long road patience required to deal w the approach

I also get the sense, if Slaf’s slow & steady progression continues, he’ll be w Suzuki / Caufield sometime in the New Year

 

[Habssince89]

We’re 6 games in. He’s gonna have his opportunities on a more offensive role. I don’t know who you’re referring to as the week core of vets, but Pearson is producing so far and Gallagher is bottom 3 TOI pretty much every game. These are the only 2 vets i can see Ylo surpassing.

I think if Anderson is definitely playing his way into the bottom 6

 

[morhilane]

I think if Anderson is definitely playing his way into the bottom 6

The only player Anderson worked well with is RHP, so unless they want to try RHP/Evans/Anderson, I'm not sure what else could be done there.

That would free Ylonen for a top 6 spot, but I'm not sure he can handle that workload. Sometimes a player looks good, because he is in the right chair.

 

[salbutera]

The only player Anderson worked well with is RHP, so unless they want to try RHP/Evans/Anderson, I'm not sure what else could be done there.

That would free Ylonen for a top 6 spot, but I'm not sure he can handle that workload. Sometimes a player looks good, because he is in the right chair.

Yup - and they know Anderson is playing out of position, but options at present are very limited, that could very well change with internal (Slaf, Roy) or external options (trade) over the course of the season

 

[Simarino]

Name me one vet that has demonstrated they can compliment Suzuki and Caufield?
Have you seen Ylonen play an entire season of games in Laval and saw how he was being used?


With limited offensive players why not develop an offensive player into a defensive specialist? Makes sense


With limited offensive players why not develop an offensive player into a defensive specialist? Makes sense

Yes, i watch pretty every Rocket’s game. I would love to see him on the PP and in a more offfensive role and im sure he’s gonna have his chance. Its just a standard move for a coach to give the vets some ropes to start the season.

 

[Simarino]

I think if Anderson is definitely playing his way into the bottom 6

3rd line at worst, he won’t replace Ylonen on the 4th line.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Marty is giving the vets every opportunity early.. not sure why, but he is.

Ylonen and Slaf have earned a bit of a promotion over some other guys but it hasn't happened yet. Let's see how things shake out, it's very early.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

My hot take is he won’t be with this team next year. A 24 year old vanilla player with not enough drive to be in the top six and who doesn’t do enough to be in the bottom 6 is not exactly a recipe for success.

That he has some good spurts and kills penalties doesn’t change anything- a dime a dozen player

Guy has only 58gp in the NHL where he had 22 points and just turned 24 a few weeks ago, it's not like he's soon to turn 25. He's a bit late compared to other AHL alumnis who spent a few seasons there, like Higgins, Pac and Plekanec, still IMO habs will have more patience than you do.

 

[morhilane]

Marty is giving the vets every opportunity early.. not sure why, but he is.

Ylonen and Slaf have earned a bit of a promotion over some other guys but it hasn't happened yet. Let's see how things shake out, it's very early.

Bolded: part trusting the vets more, part vet's ego management, part having to showcase a few of them for the deadline.

 

[EXPOS123]

Guy has only 58gp in the NHL where he had 22 points and just turned 24 a few weeks ago, it's not like he's soon to turn 25. He's a bit late compared to other AHL alumnis who spent a few seasons there, like Higgins, Pac and Plekanec, still IMO habs will have more patience than you do.

I mentioned his age just in passing - he is simply not good enough.

Dime a dozen player

 

[26Mats]

I mentioned his age just in passing - he is simply not good enough.

Dime a dozen player

You may be right.

But we just don't know if he can reach a higher ceiling. There are some impressive tools.

Streit came over at 27. He looked awful his first whole year. Then he had 62 points and went on to be an All Star number 1 D.

Like I said you may be right. But I'd like to see what he can do over the next two or 3 years. Maybe he doesn't progress beyond a 4th liner who doesn't hurt us. Maybe he becomes more...

The only player Anderson worked well with is RHP, so unless they want to try RHP/Evans/Anderson, I'm not sure what else could be done there.

That would free Ylonen for a top 6 spot, but I'm not sure he can handle that workload. Sometimes a player looks good, because he is in the right chair.

I wouldn't mind seeing any of:

RHP - Monahan - Anderson
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
RHP - DVO - Anderson
RHP - Evan's- Anderson ...

Ylonen's speed may be a good match for Newhook. The fact that he's still quite green may make Monahan complement him well.

 

[Habssince89]

Scratched tonight for Armia. I suppose he drew the short end of the stick because they're showcasing JA for trade.