Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

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Interesting read about ND lists and outside consensus views on certain players.

It would be more interesting if we actually knew who was ever on a DND list throughout history, and how that turned out. I'd bet theres no shortage of WTF on those lists. They might spot a problem case once in awhile, but they might exclude a ringer once in a while.

Going back to the Pulju draft did guys like Tkachuk, Debrincat go lower because somebody might have been concerned the players had attitude? (subjective)

The Burke Yak thing is interesting, but its a case of a person arriving at the correct answer after doing the wrong arithmetic. Yak turned out to be a bad pick, but not because he would talk about himself at all or would deflect or defer on bad questions. McD, Broberg, Nurse, all come off with confidence. They should be. That should hardly be considered a flag or that those guys might reflect on personal, vs Team accomplishment. Why wouldn't they?

Burke voiced basically a projected view. Because he thinks, after a life in hockey, that team is more important than individuals he projects that on 17yr old kids who are unlikely to have the same view, or maturity, at that age.
Thus there could be wrong answers to silly questions. How much does that really mean.

Interviews, as a rule, do a poor job assessing ideal candidates. No lack of Scientific studies indicate that interviews are very poor at differentiating candidates. Interviews are classic projection. Interviews don't work. Its an outdated concept that just never dies.

MacTavish met with Eakins years ago, looking for an assistant coach, and blew a gasket hiring the idiot as a HEAD COACH. I'll never forget either a red flag moment. That MacT was stating he was so impressed with the guy because he thinks and responded just like MacT. MacT felt he was interviewing himself. This is a flag, and its one that HR that screen people are aware of, and look out for. Just because a person charms you the most, or is most like you, doesn't mean anything as far as their ability to do a job. It just means you like them. Until you don't.
 
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Still wondering what happened with Pulju and his schooling. Learning a 2nd language in mandatory in Finland, and nearly 90% pick English. What kind of slack-arsing did Pulju do through school to manage to not learn English while on the road to trying to be an NHLer?
that depends on the teacher too. I have learned 7 languages and at least my experience is that they don't teach languages very well in schools compared to universities. They don't have classes very often and there is very little speaking. Of course some teachers are better but if you just sit quiet and have to learn the grammar, you might not pay attention. When I was in high school, some not so good students skipped for example Swedish classes altogether and spent that time in a cafeteria. In order to learn language well, you have to have 2 hours everyday like we had when I learned French and Italian from zero at the business school. Of course it's easier to learn English than other languages nowadays compared to the 1980s because of the Internet but still I can understand why not everybody learns it so easily. He has told that he wasn't so interested in school. He just wanted to play.
 
Back when Kekäläinen of Columbus didn't draft Jesse I had a feeling it had to do with his IQ, and not just hockey IQ, but it's pretty shocking to see it manifest itself to this extent and to see the fans turn on him like this. I remember quite a few people on HFBoards expected him to be ready for NHL on his first season and while I was a fan of the guy, unless I'm misremembering, it was clear to me that wasn't the case. I thought it was a problem of him growing up and adjusting physically, I never thought it would come to this.

I never liked Puljujärvi. In my opinion he was an annoying guy, somehow an outgoing person in a wrong way whereas Laine was the same in a good way. I just don't like people who are only goofing around and saying silly things. However, I still didn't think that it was the reason why Keklu didn't draft him. I just thought that Columbus needed a center more than a winger. However, I was really worried about what happens to Jesse in Edmonton because the organization has had so many top picks just in few years and consequently, don't have time to develop every young talented player so well. This boy needed extra attention and I was convinced that Edmonton wasn't the right place to be. I spoke about this topic with my dad that summer 3 years ago and told that the guy isn't ready, it's not going to end up well. Then he scored a goal in the first game and I thought maybe I was wrong...
 
With all due respect the Oilers are the org that picked Steve Kelly first when all of Rexall was chanting Shane Doan here a couple decades ago. Any 10 yr old had the right answer, the Pro team got it wrong. Its not entirely outside the realm of reason that one team, or even a plurality of scouts gets a player, and ranking wrong. In many cases in ranking schemes a notion of order is established by the plurality. Not that its objective, just that in the absence of other information a lot of scouts/orgs/central scouting are going to go with that established order.

Theres several players in that draft that were better than Pulju and that probably ought to have been picked before him. I think Laine is largely what resulted in a couple other Finns being picked so high that year.

Going outside the box you can find a lot of financiers that get caught up in a bad shell game. Invest too heavily in the wrong companies, stocks, or at the wrong times etc, Its usually a rare analyst that can forecast a bear market when everybody else is shouting bull.

In the case of stock, or player evaluation, indicators and evaluation are often very subjective. In neither case is it science. Neither is beyond questioning.

A majority of scouts and teams just two years ago were asking players whether they played Fortnite at the combine. This was considered important red flag information. The hockey world is mostly run by those practicing beyond competence. Theres a few well run teams, mostly they aren't all that competent, and certainly are not beyond reproach. The few GM's and orgs that are any good usually steal everybody elses lunch money and this has always been the case in the NHL.

We're not just talking Oilers scouts here though are we, he was the clear consensus top pick.

There are several players that are better now, and alot of them would go higher in a re-draft, but you simply can't say it was an incorrect pick. Decisions can only be made based on the information at hand at the time. Jesse Puljujärvi was rated as high as 3 because of his performance against peers in the international tournaments. You can't look back at those games and say he was anything short of a top talent.

You say Laine, but I watched every game of that final tournament and I had JP as a higher impact player than Laine in atleast half of the games. There are fans in this very thread that has claimed that it was clear that JP couldn't keep up with Aho in some respects and that's simply just talking out of your ass

Saying it was the wrong pick is an incorrect statement because JP was that good. In hindsight, it was the wrong pick, but that's not information you can blame Oilers or any other organization that would have ended up drafting him for. Players are 17 year olds at the draft, there are intangibles that just can't be predicted.

I am not defending the organization for whatever happened to his development after the draft, but picking him 4th OA was not an incorrect pick at the time. Saying so is easy in hindsight, but using current information to lie and try to convince people you knew better back then is just god damn lame. And I dont regret calling it out.

SURE. You could have had some concerns with language the effects it could potentionally have had on his ability to be coached after interviews at the time. But you can't look at replays and say he wasn't a top tier talent.

I say that and I personally wanted us to pick Tkachuk, because he just seemed like a really coachable and unique player and I thought that it could be worth despite the fact that it looked like he had a slightly lower ceiling
 
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We're not just talking Oilers scouts here though are we, he was the clear consensus top pick.

There are several players that are better now, and alot of them would go higher in a re-draft, but you simply can't say it was an incorrect pick. Decisions can only be made based on the information at hand at the time. Jesse Puljujärvi was rated as high as 3 because of his performance against peers in the international tournaments. You can't look back at those games and say he was anything short of a top talent.

You say Laine, but I watched every game of that final tournament and I had JP as a higher impact player than Laine in atleast half of the games. There are fans in this very thread that has claimed that it was clear that JP couldn't keep up with Aho in some respects and that's simply just talking out of your ass

Saying it was the wrong pick is an incorrect statement because JP was that good. In hindsight, it was the wrong pick, but that's not information you can blame Oilers or any other organization that would have ended up drafting him for. Players are 17 year olds at the draft, there are intangibles that just can't be predicted.

I am not defending the organization for whatever happened to his development after the draft, but picking him 4th OA was not an incorrect pick at the time. Saying so is easy in hindsight, but using current information to lie and try to convince people you knew better back then is just god damn lame. And I dont regret calling it out.

SURE. You could have had some concerns with language the effects it could potentionally have had on his ability to be coached after interviews at the time. But you can't look at replays and say he wasn't a top tier talent.

I say that and I personally wanted us to pick Tkachuk, because he just seemed like a really coachable and unique player and I thought that it could be worth despite the fact that it looked like he had a slightly lower ceiling

I actually stated the reasons why top picks shouldn't be so predicated on short term sample and you respond with the bolded. I'll state it a 2nd time that both Pulju, and Paajarvi, were drafted higher than they should have been based on limited sample performance. This would be an example of how scouts get biased.

I didn't say much of what you are responding to. Do you read the posts you are replying to?

This isn't discussion, its you reacting to what you think is being stated.

ps the second bolded part is even flimsier than your first argument. Players, any, should not be evaluated on the basis of hilite reel replays.

The only part we agree on is that Tkachuk would have been a safer pick. But I don't think it that clear that he had a lower ceiling. Tkachuk was the can't miss player.
 
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We're not just talking Oilers scouts here though are we, he was the clear consensus top pick.

There are several players that are better now, and alot of them would go higher in a re-draft, but you simply can't say it was an incorrect pick. Decisions can only be made based on the information at hand at the time. Jesse Puljujärvi was rated as high as 3 because of his performance against peers in the international tournaments. You can't look back at those games and say he was anything short of a top talent.

You say Laine, but I watched every game of that final tournament and I had JP as a higher impact player than Laine in atleast half of the games. There are fans in this very thread that has claimed that it was clear that JP couldn't keep up with Aho in some respects and that's simply just talking out of your ass

Saying it was the wrong pick is an incorrect statement because JP was that good. In hindsight, it was the wrong pick, but that's not information you can blame Oilers or any other organization that would have ended up drafting him for. Players are 17 year olds at the draft, there are intangibles that just can't be predicted.

I am not defending the organization for whatever happened to his development after the draft, but picking him 4th OA was not an incorrect pick at the time. Saying so is easy in hindsight, but using current information to lie and try to convince people you knew better back then is just god damn lame. And I dont regret calling it out.

SURE. You could have had some concerns with language the effects it could potentionally have had on his ability to be coached after interviews at the time. But you can't look at replays and say he wasn't a top tier talent.

I say that and I personally wanted us to pick Tkachuk, because he just seemed like a really coachable and unique player and I thought that it could be worth despite the fact that it looked like he had a slightly lower ceiling


Maybe some people just saw something about Puljujarvi when he played that made them think he wasn't good enough for a #4 pick... and couldn't give 2 shits about what the parrot consensus "pros" and scouts thought.

Scouts and "pros" get picks wrong ALL THE TIME... EVERY YEAR... always have and always will. They don't have a crystal ball and if you talk to a "real" scout they'll tell you that there's a lot of luck and guesswork involved in projecting those players since their brains and bodies aren't fully developed at 17.

If you have eyeballs and a brain you can make evaluations as well. Sometimes they'll be right.. sometimes they'll be wrong... just like the "pros".

I call BULLSHIT on the consensus because the consensus CAN BE and IS wrong all the time.
 
Personally I was wrong on Yak because I would have chosen him #1 as well... and was right on JP and wouldn't have taken him at #4... but that's besides the point.
The search function remains undefeated. You made several posts before the draft ranking Puljujarvi right where the Oilers picked him.

My list for the Oilers (completely biased and with lots of gut feelings involved :) )...

1 Matthews
2 Laine
3 Chychrun
4 Puljujarvi
5 Juolevi


Past 5 it doesn't matter because they will pick top 5 :) .​
Prospect Info: - The 2016 Draft Thread [Draft Lottery April 30th]

1 The "close to" generational C - Matthews
2 Finn with the big shot and size - Laine
3 Finn with all around skill and speed - Puljujarvi
4 pick of the litter amongst all dmen - Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachyov
5 pick the best remaining power forward in the draft - Tkachuk/Dubois

That's pretty much how I see the draft from the Oilers view... if they keep the pick.

They get a top prospect no matter what, even if they pick 4 or 5.
Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft/ Lottery/ Prospect Discussion Thread (Lottery April 30th)

My personal rankings for the top forwards and dmen in this draft (as of now):

Forwards-

1 Matthews
2 Laine
3 Tkachuk
4 Nylander
5 Puljujarvi
6 Dubois

Dmen-

1 Sergachyov
2 Chychrun
3 Bean
4 Juolevi
5 Fabbro
Prospect Info: - Draft Thread | Oilers Select 4th Overall

The Columbus GM may be able to trade that #3 for close to a King's ransom if some lower team REALLY wants Puljujarvi. Of course that #3 likely won't be traded... but you have to think it's worth a LOT and maybe a key roster player can be returned that will help the team even more.

I think it's quite possible the Oilers would have traded down (or traded #3 outright) if they had won that #3 lottery. The value and hence return for Puljujarvi will be very high.
Oilers and Trading Down

It's a good point that the Oilers may see some value in keeping one of those teams from getting Puljujarvi... but I just don't see the Oilers giving up enough to make it worth the BJ's moving down 1 spot. I see other teams offering up a better, more enticing package to get that pick.

Oilers will get better value trading down than up.
Prospect Info: - Draft Thread | How Far Would You Trade Down?

So... who is the wildcard prospect that could be taken at #2?
Puljujarvi...Tkachuk...Dubois?

Imagine some team goes hog wild over Tkachuk after his Memorial Cup run and trades up to get him... say up to the #2 pick... then another team wants a big C prospect badly and trades up to get Dubois at #3... leaving the Oilers with the fun of choosing between Laine and Puljujarvi at #4 :)
Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft | Trading Down From #4 Less Likely Now According to Stauffer
 



There were lots of conversations made before the draft by everyone here on the boards...

Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft | Trading Down From #4 Less Likely Now According to Stauffer

My final list before the draft was on page 17 of that thread in post #482

My pick for the Oilers at #4 would have been McAvoy and I've said that many times and others have seen me stating that many times here on the boards (I'm sure they were sick of hearing it so they likely remember.) :)

My final rank for Puljujarvi was at ~11th.



This season my pick would have been Kaliyev at #8 for the Oilers so make a mental note of that as well.. will save you time searching as well. :)


All that means squat obviously because I'm one guy with no influence on the team and their picks just like everyone else here... BUT that doesn't mean the consensus opinion on Puljujarvi being worth a #3/4 pick was correct... in fact as we can see... the consensus was VERY WRONG in their projection of that player because he's not a player that has lived up to that draft status and the issues some minority of people/scouts/GMs had with JP has borne out correctly.

Again at age 17 it's difficult to project what a player will be like at 20-30 in the NHL and most scouts (who were wrong) saw more in that player than there actually was and didn't weigh the negatives as highly as they could/should have.
 
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After reading more about the Aho connections, the price for Carolina starts with an unprotected first and a good prospect.

Canes have no need for Jesse and even if they acquired him, there’s almost zero chance he plays on the top line with Aho. Svechnikov was a much more complete player and Brind’Amour kept him on the third line until he improved his play at both ends. Assuming Williams re-signs, they have Aho, TT, Nino, Svechnikov, Staal, Williams, Dzingel, Haula, Necas, Foegele, Wallmark, Martinook, McGinn, plus a deep prospect pool.

If it starts with an unprotected 1st (let alone a good prospect) then I highly doubt there will be any discussion at all.

I honestly think Jesse would have a tough time cracking the top 9 in Carolina.
 
Canes have no need for Jesse and even if they acquired him, there’s almost zero chance he plays on the top line with Aho. Svechnikov was a much more complete player and Brind’Amour kept him on the third line until he improved his play at both ends. Assuming Williams re-signs, they have Aho, TT, Nino, Svechnikov, Staal, Williams, Dzingel, Haula, Necas, Foegele, Wallmark, Martinook, McGinn, plus a deep prospect pool.

If it starts with an unprotected 1st (let alone a good prospect) then I highly doubt there will be any discussion at all.

I honestly think Jesse would have a tough time cracking the top 9 in Carolina.

You missed the point of the post.

Because it seems like Aho is muddying the waters for the Oilers the cost is much greater for Carolina.
 
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You missed the point of the post.

Because it seems like Aho is muddying the waters for the Oilers the cost is much greater for Carolina.

I indeed did miss that, my apologies.

Curious, without pouring through a bunch of posts, how is Aho muddying the waters? Is it HF speculation because they are friends and Aho’s father is GM of Karpat, or is there real information?
 
There were lots of conversations made before the draft by everyone here on the boards...

Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft | Trading Down From #4 Less Likely Now According to Stauffer

My final list before the draft was on page 17 of that thread in post #482

My pick for the Oilers at #4 would have been McAvoy and I've said that many times and others have seen me stating that many times here on the boards (I'm sure they were sick of hearing it so they likely remember.) :)

My final rank for Puljujarvi was at ~11th.



This season my pick would have been Kaliyev at #8 for the Oilers so make a mental note of that as well.. will save you time searching as well. :)


All that means squat obviously because I'm one guy with no influence on the team and their picks just like everyone else here... BUT that doesn't mean the consensus opinion on Puljujarvi being worth a #3/4 pick was correct... in fact as we can see... the consensus was VERY WRONG in their projection of that player because he's not a player that has lived up to that draft status and the issues some minority of people/scouts/GMs had with JP has borne out correctly.

Again at age 17 it's difficult to project what a player will be like at 20-30 in the NHL and most scouts (who were wrong) saw more in that player than there actually was and didn't weigh the negatives as highly as they could/should have.
That was posted on June 21. The next day you were happy about the possiblity of the Oilers getting to choose between Laine and Puljujarvi:

So... who is the wildcard prospect that could be taken at #2?
Puljujarvi...Tkachuk...Dubois?

Imagine some team goes hog wild over Tkachuk after his Memorial Cup run and trades up to get him... say up to the #2 pick... then another team wants a big C prospect badly and trades up to get Dubois at #3... leaving the Oilers with the fun of choosing between Laine and Puljujarvi at #4 :)
Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft | Trading Down From #4 Less Likely Now According to Stauffer

You consistently ranked him as a top-5 pick and had no problems with the Oilers taking him at #4. It's dishonest to now claim you were right and the professional scouting services/general consensus were wrong.
 
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That was posted on June 21. The next day you were happy about the possiblity of the Oilers getting to choose between Laine and Puljujarvi:


Prospect Info: - 2016 Draft | Trading Down From #4 Less Likely Now According to Stauffer

You consistently ranked him as a top-5 pick and had no problems with the Oilers taking him at #4. It's dishonest to now claim you were right and the professional scouting services/general consensus were wrong.


I gave you the link to my list of final rankings.. if you choose to ignore that.. your choice because it fits your agenda better I guess.


Here's further posts I made...


"I'd be pretty shocked if Matthews-Laine didn't go 1-2.

I wouldn't at all be shocked if Puljujarvi didn't go #3... in fact if I were a betting man I'd say the odds are very high that some prospect other than Puljujarvi goes at that #3 spot."

.........

"I don't think anyone honestly knows if there's a true #1 in this draft until several years down the road... there could very well be a #1 lurking in the late 1st or early 2nd round of this draft... and who knows.. Sergachev/Chychrun/Juolevi/McAvoy could be #1's... only time will tell.

No one knew Duncan Keith was a #1 either when he was drafted.

If I was a betting man.. I definitely put money on a #1 dman rising up from this draft... the obvious problem though is... picking which one. :)"

........

"I'm not necessarily a huge Dubois backer (if pushed to choose, I'd go with McAvoy as the perfect pick)... but if Dubois is a solid 2-way player with good wheels and is even average on the dot... I see no reason why his game can't translate to centre at the NHL level.

There are certainly players who are power forwards who started their careers as a winger and then adapted to C... the most famous likely being Messier."






You are picking out just pieces of conversations everyone had about all the prospects and trying to say I'm a liar about where I had Puljujarvi ranked.


I had McAvoy ranked at #3 and Puljujarvi ranked at #11 in my final rankings as I've shown up above.


Obviously the Oilers weren't going to pick McAvoy at #3 and they'd likely go with Puljujarvi because they along with most other scouts were seeing something that wasn't there in Puljujarvi... and they got it wrong... obviously.



Doesn't matter that I was right and the Oilers and other scouts were wrong because that had ZERO effect on the draft because no one listens to any of us here and uses that for their draft analysis... but hey of it makes you feel better... you can pretend whatever you like and distort whatever you want in your mind.


Here's another one to keep in your head while we are at it since you are tracking comments and threads so closely... Kaliyev is better than Broberg... that's not a consensus pick either and scouts got it wrong on Kaliyev. :)



Since you seem bored and like to look at my past postings... here's some more to read about my comments on McAvoy...


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My ranking list for that 1st round of the draft:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-17#post-119578035

Threads where I said I wanted the Oilers to choose him at #4 and that I felt McAvoy was the best dman in the draft...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-15#post-119531279
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-you-trade-down.2080487/page-3#post-118616417
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-20#post-118056255
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...you-trade-down.2080487/page-10#post-118810063
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-21#post-118063917
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/the-2016-nhl-entry-draft-part-3.2095705/page-10#post-119846649


Here's a bonus posting for you to further dazzle you with my drafting/scouting prowess :) ...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-1st-round-pick-s.933267/page-5#post-34050231

I would have taken Kucherov in 2011 (you know the guy who's leading the entire NHL in scoring right now... ya that guy... as the Oilers pick in the 2nd round instead of "safe and busty" Musil.)

I said at the time Kucherov was likely the BPA of that entire draft. Turned out pretty accurate.



 
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I gave you the link to my list of final rankings.. if you choose to ignore that.. your choice because it fits your agenda better I guess.


Here's further posts I made...


"I'd be pretty shocked if Matthews-Laine didn't go 1-2.

I wouldn't at all be shocked if Puljujarvi didn't go #3... in fact if I were a betting man I'd say the odds are very high that some prospect other than Puljujarvi goes at that #3 spot."

.........

"I don't think anyone honestly knows if there's a true #1 in this draft until several years down the road... there could very well be a #1 lurking in the late 1st or early 2nd round of this draft... and who knows.. Sergachev/Chychrun/Juolevi/McAvoy could be #1's... only time will tell.

No one knew Duncan Keith was a #1 either when he was drafted.

If I was a betting man.. I definitely put money on a #1 dman rising up from this draft... the obvious problem though is... picking which one. :)"

........

"I'm not necessarily a huge Dubois backer (if pushed to choose, I'd go with McAvoy as the perfect pick)... but if Dubois is a solid 2-way player with good wheels and is even average on the dot... I see no reason why his game can't translate to centre at the NHL level.

There are certainly players who are power forwards who started their careers as a winger and then adapted to C... the most famous likely being Messier."






You are picking out just pieces of conversations everyone had about all the prospects and trying to say I'm a liar about where I had Puljujarvi ranked.


I had McAvoy ranked at #3 and Puljujarvi ranked at #11 in my final rankings as I've shown up above.


Obviously the Oilers weren't going to pick McAvoy at #3 and they'd likely go with Puljujarvi because they along with most other scouts were seeing something that wasn't there in Puljujarvi... and they got it wrong... obviously.



Doesn't matter that I was right and the Oilers and other scouts were wrong because that had ZERO effect on the draft because no one listens to any of us here and uses that for their draft analysis... but hey of it makes you feel better... you can pretend whatever you like and distort whatever you want in your mind.


Here's another one to keep in your head while we are at it since you are tracking comments and threads so closely... Kaliyev is better than Broberg... that's not a consensus pick either and scouts got it wrong on Kaliyev. :)



Since you seem bored and like to look at my past postings... here's some more to read about my comments on McAvoy...


..........................................................................
My ranking list for that 1st round of the draft:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-17#post-119578035

Threads where I said I wanted the Oilers to choose him at #4 and that I felt McAvoy was the best dman in the draft...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-15#post-119531279
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-you-trade-down.2080487/page-3#post-118616417
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-20#post-118056255
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...you-trade-down.2080487/page-10#post-118810063
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-21#post-118063917
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/the-2016-nhl-entry-draft-part-3.2095705/page-10#post-119846649


Here's a bonus posting for you to further dazzle you with my drafting/scouting prowess :) ...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-1st-round-pick-s.933267/page-5#post-34050231

I would have taken Kucherov in 2011 (you know the guy who's leading the entire NHL in scoring right now... ya that guy... as the Oilers pick in the 2nd round instead of "safe and busty" Musil.)

I said at the time Kucherov was likely the BPA of that entire draft. Turned out pretty accurate.



Wow do you ever love yourself.
 
I gave you the link to my list of final rankings.. if you choose to ignore that.. your choice because it fits your agenda better I guess.


Here's further posts I made...


"I'd be pretty shocked if Matthews-Laine didn't go 1-2.

I wouldn't at all be shocked if Puljujarvi didn't go #3... in fact if I were a betting man I'd say the odds are very high that some prospect other than Puljujarvi goes at that #3 spot."

.........

"I don't think anyone honestly knows if there's a true #1 in this draft until several years down the road... there could very well be a #1 lurking in the late 1st or early 2nd round of this draft... and who knows.. Sergachev/Chychrun/Juolevi/McAvoy could be #1's... only time will tell.

No one knew Duncan Keith was a #1 either when he was drafted.

If I was a betting man.. I definitely put money on a #1 dman rising up from this draft... the obvious problem though is... picking which one. :)"

........

"I'm not necessarily a huge Dubois backer (if pushed to choose, I'd go with McAvoy as the perfect pick)... but if Dubois is a solid 2-way player with good wheels and is even average on the dot... I see no reason why his game can't translate to centre at the NHL level.

There are certainly players who are power forwards who started their careers as a winger and then adapted to C... the most famous likely being Messier."






You are picking out just pieces of conversations everyone had about all the prospects and trying to say I'm a liar about where I had Puljujarvi ranked.


I had McAvoy ranked at #3 and Puljujarvi ranked at #11 in my final rankings as I've shown up above.


Obviously the Oilers weren't going to pick McAvoy at #3 and they'd likely go with Puljujarvi because they along with most other scouts were seeing something that wasn't there in Puljujarvi... and they got it wrong... obviously.



Doesn't matter that I was right and the Oilers and other scouts were wrong because that had ZERO effect on the draft because no one listens to any of us here and uses that for their draft analysis... but hey of it makes you feel better... you can pretend whatever you like and distort whatever you want in your mind.


Here's another one to keep in your head while we are at it since you are tracking comments and threads so closely... Kaliyev is better than Broberg... that's not a consensus pick either and scouts got it wrong on Kaliyev. :)



Since you seem bored and like to look at my past postings... here's some more to read about my comments on McAvoy...


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My ranking list for that 1st round of the draft:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-17#post-119578035

Threads where I said I wanted the Oilers to choose him at #4 and that I felt McAvoy was the best dman in the draft...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ng-to-stauffer.2087995/page-15#post-119531279
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-you-trade-down.2080487/page-3#post-118616417
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-20#post-118056255
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...you-trade-down.2080487/page-10#post-118810063
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...rall-selection.2073015/page-21#post-118063917
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/the-2016-nhl-entry-draft-part-3.2095705/page-10#post-119846649


Here's a bonus posting for you to further dazzle you with my drafting/scouting prowess :) ...

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...-1st-round-pick-s.933267/page-5#post-34050231

I would have taken Kucherov in 2011 (you know the guy who's leading the entire NHL in scoring right now... ya that guy... as the Oilers pick in the 2nd round instead of "safe and busty" Musil.)

I said at the time Kucherov was likely the BPA of that entire draft. Turned out pretty accurate.



None of those links go anywhere.

In your own words Puljujarvi was a top player in the draft. Did you ever say he was overrated or the Oilers shouldn't take him, like you are claiming now?
 
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None of those links go anywhere.

In your own words Puljujarvi was a top player in the draft. Did you ever say he was overrated or the Oilers shouldn't take him, like you are claiming now?

For someone who claims to be so good at searching and coming up with past threads and posts... you may need to upgrade your skills a bit more :)... so here's my posts from the links above (maybe you have your forum settings different so you can't see them... not sure why you can't click on them but the posts are below for your reference).


June 20th 2016:
"Simple solution to the "handedness" problem... simply take McAvoy at #4... he's an excellent prospect AND he's a RHD... perfect combo.

Would I take him at #4... yes I would and why not... if people are debating Sergachyov/Chychrun/Juolevi at #4... I see no reason at all to believe that McAvoy won't be every bit as good as them or better.

Take McAvoy... the most promising looking RHD at #4 unless a trade comes along that obviously makes that #4 worth trading away (not likely to happen imo)."


May 24th 2016:

I have to state clearly that I think McAvoy is the best pick for the Oilers at #4... good size, all-around dman who is also a RHD... perfect combo.

I know almost no one would pick him at #4... and most prudent way to go about it would be to trade down to acquire him... but I believe he has a very strong chance of being the best dman in this draft and I wold support an "off the board" pick of McAvoy at #4 by the Oilers (but again even better if they an somehow pick up an asset and trade down to get McAvoy).


May 8th 2016:
I feel Charlie McAvoy is being severely underrated and I have to start pushing him here on the boards. I feel he could very well be the best dman in this draft. He put up solid numbers as a freshman in the NCAA... every bit as good as Hanifin/Werenski did last season.

He's got solid size at 6' 208 lbs and has a mean streak to go along with it. Skates well... heavy shot... good on the PP. Plus he's a RH shot... which is a huge bonus.

Here's a short write up...

The Draft Analyst - March 25, 2016 - "He’s a confident puck carrier who attacks openings with speed, but can also slow it down and patiently weigh his options. Always moving his feet, McAvoy is capable of slipping through gaps without the puck, or stickhandling around traffic while keeping the puck close to his body. He has a heavy shot that can be delivered with accuracy, and his passes are tape to tape, An undervalued part of his game is physicality, which gets him in hot water as he’s still learning the difference between a timely, legal bone-crushing hit and gross negligence of the rule book."


I'll go on record right now saying I think this is the dman the Oilers should take in the 1st round with their pick.

Yes even at #4... but obviously since he's not regarded that highly by many... trading down to snag him would be optimal... but I really hope they do pick him somehow as I think he has #1D potential and the fact he's a RHD is a nice bonus.

He's my personal pick over all other players in this draft for that #4 pick of the Oilers.

May 29th 2016:
It's the same knock against Tkachuk... he gets penalized for playing on a good, high scoring team. Personally I do have a few dmen higher than Juolevi though... especially McAvoy who I think is the best bet for an all-around rhd in this draft.


May 9th 2016:
I like Sergachev and Chychrun as well... and if the Oilers chose one of them at #4... they wouldn't be "bad" choices. It's just that I think McAvoy has the best combo of size, skill and physicality and the fact that he's a RH shot cements him as the #1 dman prospect for me in this draft... but even if he was a LH shot I'd still choose him as the #1 dman prospect.

Sergachev looks good as well and to me he's #2 with Chychrun #3.​
 
For someone who claims to be so good at searching and coming up with past threads and posts... you may need to upgrade your skills a bit more :)... so here's my posts from the links above (maybe you have your forum settings different so you can't see them... not sure why you can't click on them but the posts are below for your reference).
I clicked your links. They don't go to your posts, just a random page in the thread it was posted in.

June 20th 2016:
"Simple solution to the "handedness" problem... simply take McAvoy at #4... he's an excellent prospect AND he's a RHD... perfect combo.

Would I take him at #4... yes I would and why not... if people are debating Sergachyov/Chychrun/Juolevi at #4... I see no reason at all to believe that McAvoy won't be every bit as good as them or better.

Take McAvoy... the most promising looking RHD at #4 unless a trade comes along that obviously makes that #4 worth trading away (not likely to happen imo)."


May 24th 2016:

I have to state clearly that I think McAvoy is the best pick for the Oilers at #4... good size, all-around dman who is also a RHD... perfect combo.

I know almost no one would pick him at #4... and most prudent way to go about it would be to trade down to acquire him... but I believe he has a very strong chance of being the best dman in this draft and I wold support an "off the board" pick of McAvoy at #4 by the Oilers (but again even better if they an somehow pick up an asset and trade down to get McAvoy).


May 8th 2016:
I feel Charlie McAvoy is being severely underrated and I have to start pushing him here on the boards. I feel he could very well be the best dman in this draft. He put up solid numbers as a freshman in the NCAA... every bit as good as Hanifin/Werenski did last season.

He's got solid size at 6' 208 lbs and has a mean streak to go along with it. Skates well... heavy shot... good on the PP. Plus he's a RH shot... which is a huge bonus.

Here's a short write up...

The Draft Analyst - March 25, 2016 - "He’s a confident puck carrier who attacks openings with speed, but can also slow it down and patiently weigh his options. Always moving his feet, McAvoy is capable of slipping through gaps without the puck, or stickhandling around traffic while keeping the puck close to his body. He has a heavy shot that can be delivered with accuracy, and his passes are tape to tape, An undervalued part of his game is physicality, which gets him in hot water as he’s still learning the difference between a timely, legal bone-crushing hit and gross negligence of the rule book."


I'll go on record right now saying I think this is the dman the Oilers should take in the 1st round with their pick.

Yes even at #4... but obviously since he's not regarded that highly by many... trading down to snag him would be optimal... but I really hope they do pick him somehow as I think he has #1D potential and the fact he's a RHD is a nice bonus.

He's my personal pick over all other players in this draft for that #4 pick of the Oilers.

May 29th 2016:
It's the same knock against Tkachuk... he gets penalized for playing on a good, high scoring team. Personally I do have a few dmen higher than Juolevi though... especially McAvoy who I think is the best bet for an all-around rhd in this draft.


May 9th 2016:
I like Sergachev and Chychrun as well... and if the Oilers chose one of them at #4... they wouldn't be "bad" choices. It's just that I think McAvoy has the best combo of size, skill and physicality and the fact that he's a RH shot cements him as the #1 dman prospect for me in this draft... but even if he was a LH shot I'd still choose him as the #1 dman prospect.

Sergachev looks good as well and to me he's #2 with Chychrun #3.​
Okay? None of this has any relevance to what we are discussing.

Where are your posts in 2016 saying Puljujarvi is overrated and the Oilers shouldn't draft him?
 
Click the links, they don't go to your posts.



Okay? None of this has any relevance to what we are discussing.

Where are your posts in 2016 saying Puljujarvi is overrated and the Oilers shouldn't draft him?


The links DO go to my posts when I click them... for ME... you may have your settings set differently... but this has been an issue in the past as well... it may have something to do with how people set their forum settings in their profiles.

That's why I cut and pasted my postings up above.



I said CLEARLY that I wanted to choose McAvoy at #4.. and my postings up above show that.

I didn't say Puljujarvi was garbage... I ranked him #11... and obviously #11 is still a decent pick... just that I had others ahead of him in my final list and McAvoy was my pick at #4 for the Oilers.


Not sure why you think I'm lying... there's lots of shit picks I've made over the years as well... so I'm not perfect... just like no scouts and pros are perfect. :)
 
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Not sure why you think I'm lying... there's lots of **** picks I've made over the years as well... so I'm not perfect... just like no scouts and pros are perfect. :)
Probably because you're in here three years later saying he was actually overrated, he was drafted too high, you never would have drafted him #4 (despite multiple posts ranking here them), and you were right all along.

If you're going to fancy yourself a draft expert don't try to change your original opinion years later to make yourself look better. You're arguing against your own words in here.
 
Canes have no need for Jesse and even if they acquired him, there’s almost zero chance he plays on the top line with Aho. Svechnikov was a much more complete player and Brind’Amour kept him on the third line until he improved his play at both ends. Assuming Williams re-signs, they have Aho, TT, Nino, Svechnikov, Staal, Williams, Dzingel, Haula, Necas, Foegele, Wallmark, Martinook, McGinn, plus a deep prospect pool.

If it starts with an unprotected 1st (let alone a good prospect) then I highly doubt there will be any discussion at all.

I honestly think Jesse would have a tough time cracking the top 9 in Carolina.

You missed the point of the post.

Because it seems like Aho is muddying the waters for the Oilers the cost is much greater for Carolina.

I doubt Carolina would give up any real asset. I'm sure they'd love to get him for the next to nothing he's worth now. I would do a project for project trade with any other team in the league but Carolina would have to pay more than he was worth on draft day.
You can't reward this sort of behaviour.
 
Probably because you're in here three years later saying he was actually overrated, he was drafted too high, you never would have drafted him #4 (despite multiple posts ranking here them), and you were right all along.

Well yes I would have drafted McAvoy at #4 (not that I or anyone else here has any input into that decision)... Puljujarvi WAS overrated (which is clearly known now by all but only a few saw that then apparently) and he WAS drafted too high.


Doesn't matter that I was right all along and other scouts/posters/ were wrong... Oilers chose a player that they felt was worthy of that pick.. who turned out not to be... some saw that he had issues that made him not worthy of that #3 status he had... most didn't.

He's certainly not the 1st overrated prospect who was chosen too high and certainly won't be the last... such are the vagaries of trying to project a 17 year old mind/body 3-10 years forward in time.
 
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