Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[McBooya42]

Its totally entitlement, which is what I was stating all along. This is a very entitled player, that expected to land on McD's line the moment he set foot in the NHL, and without any apparent awareness of what is required to be there, or stick there.

This player now expects less than guaranteed topsix, 15mins a game, and has scored 17 career goals spread across 3 seasons. Pulju had only 4 goals last year. He made Lucic look prolific.

For most players a season like Pulju just had would end his NHL career. He expects to parlay it to topsix promotion and NHL teams eager to take that on and compensate the Oilers for doing so.

Pulju is worth next to nothing. Theres probably negligible interest in the player, or his entitled stance.

The only one thinking Pulju is valuable at this point is his own inflated ego.

Its mind-boggling truly. I don't know that he will ever get it, but maybe a year or two in the Finnish league will help. I don't know why he keeps talking to the press. Even Button is wading into it:

 

[Porkleaker]

with the fan reaction, it has a mob mentality in that people pile on, and in that way the criticism of JP is over the top.

However, everyone would forgive him in an instant if the situation were straightened out, especially if he came back and had a great year.

And he's got to know that we aren't trading him just because he wants to be. If he can be traded for a player that will help us win games, then sure. Otherwise, nope. Never.

I'm just glad Chia is gone, he would've traded him for a 4th round pick already.

 

[frag2]

Its mind-boggling truly. I don't know that he will ever get it, but maybe a year or two in the Finnish league will help. I don't know why he keeps talking to the press. Even Button is wading into it:

The fact Button is chiming in is pretty telling given, IIRC, he was bitching about how Oilers handled him, JP has all this potential blah blah

Even the media heads that supported him are turning on him

 

[ChaoticOrange]

From that....
"Through an on-line translation, Puljujarvi is roughly quoted as saying that the language has been a challenge for him. He would like to speak better English and agreed that it has been one of several “small things (that) went wrong”. He likely regrets how he handled English lessons originally organized by the club. It has been widely reported that the team did not take this step. But I in fact am told that was not true at all. Instead, I am made to understand that Puljujarvi was aware of the lessons but “blew them off”."

So if true...the Oilers in fact paid for English lessons and arranged it but he blew them off ...

Man oh man if that's true

That seems to jive with what I remember reading about him as a student in Finland. Didn't care much for lessons, had poor grades, only ever had time for hockey.

That's not that far off from a lot of athletes, but when you don't speak the same language as the rest of your teammates, it's going to make friendships off the ice and communication on it difficult.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm just glad Chia is gone, he would've traded him for a 4th round pick already.

Yup, in this case I'm happy to have a patient, stubborn old man like Holland. He'll sit on Puljujarvi like a mother hen hatching chicks until he gets a trade offer he likes or the player turfs his agent and hires someone that will give him better advice.

This will no doubt piss off the faux bleeding heart "Edmonton won't give him a chance!!" group on the mains (that really just want their team to pick him up for beans) but that's just too bad.

 

[frag2]

I'm just glad Chia is gone, he would've traded him for a 4th round pick already.

And also a plus from us

 

[McBooya42]

The fact Button is chiming in is pretty telling given, IIRC, he was *****ing about how Oilers handled him, JP has all this potential blah blah

Even the media heads that supported him are turning on him

Not just the NA media heads either, if you follow that string of tweets, they're kind of viscous. I should also add that Button's tweet was a response to this:

 

[McBooya42]

Double post, sorry.

 

[Aerchon]

Not that we disagree much but "when he's on" can be a bit misleading. The reality is this wasn't 10% of his time here and virtually every player occasionally looks like a player and has a few good games. Slepy looked like a potential topsix player in the playoffs. There were times where Rattie or even Aberg looked like topsix players. These are limited sample. How a player is evaluated is on the brunt of play, not the exception to their play, had in all too brief instances.

In comparison Yakupov probably had about 3 times as many good games and shifts than Pulju did and he was deemed NHL bust.

Its interesting that not one person, even Pulju backers would deny that this has been a worse than Yakupov player.

I find Yakupov comparisons bad. Two completely different players.

Ask Hitchcock which is the better player and from comments he has made its Puljujarvi by a mile.

Yakupov was a joke on the ice. Every time I watched him I couldn't help but imagine bees chasing him after that quote came out.

Did Yakupov have better ppg than Puljijarvi, sure. Is that relevant?

No.

Not a shot at you, I just think comparing Yakupov to Puljujarvi is irrelevant.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Puljujarvi wants to sit next to the fire where it's warm and eat the food but doesn't want to help with chopping wood and carrying water.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Puljujarvi wants to sit next to the fire where it's warm and eat the food but doesn't want to help with chopping wood and carrying water.

On the one hand I get it - Edmonton screwed the pooch on his development and the fact he now has to go through waivers is no one's fault but the organizations' - but on the other hand, he sure hasn't done himself any favours and allegedly blowing off English lessons - in conjuction with his current situation - sure doesn't look very good.

 

[Pinnerdink]

I’m pretty confident this all boils down to him being ostracized.

I don’t mean this in a way of blaming anyone, but it seems fairly clear they keep reiterating “money doesn’t matter, new management doesn’t matter, team is the same”

I’d place money on the fact that the team from McDavid down made it very clear they don’t like Pulju and don’t want to play with him. So rather than manning up and earning respect back, he’s taking his toys to another playground.

At least that’s my read...
It’s all just bullying/emotion at this point.

 

[guymez]

Of course. He was a slow learner and he as well as his agent didn't handle the situation well but on the other hand Oilers as an organization hasn't been able to develop even other prospects (besides Draisaitl) very well and there is a new coach every year. In addition to that there are "journalists" that fabricate things and deliberately translate wrongly interviews that were published in Finland. That gives an impression that now they try to cover-up the situation. They've had top picks almost every year they never make it the play-offs. How that is possible? I don't like Jesse as a hockey player or as a person because in my opinion he is not the smartest guy out there but still if I was him, I'd go there and tell everyone FU and then I would add: learn Finnish, then we'll talk.

You are taking multiple issues and mixing them into a bowl and then claiming that they have impacted Jesse in some way.
Lets drill down to the relevant issues here...does the team have some blame in this situation...of course.
That said they can only work with what the player is willing to do and Jesse simply hasnt been committed enough and enough of a Pro to fulfill his part of the equation.
Thats the part that you are glossing over.
Not to mention that there is enough nonsense in your post that it discredits your entire position.

 

[Soundwave]

I think it's more to do with Laine and Aho. Puljujarvi has a chip on his shoulder and thinks he is just as good as those two.

The difference is Laine has an elite level world class shot release and Aho has world class puck skills.

Puljujarvi was able to blend in with them when he was younger, but in the NHL if you don't have a dominant single ability to lean back on you can get exposed very easily and that's what has happened to Jesse IMO.

Go to the AHL? No, throw a tantrum instead. Why? Because you think you're as good as Laine. Problem for you is you're not.

He's jealous of their success and thinks it should be gifted to him.

 

[McDNicks17]

I’m pretty confident this all boils down to him being ostracized.

I don’t mean this in a way of blaming anyone, but it seems fairly clear they keep reiterating “money doesn’t matter, new management doesn’t matter, team is the same”

I’d place money on the fact that the team from McDavid down made it very clear they don’t like Pulju and don’t want to play with him. So rather than manning up and earning respect back, he’s taking his toys to another playground.

At least that’s my read...
It’s all just bullying/emotion at this point.

I don't really think bullying is the correct term.

If you don't want to work with or hang out with the new guy at your job who goofs around, doesn't put in any effort and continuously messes up, I wouldn't say you're bullying him.

 

[guymez]

I am saying a large part of why some players don't pan out is chance, that is a fact in my opinion. That does not excuse immature behavior, such as not committing to learning a language (even though I have said before that I think the language issue is over-blown, it was/is one of many issues he has had and not the biggest). What I am saying is that a dedicated pro, as you put it, who puts in the work reduces the chance of not making it while an immature one increases the chance of not making it. Puljujarvi probably falls into the latter category (even though I may not think it is as clear cut as some other do), but I definitely do not believe that it is as easy as saying that if only Puljujarvi would have been able to speak English and had a different attitude he would have panned out as we all hoped.

Edit: Actually what I think about Pulju's behaviour in this matter is summed up pretty good by @Fourier above.

I am not suggesting this at all.
I dont think that just learning English and having a better attitude would be enough.

I am however saying that these things would have helped push Jesse to a much bigger chance at NHL success.
They are important.

 

[The Nuge]

Not that we disagree much but "when he's on" can be a bit misleading. The reality is this wasn't 10% of his time here and virtually every player occasionally looks like a player and has a few good games. Slepy looked like a potential topsix player in the playoffs. There were times where Rattie or even Aberg looked like topsix players. These are limited sample. How a player is evaluated is on the brunt of play, not the exception to their play, had in all too brief instances.

In comparison Yakupov probably had about 3 times as many good games and shifts than Pulju did and he was deemed NHL bust.

Its interesting that not one person, even Pulju backers would deny that this has been a worse than Yakupov player.

Oh absolutely. Just that at 21 you’re still hoping those flashes are going to show up more as he develops. It’s not fair to call him a bust until we know that’s not going to happen

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I don't really think bullying the correct term.

If you don't want to work with or hang out with the new guy at your job who goofs around, doesn't put in any effort and continuously messes up, I wouldn't say you're bullying him.

I dunno, the Oilers brass sure seems to attract a lot of friends.

 

[LaGu]

I am not suggesting this at all.
I dont think that just learning English and having a better attitude would be enough.

I am however saying that these things would have helped push Jesse to a much bigger chance at NHL success.
They are important.

I think I may have made this exchange confusing right off. It was never directed at you, but much more a general point. The only reason I replied to your post was that the angle of your response to the previous poster was a good opening for what I wanted to say. Sorry if that was not clear.

 

[guymez]

I think I may have made this exchange confusing right off. It was never directed at you, but much more a general point. The only reason I replied to your post was that the angle of your response to the previous poster was a good opening for what I wanted to say. Sorry if that was not clear.

No worries.
I guess we agree after all.

 

[guymez]

Robin Brownlee has his take....

Poker Face

The latest from Puljujarvi comes via Finnish television station Laari in post on TSN today. I don’t know if something is being lost in translation, which is possible, but Puljujarvi says, “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal.”

“I talked recently with his agent again,” Holland said. “Nothing’s really changed, so the next couple of weeks here I’ve got to heat up the phone lines and see if I can find a solution, otherwise Europe is probably the only solution. We’ll see what happens.”

 

[belair]

So we have it in writing now. The kid wants a guaranteed top six spot? What a goof.

 

[frag2]

So we have it in writing now. The kid wants a guaranteed top six spot? What a goof.

Essentially "give me top 6 and 15 mins or more and I'll show you what I'm capable of" ultimatum.

What a clown. Does he not realize winning teams don't just give positions to bit players that should be in the AHL (or lower) top 6 roles?

 

[Senor Catface]

To be fair, that's Finnish Google Translate

What he could have said was "I am seeking the hidden sacred elk fat from the white stag of Väinämöinen."

 

[CornKicker]

I doubt it. Draisaitl was being flamed here by many until he had a superstar season. As early as 18-19 season beginning Drai was being heavily criticized on this board. This is after the player already having multiple outstanding seasons and better than typical for his draft position.

Of course its highly unlikely Pulju ever has a great year in the NHL. He might not have another year period. But for sure it would take more than a season to quiet the criticism that the player himself seeded. Typically in the case of such "I refuse to play with the drafting team anymore" results in a lot of problems that are insurmountable.

Pulju had trouble performing with even a modicum of pressure here and with even limited expectations. Now that he's #1 public concern to the fans and probably org alike, the pressure to perform would be 10X what it was.

Even with a good GM like Holland, the pressure is enourmous, probably untenable, and Pulju has created a situation whereby he can't realistically play here now, for this team. The only times this has ever managed to get settled and with the player resuming play for their team, is in cases whereby the player had already established being a bonafide good NHL player. Pulju is a gongshow.

lol many were calling drai lazy last season, so much so that it became a joke on twitter. then he went on fire scoring goals but the criticism was still there