Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[I am the Liquor]

Of course. He was a slow learner and he as well as his agent didn't handle the situation well but on the other hand Oilers as an organization hasn't been able to develop even other prospects (besides Draisaitl) very well and there is a new coach every year. In addition to that there are "journalists" that fabricate things and deliberately translate wrongly interviews that were published in Finland. That gives an impression that now they try to cover-up the situation. They've had top picks almost every year they never make it the play-offs. How that is possible? I don't like Jesse as a hockey player or as a person because in my opinion he is not the smartest guy out there but still if I was him, I'd go there and tell everyone FU and then I would add: learn Finnish, then we'll talk.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Of course. He was a slow learner and he as well as his agent didn't handle the situation well but on the other hand Oilers as an organization hasn't been able to develop even other prospects (besides Draisaitl) very well and there is a new coach every year. In addition to that there are "journalists" that fabricate things and deliberately translate wrongly interviews that were published in Finland. That gives an impression that now they try to cover-up the situation. They've had top picks almost every year they never make it the play-offs. How that is possible? I don't like Jesse as a hockey player or as a person because in my opinion he is not the smartest guy out there but still if I was him, I'd go there and tell everyone FU and then I would add: learn Finnish, then we'll talk.

You call Jesse not the smartest guy and then offer up this little bit of golden advice.

You should write a book called throwing away a pro sports career for dummies.

 

[frag2]

Of course. He was a slow learner and he as well as his agent didn't handle the situation well but on the other hand Oilers as an organization hasn't been able to develop even other prospects (besides Draisaitl) very well and there is a new coach every year. In addition to that there are "journalists" that fabricate things and deliberately translate wrongly interviews that were published in Finland. That gives an impression that now they try to cover-up the situation. They've had top picks almost every year they never make it the play-offs. How that is possible? I don't like Jesse as a hockey player or as a person because in my opinion he is not the smartest guy out there but still if I was him, I'd go there and tell everyone FU and then I would add: learn Finnish, then we'll talk.

Funny how some of the Finnish posters here use EJ as a 'valid' source for when JP plays 1 shift well and then when EJ piles on him for his immaturity, it's no longer a 'valid' source.

smh

 

[Aerchon]

I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.

He just turned 21. Has more nhl goals than all but 7 from his draft class. It isnt that uncommon for a European player to take more time to develop.

I've seen some good passing, some nice goals, and solid two way play.

His play declined last year and that seemed to correlate directly with double hip injury.

The opportunities he has had to date are not consistent with a player of his caliber especially on the PP. I find it hard to understand how anyone can say his usage is consistent with how other top prospects were used. Language or no language issues.

I hate how he has dealt with the situation. He can rot in Europe for all I care. But I really hate false narrative. There is an absolute slander campaign against what is still a young promising legit nhl player.

 

[cpsman]

I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.

He just turned 21. Has more nhl goals than all but 7 from his draft class. It isnt that uncommon for a European player to take more time to develop.

I've seen some good passing, some nice goals, and solid two way play.

His play declined last year and that seemed to correlate directly with double hip injury.

The opportunities he has had to date are not consistent with a player of his caliber especially on the PP. I find it hard to understand how anyone can say his usage is consistent with how other top prospects were used. Language or no language issues.

I hate how he has dealt with the situation. He can rot in Europe for all I care. But I really hate false narrative. There is an absolute slander campaign against what is still a young promising legit nhl player.

This is the bottom line. The biggest problem with this player is his attitude and his lack of willingness to do anything to improve as a player and person. He has essentially publicly attacked his own team, burning as many bridges as possible. Now it is coming out that he refused help and language coaching.

He is the problem and he needs to get that through his head if he ever wants to play an NHL game again, in an Oilers uniform or not. He can pout all he wants in Europe. Nobody here is going to see or hear him.

In my opinion, Puljujarvi needs to really think about his future, work his butt off in Europe this year, fire his agent, then apologize to the organization for his childish actions and ask for a new opportunity.

 

[missinthejets]

It has become very clear that the kid is very immature, but eventually guys do grow up, just a matter of how long it takes. He will be a solid player once it happens.

 

[harpoon]

The Craig Simpson post as well, if you recall, certainly speak of a problematic attitude and difficulty responding to direction and that the org was frustrated what to do with this kid

You’re not wrong there. Simpson was a diligent pro. Probably a dream to coach. When he made those comments I recall them not being exactly well received here. Guess more people should have taken notice.

 

[frag2]

I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.

He just turned 21. Has more nhl goals than all but 7 from his draft class. It isnt that uncommon for a European player to take more time to develop.

I've seen some good passing, some nice goals, and solid two way play.

His play declined last year and that seemed to correlate directly with double hip injury.

The opportunities he has had to date are not consistent with a player of his caliber especially on the PP. I find it hard to understand how anyone can say his usage is consistent with how other top prospects were used. Language or no language issues.

I hate how he has dealt with the situation. He can rot in Europe for all I care. But I really hate false narrative. There is an absolute slander campaign against what is still a young promising legit nhl player.

Because maybe just maybe the guy isn't coachable? Compounding that is he's just not that good at the NHL level. He's got NHL size and thats it.

With all that has come out, for the most part, it has nothing to do with the Oilers aside from putting him on the roster too early [which for all we know, sounds like a mutual thing between Chia and JP/Lehto only]

JP thinks he's all that and deserves a role he's ill suited for. Theres no one to blame but himself for that. He needs to grow the F up and put his ego and pride aside if he wants to be an NHLr.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Once training camp opens there will be so much news that this subject will fade away.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

>>I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.<<

JPs brain has suffered from severe hypoxia due to his head being thrust so far up his anal cavity that I am afraid he is beyond help at this point.

 

[frag2]

Once training camp opens there will be so much news that this subject will fade away.

Honestly, the only reason it comes back into limelight is because JP wont shut up about it. Everyone knows he wants out. It was news months ago but for some reason, rather than tell off media that he's said what he's said and thats final [or the usual player move, talk to my agent], he still brings this crap up

 

[Drivesaitl]

I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.

He just turned 21. Has more nhl goals than all but 7 from his draft class. It isnt that uncommon for a European player to take more time to develop.

I've seen some good passing, some nice goals, and solid two way play.

His play declined last year and that seemed to correlate directly with double hip injury.

The opportunities he has had to date are not consistent with a player of his caliber especially on the PP. I find it hard to understand how anyone can say his usage is consistent with how other top prospects were used. Language or no language issues.

I hate how he has dealt with the situation. He can rot in Europe for all I care. But I really hate false narrative. There is an absolute slander campaign against what is still a young promising legit nhl player.

At no point has Jesse looked here like a top level pick save for some fortuitous bounces and a few plays going right. On the sum of play he's been someone that doesn't go to the right areas, doesn't go to the net, can't control a pass, can't retain the puck, doesn't use his size, doesn't shelter the puck, has trouble passing, has trouble with give and go's, has trouble reading transition.

I wish I could see broken down stats for how many offsides and icings the Oilers commit with Jesse out on the ice. I'd bet its a lot more than when he's not on ice.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Says who? A person in a foreign country doesn't need classes, he/she needs one-to-one private lessons every day or at least three times a week. Of course the situation has been tricky because he has been with the Oilers, which meant long road trips and also with the AHL team, which meant he wasn't in Edmonton at all. However, his agent told the Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat that it wasn't about the language.
Jesse Puljujärven agentti: ”Tämän tason pelaaja saa sopimuksen tunnissa vaikka 30 joukkueeseen”
The agent Lehto says in that interview as follows:
"When a 18 years old kid went to Edmonton, it was a challenge. Should have been able to speak and understand better. Ability to communicate wasn't at the level where it could have been"
"On the other hand, the language wasn't the problem in years 2 and 3. It's unnecessary to highlight that".
According to the agent the problem was the vagabonding. That back and forth traffic between NHL and AHL messed up things.
"It's not question about bluffing. Jesse has been and still is convinced that he wants a change. He is a NHL player"
"A player who plays at this level gets a job from 30 teams in one hour if he wants to. The issue is not that he couldn't get a job in Europe. It's about other things."
"Yes for sure it needs to be a oneway contract when we talk about a player who is at this level. But the question is here that we get a fresh start, a new opportunity. Money could almost be whatever."

Btw, how trustworthy is the Edmonton media? They might be fabricating things or setting up some kind of fake news. Especially this guy who writes those "9 things" lists, seems to be a very annoying person. It's all about rumors what he writes. He doesn't even bother to interview Jesse like at least the Finnish media is doing.

I feel like the bolded must be about some other player.

What level are we speaking of?

I've stated several times I would rather see Slepychev or Pakarinen still here rather than Jesse who has not distinguished himself from either, which is telling. The only reason Pulju NHL career lasted as long as it did was because of him being a high pick prospect. He's been a worse player than guys like Rattie, Caggiulia, Chiasson, Kassian, Rebuilt Gagner, or even Khaira. That Pulju so often falls down the depth chart on a lineup basically devoid of top six wingers is nothing but hilarious. The level Pulju is at is pretending to be an NHL player.

 

[CycloneSweep]

From that....
"Through an on-line translation, Puljujarvi is roughly quoted as saying that the language has been a challenge for him. He would like to speak better English and agreed that it has been one of several “small things (that) went wrong”. He likely regrets how he handled English lessons originally organized by the club. It has been widely reported that the team did not take this step. But I in fact am told that was not true at all. Instead, I am made to understand that Puljujarvi was aware of the lessons but “blew them off”."

So if true...the Oilers in fact paid for English lessons and arranged it but he blew them off ...

Man oh man if that's true

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

He seems to be doing everything in his power to ensure he's playing in Europe this coming season.

This level of entitlement does not bode well for his NHL future, regardless of where he plays next.

 

[The Nuge]

I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised how many are pushing the narrative that Jessie Puljujärvi is a failed prospect.

He just turned 21. Has more nhl goals than all but 7 from his draft class. It isnt that uncommon for a European player to take more time to develop.

I've seen some good passing, some nice goals, and solid two way play.

His play declined last year and that seemed to correlate directly with double hip injury.

The opportunities he has had to date are not consistent with a player of his caliber especially on the PP. I find it hard to understand how anyone can say his usage is consistent with how other top prospects were used. Language or no language issues.

I hate how he has dealt with the situation. He can rot in Europe for all I care. But I really hate false narrative. There is an absolute slander campaign against what is still a young promising legit nhl player.

As is usually the case, the truth always lies in the middle. Is he a bust? Of course not. We’ve seen what he can do when he’s on. But does he also need to mature, and realize that he needs to put in more work regardless of how many PP minutes he gets? Absolutely. The NHL isn’t a developmental league, so while it would be good for him to get more PP time, he needs to prove he deserves the time.

If Jesse shuts up, signs a contract, shows up to camp, and puts in a proper effort, I’d still happily welcome him back. But when he’s trying to force a trade regardless of return, with the assumption that another team is going to treat a 20 point player as if he’s McDavid, as you say, he can rot in Europe.

 

[Drivesaitl]

As is usually the case, the truth always lies in the middle. Is he a bust? Of course not. We’ve seen what he can do when he’s on. But does he also need to mature, and realize that he needs to put in more work regardless of how many PP minutes he gets? Absolutely. The NHL isn’t a developmental league, so while it would be good for him to get more PP time, he needs to prove he deserves the time.

If Jesse shuts up, signs a contract, shows up to camp, and puts in a proper effort, I’d still happily welcome him back. But when he’s trying to force a trade regardless of return, with the assumption that another team is going to treat a 20 point player as if he’s McDavid, as you say, he can rot in Europe.

Not that we disagree much but "when he's on" can be a bit misleading. The reality is this wasn't 10% of his time here and virtually every player occasionally looks like a player and has a few good games. Slepy looked like a potential topsix player in the playoffs. There were times where Rattie or even Aberg looked like topsix players. These are limited sample. How a player is evaluated is on the brunt of play, not the exception to their play, had in all too brief instances.

In comparison Yakupov probably had about 3 times as many good games and shifts than Pulju did and he was deemed NHL bust.

Its interesting that not one person, even Pulju backers would deny that this has been a worse than Yakupov player.

 

[North]

From that....
"Through an on-line translation, Puljujarvi is roughly quoted as saying that the language has been a challenge for him. He would like to speak better English and agreed that it has been one of several “small things (that) went wrong”. He likely regrets how he handled English lessons originally organized by the club. It has been widely reported that the team did not take this step. But I in fact am told that was not true at all. Instead, I am made to understand that Puljujarvi was aware of the lessons but “blew them off”."

So if true...the Oilers in fact paid for English lessons and arranged it but he blew them off ...

Man oh man if that's true

I have to think it is. They wanted his English to be better.

 

[Mr Positive]

with the fan reaction, it has a mob mentality in that people pile on, and in that way the criticism of JP is over the top.

However, everyone would forgive him in an instant if the situation were straightened out, especially if he came back and had a great year.

And he's got to know that we aren't trading him just because he wants to be. If he can be traded for a player that will help us win games, then sure. Otherwise, nope. Never.

 

[Todd from Leduc]

As Captain, Connor needs to step up and call Jesse and patch this thing up so they can move forward and get this kid playing this season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

with the fan reaction, it has a mob mentality in that people pile on, and in that way the criticism of JP is over the top.

However, everyone would forgive him in an instant if the situation were straightened out, especially if he came back and had a great year.

And he's got to know that we aren't trading him just because he wants to be. If he can be traded for a player that will help us win games, then sure. Otherwise, nope. Never.

I doubt it. Draisaitl was being flamed here by many until he had a superstar season. As early as 18-19 season beginning Drai was being heavily criticized on this board. This is after the player already having multiple outstanding seasons and better than typical for his draft position.

Of course its highly unlikely Pulju ever has a great year in the NHL. He might not have another year period. But for sure it would take more than a season to quiet the criticism that the player himself seeded. Typically in the case of such "I refuse to play with the drafting team anymore" results in a lot of problems that are insurmountable.

Pulju had trouble performing with even a modicum of pressure here and with even limited expectations. Now that he's #1 public concern to the fans and probably org alike, the pressure to perform would be 10X what it was.

Even with a good GM like Holland, the pressure is enourmous, probably untenable, and Pulju has created a situation whereby he can't realistically play here now, for this team. The only times this has ever managed to get settled and with the player resuming play for their team, is in cases whereby the player had already established being a bonafide good NHL player. Pulju is a gongshow.

 

[McBooya42]

As Captain, Connor needs to step up and call Jesse and patch this thing up so they can move forward and get this kid playing this season.

The ONLY one who can patch this mess at this point is Jesse.

Poker Face

The latest from Puljujarvi comes via Finnish television station Laari in post on TSN today. I don’t know if something is being lost in translation, which is possible, but Puljujarvi says, “I want a team where I get a place in one of the first two lines and where I get to play for 15 minutes per game. Then I could show what I’m going for. That is my main goal.”
Yes, Jesse. Again, we know. I’ll resist the urge to go on and on that getting a place on the first two lines, as Puljujarvi puts it, with any team generally involves doing something to earn it.

Reeks of entitlement. Everything previously alluded to by Leavins at al seem to be true (hand shake agreement with Chia etc...), and only make sense with Jesse's comments here.

 

[YakDavid]

I want him to succeed here but the more him or his agent talks the more frustrating it gets. Seems he really doesn't understand the situation at all. Wants to be given everything right now. Not sure he understands the more he talks the fewer destinations he realistically has. Teams see this and would rather not take a chance because he pouts and fusses when he doesn't get top 6 minutes despite not showing anything to warrant them and then after only three years makes demands.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The ONLY one who can patch this mess at this point is Jesse.

Poker Face

Reeks of entitlement. Everything previously alluded to by Leavins at al seem to be true (hand shake agreement with Chia etc...), and only make sense with Jesse's comments here.

Its totally entitlement, which is what I was stating all along. This is a very entitled player, that expected to land on McD's line the moment he set foot in the NHL, and without any apparent awareness of what is required to be there, or stick there.

This player now expects less than guaranteed topsix, 15mins a game, and has scored 17 career goals spread across 3 seasons. Pulju had only 4 goals last year. He made Lucic look prolific.

For most players a season like Pulju just had would end his NHL career. He expects to parlay it to topsix promotion and NHL teams eager to take that on and compensate the Oilers for doing so.

Pulju is worth next to nothing. Theres probably negligible interest in the player, or his entitled stance.

The only one thinking Pulju is valuable at this point is his own inflated ego.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Its totally entitlement, which is what I was stating all along. This is a very entitled player, that expected to land on McD's line the moment he set foot in the NHL, and without any apparent awareness of what is required to be there, or stick there.

This player now expects less than guaranteed topsix, 15mins a game, and has scored 17 career goals spread across 3 seasons. Pulju had only 4 goals last year. He made Lucic look prolific.

For most players a season like Pulju just had would end his NHL career. He expects to parlay it to topsix promotion and NHL teams eager to take that on and compensate the Oilers for doing so.

Pulju is worth next to nothing. Theres probably negligible interest in the player, or his entitled stance.

The only one thinking Pulju is valuable at this point is his own inflated ego.

And I wonder who filled his head with those ideas...