Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[LMFAO]

At this point all we can hope is Pulju destroys the Liiga this season and next summer some team offers a mid to late first rounder for him.

 

[tellermine]

At this point all we can hope is Pulju destroys the Liiga this season and next summer some team offers a mid to late first rounder for him.

He can actually at least make good numbers in Kärpät.
Kärpät will have op team again so he will enjoy some easy points.
Hopefully enough to fool one GM.

 

[LMFAO]

He can actually at least make good numbers in Kärpät.
Kärpät will have op team again so he will enjoy some easy points.
Hopefully enough to fool one GM.

Yyp... pretty sure Pulju will end up with one of his finnish buddies... I'm looking at you Carolina, Winnipeg and Colorado

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Except for the team with the Finnish GM and Finnish Director of Scouting who interviewed **** For Brains in Finnish.

How do you know they didn’t have him top 4?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

His lack of development is on him just as much as it is on the Oilers. Probably more so.

You have no idea that he wouldn’t have been a bust if he developed on a different team. Would he just suddenly be willing to actually listen and change/improve his game on a different team?

You have no idea that he would have been a busy if he developed on a different team.

I agree it’s as much of his issue than the oilers.

They should of left him in Finland for atleast another year or two. But chiarelli saw him as the Savior after trading hall

 

[I am the Liquor]

You have no idea that he would have been a busy if he developed on a different team.

I agree it’s as much of his issue than the oilers.

They should of left him in Finland for atleast another year or two. But chiarelli saw him as the Savior after trading hall

He had a language barrier, was uncoachable, didn’t know where to go or what to do, more than one established/experienced coach tried, but to no avail, and now he is quitting on the team.

What would another team have done differently to alter his trajectory? And if your answer is leave him in Finland for another year, how does that address the issues I have raised?

 

[Fourier]

Normally, I don't dump on young players. But he is showing a lot of immaturity here. Playing in the NHL is a rare opportunity that a lot of guys would kill for. Puljujarvi had a chance to come back with a new coach and new management and show that he has learned what it takes to be a pro. Eat a little humble pie and I have no doubt guys like McDavid would be helpful. Then if he wants a trade I am sure the team would accommodate him. BUt there is no way they should just let him dictate where he will and won't play in the NHL until he has earned that right as a UFA.

How much further ahead would this team be right now if he and Yak had reached their upside as draft prospects.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

How do you know they didn’t have him top 4?

Kekalainen said it during an interview last year.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He had a language barrier, was uncoachable, didn’t know where to go or what to do, more than one established/experienced coach tried, but to no avail, and now he is quitting on the team.

What would another team have done differently to alter his trajectory? And if your answer is leave him in Finland for another year, how does that address the issues I have raised?

Language barrier doesn’t mean anything or his problem.

Language barrier never stopped Malkin from being a good player, and he still barely knows English

 

[guymez]

Language barrier doesn’t mean anything or his problem.

Language barrier never stopped Malkin from being a good player, and he still barely knows English

Esa Tikkanen is another example.

 

[TKB21]

Language barrier doesn’t mean anything or his problem.

Language barrier never stopped Malkin from being a good player, and he still barely knows English

Please don’t ever compare puljujarvi to Malkin in any respect again. Even if it’s that they both can’t speak English. In Malkins case he just had way to much talent to overcome the language barrier, Jesse doesn’t have a quarter of his talent.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Please don’t ever compare puljujarvi to Malkin in any respect again. Even if it’s that they both can’t speak English. In Malkins case he just had way to much talent to overcome the language barrier, Jesse doesn’t have a quarter of his talent.

Please learn how to comprehend what I typed.

I was explaining that exact thing you typed.

And i'll do as I please, thanks for your concern.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Please learn how to comprehend what I typed.

I was explaining that exact thing you typed.

And i'll do as I please, thanks for your concern.

Except your post was ridiculous. It's like saying you should be able to do math like Einstein b/c you took math also, or you should play soccer like Rinaldo b/c you understand soccer too!

One "human beings" comprehension skills are not the same as the others

There's tons of cases where players struggle cuz of language, many NA playing overseas

Pulling out a Malkin did it so JP can also is pretty narrow minded thinking, especially when there is testimony by 2 people who worked with him saying it was a problem

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Except your post was ridiculous. It's like saying you should be able to do math like Einstein b/c you took math also, or you should play soccer like Rinaldo b/c you understand soccer too!

One "human beings" comprehension skills are not the same as the others

There's tons of cases where players struggle cuz of language, many NA playing overseas

Pulling out a Malkin did it so JP can also is pretty narrow minded thinking, especially when there is testimony by 2 people who worked with him saying it was a problem

Puljujarvi sucks cause he’s not good at hockey, not cause he doesn’t know English.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Puljujarvi sucks cause he’s not good at hockey, not cause he doesn’t know English.

That's your opinion. Like I said, 2 ppl who worked w/ the player stated otherwise.

And he doesn't suck at hockey. He sucks at listening to NA coaches

 

[nexttothemoon]

JP is and was overrated and was drafted too high... BUT if he pulls his head out... he could still be a useful NHL player IF he puts his head down and works on becoming a good 2-way bottom 6 forward... which is what his true upside always was which is still a valuable asset for a team as well (just not something you should use a #4 pick on obviously... but that mistake was made so you have to move on from that).

Shoving the square peg in a round hole is the issue here... in this case, the team initially seeing him as a top 6 player and JP seeing a distorted view of himself as ONLY a top line/top 6 player is the problem.

JP needs to come down to Earth and realize he isn't all that... and that's fine if he could realize that... as plenty of players aren't top 6/top line players and they can still have solid NHL careers and who knows... those types of players sometimes develop and improve and one day can evolve to step up into top 6 roles as well.

Guys like Kassian and Chiasson have that potential and possibility to be bottom/top 6 tweeners who can play up and down the lineup... and Puljujarvi could be that as well if he learns to work his ass off at both ends and crash and bang a little with his big body and drive to the net.

He certainly has some physical tools but obviously the toolbox needs a lot of tweaking... but the #1 issue is that he hasn't yet come to the point of realization that it's not all going to be handed to him on a silver platter as he's NOT a top 6 talent and he's not just going to be fed cushy top minutes because he can't make good use of those minutes when he gets them.

He has to reach that point of realization that players like Cogliano had when they look at reality... make a change in their expectations... put their heads down and listen to their coaches (WHO WANT THEM TO SUCCEED... because why the hell would you want the player to fail and have yet another bust?)

The team made the mistake of putting too high a level of expectation on him when his talent and skill clearly couldn't match those expectations and JP needs to also realize he doesn't merit those top minutes either at the NHL level... so the only alternative if he wants an NHL career is to bust your ass in a bottom 6 role and play solid 2 way hard-nosed driving hockey... if he can't do that then he's going to bust out of the NHL and be a never has been in the European Leagues like so many that have gone before him.

 

[scholl]

Esa Tikkanen is another example.

Tikkanen is actually not so bad. For example when Rangers had their 1994 team's 25 years anniversary, Esa was interviewed on tv and he didn't speak so badly English. He has his own way of speaking called Tiki-Talk but the way he speaks is exactly the same in Finnish. People don't always get what he says because he uses his own words but they like him. Hence, he has been able to work as tv commentator. When it comes to Esa he was the funny guy from day 1 and did those pranks but at the same time delivered on the ice. There aren't so many players who come straight to the Stanley Cup finals from Europe and do well.

About Pulju. Because he is immature and doesn't have such a high hockey IQ it would have been very important for him to stay a little bit longer in Europe because a good coach can teach how to play the game. There are less games and more practising here compared to the NHL. With that time in hand you can develop your players. It's the same situation in football. Coaches like Pep Guardiola spend a lot of time when they show how a specific situation is played on the pitch. They show it as many time as is needed.

 

[Del Preston]

JP is and was overrated and was drafted too high... BUT if he pulls his head out... he could still be a useful NHL player IF he puts his head down and works on becoming a good 2-way bottom 6 forward... which is what his true upside always was which is still a valuable asset for a team as well (just not something you should use a #4 pick on obviously... but that mistake was made so you have to move on from that).

2016 NHL Draft Rankings

3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

...

 

[Fourier]

Except your post was ridiculous. It's like saying you should be able to do math like Einstein b/c you took math also, or you should play soccer like Rinaldo b/c you understand soccer too!

One "human beings" comprehension skills are not the same as the others

There's tons of cases where players struggle cuz of language, many NA playing overseas

Pulling out a Malkin did it so JP can also is pretty narrow minded thinking, especially when there is testimony by 2 people who worked with him saying it was a problem

There is one major problem with your analogy! Einstein was not a mathematician! Much of the key mathematics that is used to justify relativity is due to Minkowski with many others having a hand in this as well. As a mathematician, Einstein would be more like a 3rd/4th line plugger.

Sorry! Given your user name it was hard to resist.

 

[ijuka]

2016 NHL Draft Rankings

3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

...

I guess that's the point about him having been overrated. And it's true - it was quite apparent when watching him play with Aho that he just didn't think the game at the same level, and he wasn't a very coachable player. His international performances and physical tools unfortunately were valued way too highly. I feel like NHL GMs will have learned a little about the importance of hockey IQ and need for straight-forwardness. While he's a large player, he never had the physicality in his game to actually take advantage of it.

There is one major problem with your analogy! Einstein was not a mathematician! Much of the key mathematics that is used to justify relativity is due to Minkowski with many others having a hand in this as well. As a mathematician, Einstein would be more like a 3rd/4th line plugger.

Sorry! Given your user name it was hard to resist.

theoretical physics are mathematics. Einstein field equations - Wikipedia

 

[scholl]

While he's a large player, he never had the physicality in his game to actually take advantage of it.

he used to be a bandy player before becoming an icehockey player. So he had learned his skills when he played on a 100x60 meters icefield. There you don't use your size.

 

[HenrikW]

I am so tired of the false narrative surrounding Jesse Puljujärvi that fans with a blatant lack of insight loves to buy into. The main one being his "supposed" lack of hockey IQ, and that it was apparent early on, and that scouts got it wrong.

These fallacies comes up all the time and prevents us from having a real discussion on real issues concerning JP. Lets look back at his draft year and see what scouts had to say:

He is tremendous at sniffing out opportunities before they happen.

His playmaking abilities and great hands stood out as his main skills. He has excellent vision, and he uses it to find his teammates, which he can do with little to no space.

His awareness and hockey IQ really stand out as major strengths.

His vision is near the top of this class and he is able to lay out situational passes of each unique scenario.

Puljujarvi oozes high-end skill and awareness, showing an ability to remain elusive.

Reads the play well and plays well away from the puck. Has excellent hockey sense.

A truly dominant two-way force that consistently demonstrates elite hockey sense, proactive defensive awareness, and a full array of offensive tools.

These are words of professional scouts, people that on a professional level has worked for years and years assessing talent. Let me just say this, there are very few fans that can truly say they know better and be right. To say that Puljujärvi lacked hockey IQ when he was drafted, and that (for example) it was apparent when he played with Aho that he was a step behind is plainly wrong.

Quite frankly I think it would be becoming if those of you that has been pushing this idea apologize for talking out of your ass.

There is a CLEAR disconnect. There are various rumours and rapports concerning the reason for Jesse Puljujärvi's lack of progression. Lets discuss those, and drop the idea that Jesse Puljujärvi didn't/doesn't have enough "hockey iq" to make it on a professional level.

 

[nexttothemoon]

2016 NHL Draft Rankings

3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3

...

Too high, too high, too high, too high, too high, too high, too high, better than Laine? nope... that's crazy talk, too high, too high, too high, too high, too high, too high.


Scouts (even multiple scouts) get player projections wrong all the time... that's why you have surprises in the late 1st and on into the 2nd and 3rd rounds and early 1st round busts... every... single... year.

It's tough to project 17 year olds and JP was a "victim" of being drafted too high because they saw his physical stature as being easily translatable to carrying that play over to a top line/top 6 role in the NHL.

Apparently not.

 

[Saltcreek]

Language barrier doesn’t mean anything or his problem.

Language barrier never stopped Malkin from being a good player, and he still barely knows English

I am pretty sure there is a comment from JP stating that he did not understand what to do in practice and he would have to go last so he could mimic other players. Language problems are entirely his after the first year.

 

[HenrikW]

Secondly I would like to comment on the idea that it would have been better to let Puljujärvi mature in Finland for a season or two;

If you have seen any interview at all from the latter part of the draft year, the combine and at the draft, these is one thing Jesse Puljujärvi reiterates more than anything else.

"I am ready for NHL."
"NHL is my league."

Yes, maybe it would have been best of if had to learn that he's not entitled to an NHL spot, but I can't really fault Oilers for giving him an extended look for 28 games in his rookie year. He was so highly touted, pretty much every scout deemed him NHL ready, and not only because of his size. And he had already decided for himself, that he was going to play in NHL.

Oilers responsabilities in his lack of development really doesn't start until his 2nd year as a professional. There are plenty of errors. For early call-ups, for a lack of ice-time to name a few. While we should not forget that Jesse did play well enough in the preseasons to change the plans for him to start in Bakersfield, there should have been a much more proactive response as soon as Oilers saw that he was struggling.

I still can't shake his entitled narrative that he belongs in NHL, that he has continued to use even after having lack luster seasons in EDM / AHL. This has concerned me for years. He lacks humility. That coupled with the fact that the language barrier kept him from excelling at practice. For reference (an earlier post of mine):

Looking back at the Combine, Puljujarvi barely know a lick of English at this draft interview. He was hired a tutor. Later, he admits in a finnish interview that he has problem understanding the coach, that it is awkward because he always has to go last so he can immitate what other people do. One year ago he basically said ”no time for english only hockey” when asked about his progress. Im sure 3 years in american dressing rooms without being able to properly bond with your teammates is bad for someones confidence

Just got to think that he doesn't really have a viable perception of where he is at as a player. To me, it seems like it's fairly hard to coach him.