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Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?
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Drivesaitl
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Some members need to get over themselves.
1) BLH article is taking a different viewpoint and extrapolating. So what? I guess I should no longer be surprised to realize that some/many people just want to read the same old **** day after day as long as it conforms to their viewpoint.
2) BLH deserves to be mocked because he never breaks anything? He lives in rural Alberta or Taiwan? He has the nerve to monetize his site with some goofy looking shirts? He has some spelling, grammar errors in his work?
3) Some reasonable points are raised in his opinion piece. And I say this as someone who has posted here that JP was dead to me the day he went public with his stupid trade demands. I consider these to be valid points raised in the article ...
a)Translating software is a joke. I work with it everyday. If you are relying on translating software for your final results you either don’t care or you are an idiot. The ‘journalists’ using software for their published quotes can choose which of those hats they’d like to wear.
b)It takes a long time to learn a second language. As someone able to get by in a couple of languages I laugh and laugh and laugh at the people (like the goof in the BLH comment section) who think you should be ‘almost fluent’ in a year or two.
c)It was leaked that McDavid and Draisaitl don’t want to play with JP. It was discussed here at the time. It’s certainly possible that those statements were never made by the two best players on the team. I hope they weren’t. But it raises questions ... I wonder which of the non-Taiwan based, ‘professional’ journalists in Edmonton leaked that story and to what selfish end - it certainly wasn’t done for the good of the team. I wonder why everyone here seems to believe the leadership of the team made those comments, and it’s OK that they did. And I wonder how everyone thinks comments like that made by the two best players, true or not, would affect a foreign kid trying to fit into a hockey locker room.
d) Poor examples (Marody and Brassard) may have been chosen by BLH, but he isn’t wrong to state that there are many many examples of players who clash with coaches when it comes to the best way to overcome weaknesses in their game. Worse, as far as I know, we have no concrete evidence that JP disregarded coaching advice regarding his play on the ice. Maybe he’s just taking longer to ‘get it’? Maybe he just isn’t good enough? We don’t have to run with the narrative that he’s unwilling to be coached on top of everything else do we?
4) @Louis Cypher has been a member here since 2007. His post history shows him to be a reasonable and serious contributor. He posted a link to the appropriate thread in the dead days of summer and called it ‘interesting’. My goodness. What a terrible thing to do. Folks ridiculing him for the post or speculating as to an ulterior motive (he must be BLH) need to be very ashamed of themselves.
C'mon. The article is absolutely ridiculous, a joke, and deserves no respect whatsoever. Its manufactured claptrap through its errant deduction.
Any of what could be considered reasonable points (and I could debate some of them being that) are rendered nonsense by the summary deduction arrived at towards the end of the article.
Could anybody really defend the following quote or premise?
“Sometimes a player and a team are not a fit”… Jesus Christ, you’d think these guys that have been following the game for as long as they have would deduce that the problem is McDavid and Draisaitl. Maybe they have and they just refuse to say it or maybe just don’t believe it, but you’d have to be pretty thick to go with the latter.
My guess is that he’s been hurt by those guys. He looked up to them and really wanted to play with them but they went behind is back (allegedly, if you believe the Edmonton media) and told the coach they didn’t want to play with him and he found out. Ouch! That’s tough."
Of course not, and its incredibly ironic that in the same article that decries all this Pulju blame that it goes full bore on BLAMING the two players that make this club worth watching.
In any article it will be judged on the basis of what it states. The quoted bit is asinine, and indefensible, and a large part of why people have railed at the nonsense, just as if it was stated here.
That Drai and McD would not want to have Pulju on their line is conjecture in the first place. If we're being consistent in narrative were not explaining away all Pulju fault and then putting it on McD and Drai. Clearly that's unreasonable. One can think that star players would not want a dolt like Pulju to have on their line, to drag down their line. That would be fine, and understandable. But to BLAME McD, and Draisaitl and state matter of fact "that the problem is McDavid and Draisaitl" is worthy of the scorn the article gets here, and everywhere.
jebus, theres lots of reason to call out the Oilers, the press, we do it regularly. But to double down and say something absolutely ridiculous while calling out the journalists, is stupid to a fault.
As for Louis Cypher I agree with you there. We can all have our opinions, I trust he didn't write the piece, although I don't know how he could support it on the full either. The hilite of the article is what I quoted. That was the part that was going to jump off the page the moment it was written. So its poorly conceived and written at best.
The premise of the article, in spoken words, is that Pulju is hurt, and its because of bad McD and Draisaitl being the problem and they "went behind his back.. They made Pulju cry. Even though the actuality is the same players bent over backwards to support others and were patient to a fault with other players and unconditionally accepting to Lucic, to Rieder, to Rattie, to Kassian, to Manning, etc, illustrates. McD and Drai are probably about the kindest examples of superstars imaginable and playing the game of hockey where primadonnas are far less often found.
The problem, blame, is on Pulju, and clearly, and the attempts to blame other commendable players(that are left to carry this team every season), and actually state that in the article is disgusting.
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Drivesaitl
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Simpler put, its a problem with writing that we all encounter. Sometimes we say too much. We get on a flow, on a tangent, might say some things that could be productive discussion, or reasonable, but then we fall on a keyboard axe writing something fundamentally stupid like McD and Draisaitl are to blame for hurting Pulju, as well as his struggles.
The writer of course should have stopped before the quoted bit. The moment they wrote the quoted bit the article was null and void. The article maybe had some legs, and could at least be discussed had they not stated that. But when you go full stupid it renders the article, in entirety, null and void. It removes any trace of credibility.
We've all been there, done that, wrote stupid shit, move on.
The article simply should have said that English centric NA Journalism is being lazy, irresponsible, unprofessionally using google translation and such hearsay instead of actual translation and stuck to that. All of that would be true. The article would be fine on that premise alone. State it and end there.
The writer of course should have stopped before the quoted bit. The moment they wrote the quoted bit the article was null and void. The article maybe had some legs, and could at least be discussed had they not stated that. But when you go full stupid it renders the article, in entirety, null and void. It removes any trace of credibility.
We've all been there, done that, wrote stupid shit, move on.
The article simply should have said that English centric NA Journalism is being lazy, irresponsible, unprofessionally using google translation and such hearsay instead of actual translation and stuck to that. All of that would be true. The article would be fine on that premise alone. State it and end there.
ThePhoenixx
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Drivesaitl
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I'm not familiar at all with the site. I certainly don't know one way or the other. It would be the upstanding thing to do for the poster to either acknowledge, or deny that being the case at this point.
Pm if you have proof.
It would be patently dishonest for the author to be quoting their own blogged posts online to defend their stance written elsewhere online. I would like to think that isn't occurring.
The writer could also redact, for the reasons I've explained.
harpoon
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Since you didn’t address anything I posted I’ll go ahead and assume that you don’t actually disagree with me.
Drivesaitl
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Sign of the times. Traumatized. haha.
Any coach trying to make sense of what Pulju might be feeling that...
The coaches just had expectations for the player, and wanted Pulju to carve out an NHL niche. The player unfortunately hasn't done any of that. To the point where I can't even define one thing that Puljujarvi is good at in the NHL after multiple seasons.
harpoon
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PM? Why? Open accusations of that sort should be proven on the board for everyone to see. Absent any evidence ... well, it’s just so much hot air.
Drivesaitl
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Since you didn’t address anything I posted I’ll go ahead and assume that you don’t actually disagree with me.
I've stated my position clearly. Taking more time to read back, and getting more information on it, it seems we do have a match between the BLM article and the alleged poster here who hasn't denied at all that they are one and the same.
The article is ridiculous for the reasons I stated and is indefensible as such. Do you agree now?
The other talking points I've fleshed out a bit in a subsequent post. Lazy translation, sure. Pulju meant to say something different or did say something somewhat different, sure.
But in the context of an offseason where Pulju and his agent have both stated as clearly as they could that they want out, and are not coming back to Edmonton then its not entirely reasonable to blame all this on bad translation either.
The last part is just common sense. If you really struggle with English then perhaps its a bad idea to make grandstanding quotes, positions, and say controversial things or send controversial messages. Because the probability that any of that gets misinterpreted across a language barrier approaches 100%.
Even as Louis Cypher stated here "Pulju, just stop talking"
Pulju and his agent have buried themselves. Did Matheson and Tychkowski get out some shovels? yeah, sure. Did McD and Drai? The latter notion is offensive.
ThePhoenixx
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Exactly. The last thing I am going to do is PM stuff.
Ask him nicely. He will tell you the truth.
frag2
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Some members need to get over themselves.
1) BLH article is taking a different viewpoint and extrapolating. So what? I guess I should no longer be surprised to realize that some/many people just want to read the same old **** day after day as long as it conforms to their viewpoint.
2) BLH deserves to be mocked because he never breaks anything? He lives in rural Alberta or Taiwan? He has the nerve to monetize his site with some goofy looking shirts? He has some spelling, grammar errors in his work?
3) Some reasonable points are raised in his opinion piece. And I say this as someone who has posted here that JP was dead to me the day he went public with his stupid trade demands. I consider these to be valid points raised in the article ...
a)Translating software is a joke. I work with it everyday. If you are relying on translating software for your final results you either don’t care or you are an idiot. The ‘journalists’ using software for their published quotes can choose which of those hats they’d like to wear.
b)It takes a long time to learn a second language. As someone able to get by in a couple of languages I laugh and laugh and laugh at the people (like the goof in the BLH comment section) who think you should be ‘almost fluent’ in a year or two.
c)It was leaked that McDavid and Draisaitl don’t want to play with JP. It was discussed here at the time. It’s certainly possible that those statements were never made by the two best players on the team. I hope they weren’t. But it raises questions ... I wonder which of the non-Taiwan based, ‘professional’ journalists in Edmonton leaked that story and to what selfish end - it certainly wasn’t done for the good of the team. I wonder why everyone here seems to believe the leadership of the team made those comments, and it’s OK that they did. And I wonder how everyone thinks comments like that made by the two best players, true or not, would affect a foreign kid trying to fit into a hockey locker room.
d) Poor examples (Marody and Brassard) may have been chosen by BLH, but he isn’t wrong to state that there are many many examples of players who clash with coaches when it comes to the best way to overcome weaknesses in their game. Worse, as far as I know, we have no concrete evidence that JP disregarded coaching advice regarding his play on the ice. Maybe he’s just taking longer to ‘get it’? Maybe he just isn’t good enough? We don’t have to run with the narrative that he’s unwilling to be coached on top of everything else do we?
4) @Louis Cypher has been a member here since 2007. His post history shows him to be a reasonable and serious contributor. He posted a link to the appropriate thread in the dead days of summer and called it ‘interesting’. My goodness. What a terrible thing to do. Folks ridiculing him for the post or speculating as to an ulterior motive (he must be BLH) need to be very ashamed of themselves.
Oilers Now had a quip about, Leavins also wrote about it. While the former has a tendency to create shit to drive up listeners, Leavins has been just straight up reporting what he hears.
Also, JP has been reported by media that he doesn't listen...either that or he just doesn't understand.
https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/...vidence-around-the-negotiating-table-9-things
They tell him go to the net. He'll do it...once in a blue moon.
Drivesaitl
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Read through the thread again, which I've done again, and it seems clear the poster is the writer of the blog or a contributor to the blog. The poster was asked specifically, and refused to respond while offering aligned similar narrative in several replies.
About a dozen people came to the same conclusion, not that I'm citing plurality as proof.
The poster could clarify, as I stated.
Drivesaitl
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You made the statement, you suggested you know, so you could divulge here, in the thread in which you made the allegation, or to the mods. Whether you choose to PM that information directly to me is immaterial to me.
bobbythebrain
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Some members need to get over themselves.
1) BLH article is taking a different viewpoint and extrapolating. So what? I guess I should no longer be surprised to realize that some/many people just want to read the same old **** day after day as long as it conforms to their viewpoint.
2) BLH deserves to be mocked because he never breaks anything? He lives in rural Alberta or Taiwan? He has the nerve to monetize his site with some goofy looking shirts? He has some spelling, grammar errors in his work?
3) Some reasonable points are raised in his opinion piece. And I say this as someone who has posted here that JP was dead to me the day he went public with his stupid trade demands. I consider these to be valid points raised in the article ...
a)Translating software is a joke. I work with it everyday. If you are relying on translating software for your final results you either don’t care or you are an idiot. The ‘journalists’ using software for their published quotes can choose which of those hats they’d like to wear.
b)It takes a long time to learn a second language. As someone able to get by in a couple of languages I laugh and laugh and laugh at the people (like the goof in the BLH comment section) who think you should be ‘almost fluent’ in a year or two.
c)It was leaked that McDavid and Draisaitl don’t want to play with JP. It was discussed here at the time. It’s certainly possible that those statements were never made by the two best players on the team. I hope they weren’t. But it raises questions ... I wonder which of the non-Taiwan based, ‘professional’ journalists in Edmonton leaked that story and to what selfish end - it certainly wasn’t done for the good of the team. I wonder why everyone here seems to believe the leadership of the team made those comments, and it’s OK that they did. And I wonder how everyone thinks comments like that made by the two best players, true or not, would affect a foreign kid trying to fit into a hockey locker room.
d) Poor examples (Marody and Brassard) may have been chosen by BLH, but he isn’t wrong to state that there are many many examples of players who clash with coaches when it comes to the best way to overcome weaknesses in their game. Worse, as far as I know, we have no concrete evidence that JP disregarded coaching advice regarding his play on the ice. Maybe he’s just taking longer to ‘get it’? Maybe he just isn’t good enough? We don’t have to run with the narrative that he’s unwilling to be coached on top of everything else do we?
4) @Louis Cypher has been a member here since 2007. His post history shows him to be a reasonable and serious contributor. He posted a link to the appropriate thread in the dead days of summer and called it ‘interesting’. My goodness. What a terrible thing to do. Folks ridiculing him for the post or speculating as to an ulterior motive (he must be BLH) need to be very ashamed of themselves.
Learning a second language is EASY,
when you have MONEY.
This clown got tutors from the organization and has had a combined 12-15 months of spare time in the last 4 years to get immersed
It's not like anyone is asking him to be proficient or write a thesis either. The basics are all that's required.
Anybody giving JP a pass for his language at this point in his career is straight
up talking out their a**.
It's clear as day his commitment is the problem
BLH is a joke also, trying to find sympathy for the player like he's being misrepresented in the media.
Most of whats coming out now had been reported by some of us for awhile, but to much skepticism. JP is not being taken outta context in any way................he's simply being EXPOSED.
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harpoon
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Oh? We are on our third Puljujarvi thread of the summer. That’s 3000 posts and counting. Most of those posts haven’t been worth the time it took to type them out - or the time it took to read them. Suddenly the board has quality standards?
What I saw when I logged on this morning was a guy I recognize from years on the site who had posted a link and suggested it might be ‘interesting’. I read the link and found it ‘interesting’. I was a bit taken aback by some of the virulent responses. I felt they were unfair. I made a post stating so. Now if someone can prove that the poster and the blogger are one in the same, that might change my opinion a bit. I won’t hold my breath on that happening though. If you recall you and I were accused of being the same person at one time. Lots of empty accusations on this site.
To address your comments - if you want to have this conversation I think it’s important for you to say directly whether or not you agree that McDavid and/or Draisaitl told the coach that they didn’t want to play with Puljujarvi. Or worse, made comments to that effect in front of a ‘journalist’. Or even worse, said something on the bench that the whole team heard. Don’t go off on a long winded reply about how nobody wants ‘a dolt dragging down their line’. Just let the board know whether or not you think the comments were made.
Here’s what I think. I think they did make the comments to a member of the coaching staff. And I think that person leaked it out to a ‘journalist’ who couldn’t wait to hint at what he knew in his column or on his show and make himself look ‘connected’. You would agree I’m sure that having those comments in the public domain is not helpful.
If such comments were made it’s disappointing imo. Most of my disappointment would be with whoever leaked it to the ‘journalist’. Players should be able to speak honestly with their coaches in confidence. If that trust doesn’t exist it’s evidence of a broken team.
It seems from JP’s agents comments (the team remains the same) that one of the big reasons JP doesn’t want to play in Edmonton anymore is that he doesn’t get along with some team mates. If the problem was with some role player on the team I couldn’t see JP taking such a strong stand. If the problem was with the leadership of the team ... well, maybe JP knows he’s cooked in Edmonton. I think the BLH blog raises that point very well. You may not like where the blog chooses to lay the blame, but I don’t feel that it rises to the level of ‘offensive’.
I don’t like Puljujarvi. I’ve never been a fan. He didn’t make plays and he gave the appearance that he wasn’t taking his job seriously. And once he made public trade demands I was done with him. I don’t care if he ever plays in Edmonton again. I can have that attitude and still find the BLH blog mildly interesting. Sue me.
harpoon
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All due respect that is bullshit. Utter bullshit. It has nothing whatsoever to do with money. It has to do with time, exposure and effort. It’s frankly offensive that so many Canadians who can barely even speak English correctly think it’s a walk in the park to live in a foreign country while trying to learn a second language on the fly.
I was one of the first posters on this site to criticize JP for not learning English - long before he ever made a trade request. He should have done it when he was younger, knowing that his dream was an NHL career. He was an idiot for not doing so and his family, teachers and agent were idiots for letting him get away with being so lazy.
bobbythebrain
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It didn't need to be leaked.
He totes his own equipment through the middle of downtown by himself. A 20 year NHL PLAYER
Pretty obvious what was going on.
bobbythebrain
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Nope. Money. You're being naive.
Money buys you time as you don't have to work.. Money buys you tutors. Money allows you to get immersed.
As I stated, the guy had 3 off seasons with nothing but time b/c he has money. That money also gave him limitless resources that most people can't afford.
That money he has gives him more opportunity than most people get. So no....it's not bs
Comparing him to a foreigner who has to work his bag off is what's bs
guymez
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I agree with this completely.
I was another poster that commented on the English issue a few years back...was jumped on my a cadre of posters on here for it as well. It seemed like there was a group of posters that jumped on anything that didnt paint Jesse in a positive light.
In any event like you I stand by what I posted. Jesse and his group (agent...etc) knew that he was going to play in North America well before he was drafted...so probably when he was 15-16 years old.
Plenty of time to get Jesse to the point of being able to effectively communicate before he played a game in NA.
There are no excuses for this IMO.
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Sempiternal
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He's an idiot. He's on a team with elite Centers and a lack of skilled wingers.
harpoon
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I have a close friend who has more money than Katz. He has spent untold thousands of dollars on English lessons over a twenty year period. He goes to the class, sits there and thinks about something else. Then he goes home and makes no effort. He travels all over the world, has homes in several countries, and has many international friends. He needs English for his business. But for some reason he just can’t get it. He can’t even properly check into a hotel by himself.
Hideo Nomo played twenty years in the major leagues. He used a translator for interviews right up to the end. He made more than $30 million playing baseball.
I could go on. It’s you who is being naive by thinking throwing money at any problem can rectify.
frag2
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BLH is a read you do when you got nothing else to do IMO. His stance on JP though is as bad as nabob's here. I've read his tweets and god, JP can do no wrong in his eyes. It's always someone else's fault for his lack of success.
harpoon
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I wouldn’t know about that. It was my first time reading the blog today. I think I’ve been clear that I’m not a fan of the player. As such I still found the blog interesting. It was a better read than most of the thinly researched stuff put out by the ‘respected journalists’ on this topic. And hey, looking at the blog page, I don’t think the guy is claiming to be some kind of insider or hockey genius. Looks like he’s just trying to have some fun with his hobby.
bobbythebrain
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Makes no effort. Key words.
As per McDavid. He doesn't spend his nites playing vids. He goes out for dinners w his teammates. You know how he can afford to go out NIGHTLY? Cuz he has MONEY
As per JP...he plays vids online to keep in touch w his Finnish friends. He also bolts back home in the offseason. You know what he can do? He can go out to eat with his teammates nightly and stay in NA. You know how he can afford to do both? Cuz he makes MONEY.
I bet most foreign Canadians can't afford to go out nightly for dinners, or stay somewhere foreign for 4 months without working and nothing but free time.
What we do know, by JPs own admissions, is his effort isn't there. But b/c of the $ he makes, we know 1000% the means are definitely available to him
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