Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[BudBundy]

Yeh sometimes a team and its players just don't play well with dumbasses.

Cyah later Jessie. Hope you go to Europe and stay there until we lose your rights. Don't even want a trade to happen. Would rather see his career waste away into obscurity playing for a team where the undrafted and never-was's of the hockey world play. It's where Jesse belongs really.

You “Would rather see his career waste away” than trade him?? What kind of vindictive child are you?

I’m disgusted by Jesse’s behaviour, especially after all the time I wasted defending him while he was still worthy of it, but I certainly dont wish this kind of life for him. As an Oil fan you should be hoping he stays in Europe, lights it up like crazy, and we get a good young player/prospect for him instead of a half-eaten sandwich and a bag of pucks.

 

[Cloned]

Bad owner.

Full stop.

It starts and ends there.

Meh, Carolina has a questionable owner and they've had more success than the Oilers have had over the last 10 years.

Arizona doesn't even have a real owner and they've had more success as well.

 

[belair]

I still maintain that, all things considered, Pulju might be the more disappointing lottery pick out of the two of them.

Also, if anyone ever asks 30 years from now why the Oilers rebuild between 2009-2019 failed, the simple answer is that they got a total of 148 points out of a #1 overall pick and a #4 overall pick, and then traded away an actual good #1 pick for a #4 defenseman.

When anyone mentions this, it still amazes me when the immediate answer isn't that the Oilers failed to develop any NHL talent whatsoever outside of the first round.

Their rebuild failed because their teams consistently lacked sufficient depth in all areas. They repeatedly plugged holes with expensive FAs, many of which weren't properly suited for the roles.

Up until recently the Edmonton Oilers had been the worst drafting and developing team in the NHL hands down.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Meh, Carolina has a questionable owner and they've had more success than the Oilers have had over the last 10 years.

Arizona doesn't even have a real owner and they've had more success as well.

No relationship is better than a bad relationship.

Fact of the matter is we have a bad owner who makes decisions that are bad for the hockey team’s on ice success. They may be good for his pocket book, but you can’t argue with the results. You are, in fact, affirming the fact we have a poor owner by pointing out how other teams with questionable ownership have been better than the Oilers.

During Katz’ “Reign of Error” no team has been worse.

 

[I am the Liquor]

When anyone mentions this, it still amazes me when the immediate answer isn't that the Oilers failed to develop any NHL talent whatsoever outside of the first round.

Their rebuild failed because their teams consistently lacked sufficient depth in all areas. They repeatedly plugged holes with expensive FAs, many of which weren't properly suited for the roles.

Up until recently the Edmonton Oilers had been the worst drafting and developing team in the NHL hands down.

What’s changed recently? Are we giving them credit for McDavid?

 

[Dan Kelly]

I still maintain that, all things considered, Pulju might be the more disappointing lottery pick out of the two of them.

Also, if anyone ever asks 30 years from now why the Oilers rebuild between 2009-2019 failed, the simple answer is that they got a total of 148 points out of a #1 overall pick and a #4 overall pick, and then traded away an actual good #1 pick for a #4 defenseman.

Yup, the thing that is glossed over when non fans whine about the Oilers having “all these 1st overall and high picks and still not being able to win” is the fact that after a pretty good rookie year, Yakupov wasn’t very good and that really stung the Oilers! And now he’s not even in the NHL anymore!

Add in the fact that RNH is a solid but not an impact player, and that Jesse hasn’t been anywhere close to being what he was judged to be in his draft year and you can see why the Oilers haven’t been able to figure out how to win! Add in a few crappie trades of major talents and it’s a recipe for disaster!

 

[Kcoyote3]

Hey Sharks fan here. So Sharks have probably bottom 5 RWer depth right now. I’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with Poolparty, but what does he do well / what kind of system would you guys think he would succeed in?

Also any update on his rehab since the surgery?

Thanks guys! Come in peace I swear

 

[belair]

What’s changed recently? Are we giving them credit for McDavid?

We have the deepest pool of defensive prospects the franchise has likely ever seen. When we look down at Bakersfield, there's a steady stream of incoming talent at nearly every position. And the team is being lead offensively by our prospects, not mid-20 AHL lifers.

 

[BudBundy]

Hey Sharks fan here. So Sharks have probably bottom 5 RWer depth right now. I’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with Poolparty, but what does he do well / what kind of system would you guys think he would succeed in?

Also any update on his rehab since the surgery?

Thanks guys! Come in peace I swear

Well, others can chime in but here is my take:

Pros-
-huge
-straight line speed is excellent
-decent NHL puck skills (passing/stickhandling/shooting), at least flashes of it.
-decent defensive awareness.
- is apparently a gym rat, and is built like a brick outhouse
-rehab is supposedly going well and the surgery was never considered worrisome. The pain relief should be good.
Cons-
- he’s either stubborn or stupid, possibly both, in terms of where to go on the ice. He will probably work best in a system where he just plays a simple north/south game and doesnt have to think a whole bunch
- word is that other players on the team find him difficult to play with on the ice and quietly ask for him to be assigned to someone else’s line
-surprisingly weak in puck battles for his size. We dont know if the issue is lack of balance, poor technique, or his hips.
- he and his agent act like entitled jackasses
-we dont know what kind of shot he has since he doesnt get many off at the net. He did score once on an absolute howitzer one timer but tragically small sample size.

In summary, he has world class tools but it remains to be seen what he will accomplish with them. Best case scenario is a top line world class 6’4” winger. Rick Nash type. Worse case scenario is he just cant process the game and he washes out completely like Michael Del Colle. I personally think he’ll wind up like a Benoit Pouliot guy who plays third line, penalty kills pretty well, forechecks extremely effectively, but ultimately doesnt produce enough for your top 6 and frustrates fans.

 

[Spawn]

Hey Sharks fan here. So Sharks have probably bottom 5 RWer depth right now. I’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with Poolparty, but what does he do well / what kind of system would you guys think he would succeed in?

Also any update on his rehab since the surgery?

Thanks guys! Come in peace I swear

What does he do well?

Nothing

What kind of system would he succeed in?

One that doesn't have him playing against NHLers

 

[fireantz]

Well, others can chime in but here is my take:

Pros-
-huge
-straight line speed is excellent
-decent NHL puck skills (passing/stickhandling/shooting), at least flashes of it.
-decent defensive awareness.
- is apparently a gym rat, and is built like a brick outhouse
Cons-
- he’s either stubborn or stupid, possibly both, in terms of where to go on the ice
- word is that other players on the team find him difficult to play with on the ice and quietly ask for him to be assigned to someone else’s line
-surprisingly weak in puck battles for his size. We dont know if the issue is lack of balance, poor technique, or his hips.
- he and his agent act like entitled jackasses
-we dont know what kind of shot he has since he doesnt get many off at the net. He did score once on an absolute howitzer one timer but tragically small sample size.

In summary, he has world class tools but it remains to be seen what he will accomplish with them. Best case scenario is a top line world class 6’4” winger. Rick Nash type. Worse case scenario is he just cant process the game and he washes out completely like Michael Del Colle. I personally think he’ll wind up like a Benoit Pouliot guy who plays third line, penalty kills pretty well, forechecks extremely effectively, but ultimately doesnt produce enough for your top 6 and frustrates fans.

Problem is he thinks he’s a top gun not 3rd line two way guy. If he doesn’t get it his career ends in KHL

 

[BudBundy]

Problem is he thinks he’s a top gun not 3rd line two way guy. If he doesn’t get it his career ends in KHL

Most men grow up and take what career they can have. I wouldn’t expect Jesse to be any different, it’s just a matter of how many 2nd opinions it takes to get through his skull.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If only Jesse offered as much effort as the several 1k posting threads that have talked about him. Theres been 3 so far this summer by my count and as per thread title. I'm betting this thread also reaches 1k posts before the season starts.

 

[BudBundy]

If only Jesse offered as much effort as the several 1k posting threads that have talked about him. Theres been 3 so far this summer by my count and as per thread title. I'm betting this thread also reaches 1k posts before the season starts.

It’s mid-August. Talking about JP is more fun than wondering if Persson is going to beat out Russell and Benning for second pair RHD.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Well, others can chime in but here is my take:

Pros-
-huge
-straight line speed is excellent
-decent NHL puck skills (passing/stickhandling/shooting), at least flashes of it.
-decent defensive awareness.
- is apparently a gym rat, and is built like a brick outhouse
-rehab is supposedly going well and the surgery was never considered worrisome. The pain relief should be good.
Cons-
- he’s either stubborn or stupid, possibly both, in terms of where to go on the ice. He will probably work best in a system where he just plays a simple north/south game and doesnt have to think a whole bunch
- word is that other players on the team find him difficult to play with on the ice and quietly ask for him to be assigned to someone else’s line
-surprisingly weak in puck battles for his size. We dont know if the issue is lack of balance, poor technique, or his hips.
- he and his agent act like entitled jackasses
-we dont know what kind of shot he has since he doesnt get many off at the net. He did score once on an absolute howitzer one timer but tragically small sample size.

In summary, he has world class tools but it remains to be seen what he will accomplish with them. Best case scenario is a top line world class 6’4” winger. Rick Nash type. Worse case scenario is he just cant process the game and he washes out completely like Michael Del Colle. I personally think he’ll wind up like a Benoit Pouliot guy who plays third line, penalty kills pretty well, forechecks extremely effectively, but ultimately doesnt produce enough for your top 6 and frustrates fans.

Nice post, but I don't see Pulju as that good of a forechecker either. He's far south of even a Kassian in that regard, and thus why Zach works better on the topline. Pulju doesn't read the play well enough to be a good pressuring winger, and his defensive play has fallen off as well.

Disagree as well at this point that the ceiling is Rick Nash. I think we're far south of that level of expectation now.

As far as puck battles everything is wrong in his set and positioning. On big ice its less of a facet of the game, and he seems to have trouble learning anything new. Didn't they tell him to shorten his stick so that he'd be playing more in a crouch? His Center of gravity is typically high and thus he has more trouble in puck scrums than he should at his size. Leon and Jesse are almost the same body type and yet what a difference in ability to gain and protect the puck. With Jesse its non existent.

 

[BudBundy]

Nice post, but I don't see Pulju as that good of a forechecker either. He's far south of even a Kassian in that regard, and thus why Zach works better on the topline. Pulju doesn't read the play well enough to be a good pressuring winger, and his defensive play has fallen off as well.

Disagree as well at this point that the ceiling is Rick Nash. I think we're far south of that level of expectation now.

As far as puck battles everything is wrong in his set and positioning. On big ice its less of a facet of the game, and he seems to have trouble learning anything new. Didn't they tell him to shorten his stick so that he'd be playing more in a crouch? His Center of gravity is typically high and thus he has more trouble in puck scrums than he should at his size. Leon and Jesse are almost the same body type and yet what a difference in ability to gain and protect the puck. With Jesse its non existent.

No major arguments. We both see Jesse for what he is, I think.

Just to clarify a few things:

In terms of forechecking ability, I didnt list that as a current strength, since I agree he isn’t very good at it currently. I do think a guy that big and that fast could eventually be an extremely effective forechecker, so I listed that in his “Pouliot projection.”

I used Rick Nash as his outer marker as I do still think he could be that 33 goal/ 70 point per year winger. No, I dont think he’ll get there as I said, but I dont agree that the book is closed on the possibility.

Good work defining his weakness in puck battles. You defined it far better than I did.

 

[Aerchon]

No major arguments. We both see Jesse for what he is, I think.

Just to clarify a few things:

In terms of forechecking ability, I didnt list that as a current strength, since I agree he isn’t very good at it currently. I do think a guy that big and that fast could eventually be an extremely effective forechecker, so I listed that in his “Pouliot projection.”

I used Rick Nash as his outer marker as I do still think he could be that 33 goal/ 70 point per year winger. No, I dont think he’ll get there as I said, but I dont agree that the book is closed on the possibility.

Good work defining his weakness in puck battles. You defined it far better than I did.

I feel I am "forced" to "defend" Puljujarvi when all I want is the kid gone from the team. Barring something strange.

However, in his defense. People are forgetting the kid had double hip surgery.

If you only look at the second half of last year to evaluate Puljujarvi the guy sucks no question about it.

But his play was continually degrading last year and that correlates directly with nagging hip injuries.

Forechecking especially.

I look at his play outside the second half of last year and I see a player that was adjusting to nhl play and still has a very promising future... in Europe... is my hope barring a great return.

The timing of his public trade request with his injuries is asanine to the Oilers organization. His value can't be any lower, while objectively I certainly believe he could still be a 60+ point winger in the nhl someday.

 

[Soundwave]

2010-2015 rebuild was basically sewered by Yakupov and RNH not being top end talents. In Yakupov's case a full on bust. Paajarvi not being great as a no.10 overall doesn't help either. If RNH is Tavares and Yakupov is Seth Jones, then you're probably talking a very different series of events.

2015-2019 rebuild was basically sewered by Chiarelli.

Not that much more to it than that.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Meh, Carolina has a questionable owner and they've had more success than the Oilers have had over the last 10 years.

Arizona doesn't even have a real owner and they've had more success as well.

They made the playoffs once in the last 10 years just like the Oilers I wouldn't say they have had more success other than lasting 1 extra round in the playoffs in that time but I wouldn't be looking at Carolina as a model franchise for the past 10 years.

 

[frag2]

I feel I am "forced" to "defend" Puljujarvi when all I want is the kid gone from the team. Barring something strange.

However, in his defense. People are forgetting the kid had double hip surgery.

If you only look at the second half of last year to evaluate Puljujarvi the guy sucks no question about it.

But his play was continually degrading last year and that correlates directly with nagging hip injuries.

Forechecking especially.

I look at his play outside the second half of last year and I see a player that was adjusting to nhl play and still has a very promising future... in Europe... is my hope barring a great return.

The timing of his public trade request with his injuries is asanine to the Oilers organization. His value can't be any lower, while objectively I certainly believe he could still be a 60+ point winger in the nhl someday.

3 years in and the guy still hasn't 'adjusted' to know where to be on the ice...to the point his teammates have vocalized they dont want to line up with the guy.

I dont think the hip surgery is gonna miraculously fix his brain. Guy is just not bright.

Side note:


Would not surprise me if Aho is pressuring him to pull this stunt too since they are buddies on and off the ice IIRC.

 

[Soundwave]

Playing for Karpat honestly should be fine by the Oilers. He should be able to have a decent season there, if not there then he simply doesn't have it. Let him play and develop there for a year. If he has a good season there we will be able to get more for him in a year.

 

[frag2]

Playing for Karpat honestly should be fine by the Oilers. He should be able to have a decent season there, if not there then he simply doesn't have it. Let him play and develop there for a year. If he has a good season there we will be able to get more for him in a year.

Whatever ups his value at this point.

 

[TheNumber4]

You “Would rather see his career waste away” than trade him?? What kind of vindictive child are you?

I’m disgusted by Jesse’s behaviour, especially after all the time I wasted defending him while he was still worthy of it, but I certainly dont wish this kind of life for him. As an Oil fan you should be hoping he stays in Europe, lights it up like crazy, and we get a good young player/prospect for him instead of a half-eaten sandwich and a bag of pucks.

Nah. I’d rather the organization set the precedent that if drafted by us, you either play ball, or don’t play. The opposite would be setting this organization up for more decades of darkness. Imagine if we had traded Jesse at the drop of a hat, the next draft pick would have it in his mind that that is an option and would be game as soon as drafted or as soon as things didn’t go his way.

 

[BudBundy]

Nah. I’d rather the organization set the precedent that if drafted by us, you either play ball, or don’t play. The opposite would be setting this organization up for more decades of darkness. Imagine if we had traded Jesse at the drop of a hat, the next draft pick would have it in his mind that that is an option and would be game as soon as drafted or as soon as things didn’t go his way.

I absolutely dont want a panic trade and I love Holland biding his time until Jesse can raise his value, but to never trade him if he wont play for the Oilers is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[cpsman]

I absolutely dont want a panic trade and I love Holland biding his time until Jesse can raise his value, but to never trade him if he wont play for the Oilers is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'd rather not trade him for a late round pick

a) a late round pick is useless, particularly for the oilers who can't draft well in later rounds (or early rounds for that matter...see: J. Puljujarvi, N. Yakupov...)
b) trading him to another team even at this value still gives them a chance of turning him around and having it bite the oilers in the rear. If he's going to turn it around he will have to do it as an Oiler.