Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI President Cam Speaks: Monty, Donny, & Charlie too!

Gee Wally · Thursday at 7:41 AM

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As this situation continues to drag on:

Please keep the conversation pertinent to the topic and avoid making it personal.

Debate about the management of the salary cap and the performance of the general manager fits into the context of the conversation, but we’ll avoid dividing fans into camps like “pro-player” and “team apologist”.

Thanks!

Continue if you must. No flaming!

ODAAT · 2024-09-30T12:03:18-0400

goldenblack said:
Guys we don't need to trade him. He has NO leverage.

He sits and sits and burns his career. He HAS to sign.

yep, trading him is like doing him a favor, the B`s own him no favors

SwayHeyKid · 2024-09-30T12:03:42-0400

So Bruins management makes their star goalie out to a greedy prick and don't expect the fans to turn on him? Weird tactic. Should try to deal him at this point.

goldenblack said:
Guys we don't need to trade him. He has NO leverage.

He sits and sits and burns his career. He HAS to sign.

Do you even want him here after Neely drove the zamboni over him?

ON3M4N · 2024-09-30T12:04:53-0400

MarchysNoseKnows said:
8x8 is a good enough deal that the Bruins don’t need to go up. No way they need to go to $8.8 just because Swayman is at an absurd $9.5M (in your scenario).

If it was good enough Swayman would have signed, no? The $9.5 million isn't my number, its based on the rumor that he wants the McAvoy deal. With the cap expected to have strong yearly raises now that escrow has been paid back, what's $400k to $800k more from where you want to be to get this over the finish line?

Scotto74 · 2024-09-30T12:04:55-0400

MarchysNoseKnows said:
There’s a difference between paying 8x$8M and paying four first round draft picks for the honor of paying 8x$8M.

right. i think paying 8x8 is overpayment I think 7x8 maybe 7.5x8. but any other GM is not going to pay 8x8 and draft picks. that would be totally insane.

I think at this point Sway sits and then regrets it. to young to sit out at this stage. does he think after sitting someone will pay him $9.5? If i am the Bruins and he sits I would say fine your sitting for the year we will use the cap space at the deadline. If we don't have $8 left for you next year maybe the offer is now $7 since you now haven't played in any NHL hockey in a full year.

I Hate Philadelphia · 2024-09-30T12:05:06-0400

Let's say he refuses to sign, and Bruins refuse to trade him.

Would he sit and rot for all of this AND next season then try to sign somewhere as a goalie who hasn't played in the NHL for >2 years?

goldenblack · 2024-09-30T12:05:19-0400

Trading Sway is literally the worst possible path. None of you should be GM's, lol.

His cap hit now is 0. He has no leverage. There is NO (trade) market for him at 9-10M.

Wait him out.

SwayHeyKid · 2024-09-30T12:06:35-0400

Hazelwig said:
Damn, I bet they're pissed they zoomed in an missed Don's reaction to that!

That was old school Neely anger lol

NeelyDan · 2024-09-30T12:07:55-0400

If he sits the year is he unrestricted next year?

Scotto74 · 2024-09-30T12:07:56-0400

SwayHeyKid said:
So Bruins management makes their star goalie out to a greedy prick and don't expect the fans to turn on him? Weird tactic. Should try to deal him at this point.

Do you even want him here after Neely drove the zamboni over him?

But is management making him out to be a greedy prick or is he actually being a greedy prick.?

If the really did offer him 8x8 at $64M then i feel its that he actually is being a greedy prick and they are just telling the fans the truth.

Alicat · 2024-09-30T12:08:01-0400

Dellstrom said:
Yup. I get going through arbitration and hearing unfiltered facts about yourself is rough but he played the sympathy card all last season with it. Fans defended him then, and all summer saying we need to pay him.

64 million is payment for him being flexible last year, and is extremely generous for someone with his track record. Wonder how he reacts to all of the “mean” comments again now that the fans are leaving his side. He’s getting bad advice.

Gotta ask the question, is it possible that Swayman has no clue that they offered him this?

ODAAT · 2024-09-30T12:08:12-0400

64 mill for a guy with 132 NHL games under his belt and never played more than what? 44/45 in a season not that it`s his fault he didn`t but..

Saros has played, if I heard correctly, 300-350 NHL games , played 67,64,64 in the last three seasons proving he can handle that load and signed for $61.92 mill and Sway or his agent wants more than him?

Get the f outta here

TD Charlie · 2024-09-30T12:08:21-0400

goldenblack said:
Trading Sway is literally the worst possible path. None of you should be GM's, lol.

His cap hit now is 0. He has no leverage. There is NO (trade) market for him at 9-10M.

Wait him out.

Now that they’ve made the 64 mil statement I actually think they’ll stay super firm at that number.

For Swayman to salvage this and remain on the team I’m wondering if he’s gotta fire Gross, sign the deal, then do the whole dog and pony show apology tour in the media

Pia8988 · 2024-09-30T12:08:40-0400

I think this will be the final straw. Jeremy won't be a Bruin. Sign him to 1 year and spend the entire year setting up an off season deal.

Gee Wally · 2024-09-30T12:09:10-0400

NeelyDan said:
If he sits the year is he unrestricted next year?

Nope. Not until he’s 27. Hes an rfa this year and next.

Scotto74 · 2024-09-30T12:09:36-0400

I Hate Philadelphia said:
Let's say he refuses to sign, and Bruins refuse to trade him.

Would he sit and rot for all of this AND next season then try to sign somewhere as a goalie who hasn't played in the NHL for >2 years?

Yup which is what you call. Not having any leverage.

Dicky113 · 2024-09-30T12:09:46-0400

I Hate Philadelphia said:
Gonna be really tough to get much for him. Goalies already don't carry much trade value, especially an unsigned one that refuses to sign an 8x8 deal because it's not enough for him.

Yes, that’s why I said “hopefully”

NeelyDan · 2024-09-30T12:09:57-0400

Gee Wally said:
Nope. Not until he’s 27. Hes an rfa this year and next.

Oh boy. Then yeah, he’s now in a real bad spot.

MarchysNoseKnows · 2024-09-30T12:10:12-0400

ON3M4N said:
If it was good enough Swayman would have signed, no? The $9.5 million isn't my number, its based on the rumor that he wants the McAvoy deal. With the cap expected to have strong yearly raises now that escort has been paid back, what's $400k to $800k more from where you want to be to get this over the finish line?

It’s 400k to 800k more than an extremely fair offer.

goldenblack · 2024-09-30T12:10:20-0400

NeelyDan said:
If he sits the year is he unrestricted next year?

No,

ON3M4N · 2024-09-30T12:10:28-0400

Alicat said:
I've never seen them do this before. It is 100% salvagable and it puts the Swayman camp on notice that they too, can go to the media if need be.

Swayman has been going to the media to air shit since arbitration didn't go his way. The last straw was Spittin Chicklets. Glad Cam said something, When you piss Cam off, you know you've stepped in it,

Sway needs to sign the deal and ditch the agent.

You mean when he's been asked by the media during interviews about it? Let's not act like Swayman has been seeking out the media to make comments. A good chunk of the comments came from when he went to the all-star game and was asked about going from arbitration to being named an all-star and how that made him feel.

Dicky113 · 2024-09-30T12:10:39-0400

Gee Wally said:
Nope. Not until he’s 27. Hes an rfa this year and next.

That’s interesting. So they could effectively torpedo his career here if he really pushes this nonsense.

goldenblack · 2024-09-30T12:10:50-0400

NeelyDan said:
Oh boy. Then yeah, he’s now in a real bad spot.

I've been saying this for 30 pages :laugh:

Dicky113 said:
That’s interesting. So they could effectively torpedo his career here if he really pushes this nonsense.

Dude he is literally torpedoing his OWN career. RFA holdouts are mental. His agent is absurd. They should have filed for arbitration over this. This was the WORST path when Neely and Sweenius are facing you down.

SwayHeyKid · 2024-09-30T12:11:56-0400

Scotto74 said:
But is management making him out to be a greedy prick or is he actually being a greedy prick.?

If the really did offer him 8x8 at $64M then i feel its that he actually is being a greedy prick and they are just telling the fans the truth.

You can't honestly think that Neely isn't a complete idiot for what he did can you?

They are saying we will sign him but he's a greedy prick. Guarantee you Sweeney is livid. You don't try to turn the fans against your 25 year future franchise goalie. He's a moron.

ON3M4N · 2024-09-30T12:12:58-0400

MarchysNoseKnows said:
It’s 400k to 800k more than an extremely fair offer.

From your point of view its an extremely fair offer. The problem is your point of view (like everyone elses point of view that isn't the Bruins or Swayman) doesn't mean jack.

UncleRico · 2024-09-30T12:13:00-0400

ON3M4N said:
If it was good enough Swayman would have signed, no? The $9.5 million isn't my number, its based on the rumor that he wants the McAvoy deal. With the cap expected to have strong yearly raises now that escort has been paid back, what's $400k to $800k more from where you want to be to get this over the finish line?

Do we even know if 8x8 was offered to swayman in order for him to have the chance to sign it?

Edit: just saw the update from Sweeney it’s been offered

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