Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I absolutely dont want a panic trade and I love Holland biding his time until Jesse can raise his value, but to never trade him if he wont play for the Oilers is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Sends a message IMO

 

[48g90a138pts]

3 years in and the guy still hasn't 'adjusted' to know where to be on the ice...to the point his teammates have vocalized they dont want to line up with the guy.

I dont think the hip surgery is gonna miraculously fix his brain. Guy is just not bright.

Side note:


Would not surprise me if Aho is pressuring him to pull this stunt too since they are buddies on and off the ice IIRC.

Well well, I was speculating a week ago that Sebastian Aho might have been getting in Jesse's head. Maybe I was actually right... now that's strange!

I didn't know the Hurricanes were interested in Puljujärvi. The price for Jesse to Carolina just doubled in my imaginary world. I would be livid if I was in Holland's position.

Shortly after Jesse's agent backtracked and said he would come back, Jesse wen't and did that interview saying he's not coming back here. This was all said after Jesse and Aho were hanging out at that festival and played in that charity game.

F****** Aho

 

[TheNumber4]

I absolutely dont want a panic trade and I love Holland biding his time until Jesse can raise his value, but to never trade him if he wont play for the Oilers is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

A team is not going to give us anything worthwhile for Jesse. His value isn't there. And as such, here's our options:
1. Trade him for a shitty pick, showing the entire hockey world, and any would-be draftees that if you don't like Edmonton picking you it's easy to get out of it and waste their valuable drafting resources.
2. Never trade him. And set the precedent that you either play with the Oilers, the team that invested in you and gave you the opportunity to be an NHLer or you don't play at all.

Easy choice for me.

Also, would not surprise me if Jesse and his agent discussed the Yakupov situation and used that as a blueprint in hopes of getting the same result. So it's already hurting us, with Jesse and his agent embarrassing the organization (and themselves) by trying to make a power move out of here. Nope, no more of this sh*t in Oil Country. If we spent the draft pick, we choose what happens with you. Period.

 

[guymez]

A team is not going to give us anything worthwhile for Jesse. His value isn't there. And as such, here's our options:
1. Trade him for a ****ty pick, showing the entire hockey world, and any would-be draftees that if you don't like Edmonton picking you it's easy to get out of it and waste their valuable drafting resources.
2. Never trade him. And set the precedent that you either play with the Oilers, the team that invested in you and gave you the opportunity to be an NHLer or you don't play at all.

Easy choice for me.

There is a 3rd option too. Trade him for another project.
Thats how I see this playing out.

 

[TheNumber4]

There is a 3rd option too. Trade him for another project.
Thats how I see this playing out.

There's not going to be another project out there with 4th overall pick type potential. So it'll be a sh*tty return, and thus Jesse can sit for all I care.

 

[guymez]

There's not going to be another project out there with 4th overall pick type potential. So it'll be a sh*tty return, and thus Jesse can sit for all I care.

Jesse may also be a part of a package. There are a few potential permutations.
We shall see how it plays out. Hopefully before the season starts.

 

[TheNumber4]

Jesse may also be a part of a package. There are a few potential permutations.
We shall see how it plays out. Hopefully before the season starts.

Well if the return is good then it's all good. I'm just sayin I don't think the return will be good nor what is being offered. Thus, he should sit.

 

[frag2]

Well well, I was speculating a week ago that Sebastian Aho might have been getting in Jesse's head. Maybe I was actually right... now that's strange!

I didn't know the Hurricanes were interested in Puljujärvi. The price for Jesse to Carolina just doubled in my imaginary world. I would be livid if I was in Holland's position.

Shortly after Jesse's agent backtracked and said he would come back, Jesse wen't and did that interview saying he's not coming back here. This was all said after Jesse and Aho were hanging out at that festival and played in that charity game.

F****** Aho

The whole high-stakes Jesse Puljujarvi "trade me" gamble is dealt one final bluff: 9 Things

 

[guymez]

Well well, I was speculating a week ago that Sebastian Aho might have been getting in Jesse's head. Maybe I was actually right... now that's strange!

I didn't know the Hurricanes were interested in Puljujärvi. The price for Jesse to Carolina just doubled in my imaginary world. I would be livid if I was in Holland's position.

Shortly after Jesse's agent backtracked and said he would come back, Jesse wen't and did that interview saying he's not coming back here. This was all said after Jesse and Aho were hanging out at that festival and played in that charity game.

F****** Aho

What I find interesting about this is that its similar to the thing thats going on in the NBA right now except in that League its happening with Superstars. Player A talks to player B and gets him to demand a trade so they can potentially be teammates. Its pure BS IMO.
The only difference here is that the Oilers dont have a signed contract with Jesse but they have his rights.

 

[nexttothemoon]

JP was never worth a #4 pick so the Oilers obviously can't expect that type of prospect in return.

Just get "something" for him and move on I think is a decent strategy at this point... especially when Holland has no real personal connection to this player... so he may possibly see this as a blundered draft pick by the Oilers former management regime that brought an entitled and underskilled prospect into the org who now is more of a distraction than an asset. He may indeed see removing that distraction quickly as more important than trying to squeeze an extra 5 cents on the dollar when the return will likely be 20 cents on the dollar in total anyway.

Having him play in Europe for 1-2 years to up his value is another option... but then again.. how much will his value go up if he plays in a lesser league where the game is quite different from the NHL level. Even if JP does well over there... the fact he has underperformed in the NHL is still going to raise questions about whether or not JP has it in him to succeed at the NHL level because performance in Europe doesn't always translate to performance in the NHL... case in point... Jesse Puljujarvi.

Probably the only clear positive would be that JP shows he's healthy again after his surgery and the effects of the hip surgeries are behind him... and that might raise his value slightly because that's one question mark that would be cleared up at least.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

JP was never worth a #4 pick so the Oilers obviously can't expect that type of prospect in return.

Just get "something" for him and move on I think is a decent strategy at this point... especially when Holland has no real personal connection to this player... so he may possibly see this as a blundered draft pick by the Oilers former management regime that brought an entitled and underskilled prospect into the org who now is more of a distraction than an asset. He may indeed see removing that distraction quickly as more important than trying to squeeze an extra 5 cents on the dollar when the return will likely be 20 cents on the dollar in total anyway.

Having him play in Europe for 1-2 years to up his value is another option... but then again.. how much will his value go up if he plays in a lesser league where the game is quite different from the NHL level. Even if JP does well over there... the fact he has underperformed in the NHL is still going to raise questions about whether or not JP has it in him to succeed at the NHL level because performance in Europe doesn't always translate to performance in the NHL... case in point... Jesse Puljujarvi.

Probably the only clear positive would be that JP shows he's healthy again after his surgery and the effects of the hip surgeries are behind him... and that might raise his value slightly because that's one question mark that would be cleared up at least.

JP was worth the 4th pick when he was drafted.

Every team in the NHL had him in their top 4.

Oilers just screwed up his development.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

JP was worth the 4th pick when he was drafted.

Every team in the NHL had him in their top 4.

Oilers just screwed up his development.

His lack of development is on him just as much as it is on the Oilers. Probably more so.

You have no idea that he wouldn’t have been a bust if he developed on a different team. Would he just suddenly be willing to actually listen and change/improve his game on a different team?

 

[Drivesaitl]

His lack of development is on him just as much as it is on the Oilers. Probably more so.

You have no idea that he wouldn’t have been a bust if he developed on a different team. Would he just suddenly be willing to actually listen and change/improve his game on a different team?

Yeah, if only Drai, McD, Nuge, Nurse, Klef, Chiasson, Kassian etc were on different teams, they might actually reach their potential...

(stuffing sarcasm back in the box)

The notion that the Oilers screwed up Pulju development is just incredible at this point. Can anybody be seriously expressing that viewpoint now? Its hard to fathom. The only thing one wonders at this point is if Nabob and 91 are joint accounts.

Is it the Oilers fault as well that Pulju is spending all summer deep-sixing whats left of his NHL career possibility.

Heres a newsflash. Show a team that's weak on wingers something and you'll be in the lineup and getting minutes. Even a Chiasson, Maroon, or Kassian have parlayed this to big career changing results. Its very doable, for any player capable of making adjustments and doing what is needed.

 

[duul]

What do we add to Pulju to get Risto? Both players want out of their teams. Both flawed, albeit Risto is a far superior player. Does he cost a 1st?

 

[scholl]

His lack of development is on him just as much as it is on the Oilers. Probably more so.

You have no idea that he wouldn’t have been a bust if he developed on a different team. Would he just suddenly be willing to actually listen and change/improve his game on a different team?

Better for him would have been a badly performing team like Arizona or Buffalo with less pressure and media attention. In addition to that he should have stayed one more year in Finland to learn more about hockey. Of course he hasn't learned the language and/or listened what coaches have told him but he also hasn't received the iceteam which is needed in development of a 4th overall pick to become a really good player at the NHL level.

 

[BudBundy]

A team is not going to give us anything worthwhile for Jesse. His value isn't there. And as such, here's our options:
1. Trade him for a ****ty pick, showing the entire hockey world, and any would-be draftees that if you don't like Edmonton picking you it's easy to get out of it and waste their valuable drafting resources.
2. Never trade him. And set the precedent that you either play with the Oilers, the team that invested in you and gave you the opportunity to be an NHLer or you don't play at all.

Easy choice for me.

Also, would not surprise me if Jesse and his agent discussed the Yakupov situation and used that as a blueprint in hopes of getting the same result. So it's already hurting us, with Jesse and his agent embarrassing the organization (and themselves) by trying to make a power move out of here. Nope, no more of this sh*t in Oil Country. If we spent the draft pick, we choose what happens with you. Period.

Thats just laughable. The 3rd option is the one Holland is using. The same one Yzerman used with Drouin. Be patient. If JP wont come to camp, let him run roughshod over the Finnish Elite League, show the world his hips are ok, and get some value out of him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

JP was worth the 4th pick when he was drafted.

Every team in the NHL had him in their top 4.

Oilers just screwed up his development.

The Oilers screwed up another player's development? Unfathomable!

From the get go the Oilers never did their homework when this kid fell into their laps. They instantly pegged him as the Kurri to McDavid's Gretzky. McLellan and the org jerked him around, as did Hitch. They were never patient with this kid. They slotted him in right away and it took half a season to finally send him down.

That's not to say JP doesn't have his own set of issues, but this kind of thing is nothing new for the Oilers. It's no secret that the last high end forward that wasn't drafted #1 overall they were patient with (Eberle) ended up developing properly. The Oilers don't know who or what JP is and at this point I don't think JP himself knows what the Oilers want him to be.

 

[McBooya42]

Better for him would have been a badly performing team like Arizona or Buffalo with less pressure and media attention. In addition to that he should have stayed one more year in Finland to learn more about hockey. Of course he hasn't learned the language and/or listened what coaches have told him but he also hasn't received the iceteam which is needed in development of a 4th overall pick to become a really good player at the NHL level.

He didn't get the ice time BECAUSE he didnt learn the language and listen to what the coaches told him...that's how getting ice time works. You listen to the coaches, and work hard on what is asked of you. You succeed and get more ice time. You don't get to not listen, fail and still be given ice time....its not freaking handed to you unless you earn it. It's not rocket science to anyone except Jesse and a few other posters.

 

[FlameChampion]

Hey Sharks fan here. So Sharks have probably bottom 5 RWer depth right now. I’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with Poolparty, but what does he do well / what kind of system would you guys think he would succeed in?

Also any update on his rehab since the surgery?

Thanks guys! Come in peace I swear

Hes a very polarizing prospect for sure. Its really hard to know what he is.

Pros:
- huge
- reach
- think he has the ability to be a good skater
- was really impressed with defensive awareness when he first came into the league

Cons:
- stubborn
- really weak on his skates (was his hips the problem? will it actually improve?)
- hockey iq?
- doesnt seem to fit in (teammates dont seem to like to play with him)

I personally dont know what to think on the hockey iq front. When he came into the league in his first season, I thought he had really good defensive awareness. In his first season or two, I saw some really nice plays from him with McDavid. Some of these plays make you think his hockey iq isnt as bad as people claim. But at the same time, he really made some poor plays. I dont know what to think when it comes to his hockey iq tbh. He just seems to do worse, as time goes on. Looks good in preseason then fades. Looks good on AHL call up then fades.

I've seen people comparing JP to Yakupov on this board for a few years now, and its always bugged me. But I am sorta getting it now, maybe I was wrong. I dont think they are similar players but it does seem that one thing they really have in common is that they are both very stubborn, have an idea what kind of player they are, and no ability to adapt to anything else. Neither player seems like they ever fit in here, and I am not sure what the reason for that is. Yakupov I think for example, was just pretty religious, not into the whole party scene etc. I dont know about JP. Doesnt necessarily mean anything about the player themselves.

 

[frag2]

Better for him would have been a badly performing team like Arizona or Buffalo with less pressure and media attention. In addition to that he should have stayed one more year in Finland to learn more about hockey. Of course he hasn't learned the language and/or listened what coaches have told him but he also hasn't received the iceteam which is needed in development of a 4th overall pick to become a really good player at the NHL level.

???

It doesn't matter if it was here, Arizona or Buffalo, he just wasn't ready for a top 6 role. JP just doesn't want to force the issue with hard work and instead, wants to whine his way into the line up.

 

[frag2]

Hes a very polarizing prospect for sure. Its really hard to know what he is.

Pros:
- huge
- reach
- think he has the ability to be a good skater
- was really impressed with defensive awareness when he first came into the league

Cons:
- stubborn
- really weak on his skates (was his hips the problem? will it actually improve?)
- hockey iq?
- doesnt seem to fit in (teammates dont seem to like to play with him)

I personally dont know what to think on the hockey iq front. When he came into the league in his first season, I thought he had really good defensive awareness. In his first season or two, I saw some really nice plays from him with McDavid. Some of these plays make you think his hockey iq isnt as bad as people claim. But at the same time, he really made some poor plays. I dont know what to think when it comes to his hockey iq tbh. He just seems to do worse, as time goes on. Looks good in preseason then fades. Looks good on AHL call up then fades.

I've seen people comparing JP to Yakupov on this board for a few years now, and its always bugged me. But I am sorta getting it now, maybe I was wrong. I dont think they are similar players but it does seem that one thing they really have in common is that they are both very stubborn, have an idea what kind of player they are, and no ability to adapt to anything else. Neither player seems like they ever fit in here, and I am not sure what the reason for that is. Yakupov I think for example, was just pretty religious, not into the whole party scene etc. I dont know about JP. Doesnt necessarily mean anything about the player themselves.

That's the biggest problem IMO. Posters here assume TMac was forcing him to become a grinder and I, myself, was guilty of that as well at first. But in hindsight, all TMac was trying to do was to ensure he was still useful even in a sheltered role. It's like, if you aren't gonna score, then you better be doing something to help the team in a positive way. Most basic thing IMO is to hit the net which, by all accounts, JP never really wanted to do.

Difference between Yak and JP - the former didn't know what to do regardless of instruction; the latter just didn't want to do what was instructed.

 

[FlameChampion]

That's the biggest problem IMO. Posters here assume TMac was forcing him to become a grinder and I, myself, was guilty of that as well at first. But in hindsight, all TMac was trying to do was to ensure he was still useful even in a sheltered role. It's like, if you aren't gonna score, then you better be doing something to help the team in a positive way. Most basic thing IMO is to hit the net which, by all accounts, JP never really wanted to do.

Difference between Yak and JP - the former didn't know what to do regardless of instruction; the latter just didn't want to do what was instructed.

Yeah I am sure that Tmac was probably trying to find him a role even if it was in a sheltered role. There are rumours about McDavid/Draisaitl not wanting to play with JP, because they didnt know where JP was going to be on the ice because he wasnt doing what he was instructed to. On top of that I think Chiarelli/JP's agent was forcing Tmac to use JP, when Tmac probably didnt think he was ready for the NHL. All in all not a very good situation. And then on top of that Tmac really hasnt shown the ability to get much out of non-star players.

 

[frag2]

Yeah I am sure that Tmac was probably trying to find him a role even if it was in a sheltered role. There are rumours about McDavid/Draisaitl not wanting to play with JP, because they didnt know where JP was going to be on the ice because he wasnt doing what he was instructed to. On top of that I think Chiarelli/JP's agent was forcing Tmac to use JP, when Tmac probably didnt think he was ready for the NHL. All in all not a very good situation. And then on top of that Tmac really hasnt shown the ability to get much out of non-star players.

To think Chia wanted Bouchard up the entire time too until he got the message that TMac was gonna PB him till he got sent back to the CHL

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Hes a very polarizing prospect for sure. Its really hard to know what he is.

Pros:
- huge
- reach
- think he has the ability to be a good skater
- was really impressed with defensive awareness when he first came into the league

Cons:
- stubborn
- really weak on his skates (was his hips the problem? will it actually improve?)
- hockey iq?
- doesnt seem to fit in (teammates dont seem to like to play with him)

I personally dont know what to think on the hockey iq front. When he came into the league in his first season, I thought he had really good defensive awareness. In his first season or two, I saw some really nice plays from him with McDavid. Some of these plays make you think his hockey iq isnt as bad as people claim. But at the same time, he really made some poor plays. I dont know what to think when it comes to his hockey iq tbh. He just seems to do worse, as time goes on. Looks good in preseason then fades. Looks good on AHL call up then fades.

I've seen people comparing JP to Yakupov on this board for a few years now, and its always bugged me. But I am sorta getting it now, maybe I was wrong. I dont think they are similar players but it does seem that one thing they really have in common is that they are both very stubborn, have an idea what kind of player they are, and no ability to adapt to anything else. Neither player seems like they ever fit in here, and I am not sure what the reason for that is. Yakupov I think for example, was just pretty religious, not into the whole party scene etc. I dont know about JP. Doesnt necessarily mean anything about the player themselves.

I think the rumblings from last year - that none of the Oilers 'big 3' centres wanted to play with him - is based on the fact that he has absolutely no idea what to do or where to go in the offensive zone. It's the damnedest thing. He looks for all the world like a converted defenceman playing his first ever game on the wing.

And that's from guys like RNH who was stuck with Lucic for most of two years, and Drai/McDavid who had linemates like Rattie and Kassian.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

JP was worth the 4th pick when he was drafted.

Every team in the NHL had him in their top 4.

Oilers just screwed up his development.

Except for the team with the Finnish GM and Finnish Director of Scouting who interviewed Shit For Brains in Finnish.