Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI President Cam Speaks: Monty, Donny, & Charlie too!

[Gee Wally]

Mod edit: @smithformeragent

As this situation continues to drag on:

Please keep the conversation pertinent to the topic and avoid making it personal.

Debate about the management of the salary cap and the performance of the general manager fits into the context of the conversation, but we’ll avoid dividing fans into camps like “pro-player” and “team apologist”.

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[Mad-Marcus]

Did you miss his stats?


Did you miss the Askarov return?

You must have missed the games played stat, kind of critical for a lifetime achievement contract.

 

[Hookslide]

Sorry Sway, we can't extend you because we had to sign LOOOOOOOOCCHH and have Derek Forbort on our roster!!!

That is a bullshit argument, and did you say it at the time ?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Sway, your really losing this argument, just count the number of opinions differing from yours.

You're right, they have mismanaged the cap for a while. Lots has to do with the swing and miss on the greatest season ever.
It does not justify overpaying for the conjecture of an up and coming kid being a superstar.

that's funny my DM say different, trouncing everyone is a word used a few times.

Gonna be a long eight years for you guys, I hope you can manage to enjoy the Bruins still while being backstopped by Sway.

 

[Dr Quincy]

That is a bullshit argument.

Right, because it refutes your ridiculous Nicholas Sparks fictional drama post.

so my binky is the best Bruins chance to win a Cup.

What has Pasta ever won???????? How dare he want as much as Kucherov or Rantanen!!!!!!

 

[Mad-Marcus]

So you Pro Swayamn at any cost, don't believe 7.5M is fair for a show me deal?
Don't worry about his FA years, if he is that good the $$ will be there unless he is so immature that he holds grudges.
This is the same team that took a chance on him, gave him pro level coaching and a very good defense to get his legs under him.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

You must have missed the games played stat, kind of critical for a lifetime achievement contract.

no longer matters for forwards and defensemen on their second deals, so a goalies third deal is about to change as well. Bruins are reported to want 8, just a matter of finding the money both sides are ok with

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

My business model would be to overpay for your top talent if need be and trim the fat towards the bottom of your company. Bruins have 3 must pay guys, Swayman is one of them. I appreciate the Lindholm and Zadorov signings...I wouldn't spend 2.75 on a 6 D or 3 mil on a back goalie.

Screwing the little guys, typical capitalist pig!

 

[Hookslide]

Right, because it refutes your ridiculous Nicholas Sparks fictional drama post.

What the f*** are talking about.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

So you Pro Swayamn at any cost, don't believe 7.5M is fair for a show me deal?
Don't worry about his FA years, if he is that good the $$ will be there unless he is so immature that he holds grudges.
This is the same team that took a chance on him, gave him pro level coaching and a very good defense to get his legs under him.

2 years ridiculous. 4 years ridiculous. The time for four was last summer.

Swayman wants to be here. It's obvious.

6-8 years at a starting number of 8.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Very very different caliber of player/asset. Not even a possible comparison.

What do you mean? I've read that Swayman might not be any better than Bussi and Korpi and could be another Andrew Raycroft.

 

[lopey]

there are alot of people killing Swayman personally like he stole their significant other.

Swayman does not need to do whats best for the team. He doesn't need to take less because they couldnt find a center for 20 years to replace what they had and paid 4.5 mil in overages last season, meaning they couldn't give him a long term deal. Also not his fault they got a 3 million dollar backup forced upon them.

You must be disgusted with McAvoy and Pasta for not doing whats best for the team.

I said Sweeney needs to do whats best for the team. And yes swaynan needs to compromise as well as sweeney. This is how deals get done. There is a number sweeney wont go past.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What do you mean? I've read that Swayman might not be any better than Bussi and Korpi and could be another Andrew Raycroft.

Look if you want to rant against the lowest common denominator you’ll always have material. But let’s not pretend that’s the prevailing sentiment.

2 years ridiculous. 4 years ridiculous. The time for four was last summer.

Swayman wants to be here. It's obvious.

6-8 years at a starting number of 8.

What if Swayman wants 4 years?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Pretty wild that a goalie who's only gotten 3 third place votes for the Vezina in his career is favorited to win it. Guessing Bruins fans have been loading up on that bet.

That +550 "favorite" is a 15% implied win probability.

 

[Dr Quincy]

What the f*** are talking about.

" Sway what teammate do you suggest that they should move out so you and your agent can declare victory and have your press conference, and you can all smile and take photos as your ex-teammate is packing and your present teammates wonder what the hell is going on with you."

This piece of imaginary melodrama.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Look if you want to rant against the lowest common denominator you’ll always have material. But let’s not pretend that’s the prevailing sentiment.


What if Swayman wants 4 years?

would be a dream come true. I don't see it. I would love it if he decided to short change himself wouldn't change my view of what hes worth Means he wants out eventually I'm guessing and thats whatever

 

[ON3M4N]

Look if you want to rant against the lowest common denominator you’ll always have material. But let’s not pretend that’s the prevailing sentiment.


What if Swayman wants 4 years?

If Swayman wanted a shorter deal, I'd think he'd want 2yrs. Makes him a UFA as soon as possible and assuming his play stay the same, he'd have a lot of team looking sign him.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

25 year old goalie favorite for the Vezina

year one. All rookie team
year two. Jennings trophy 24-6-4 2.27 .920 4so
year three. Best post season performance since Tuuk in 2013.

79-33-15-2.43 .919 in 132 games

How in blue hell is that not a young superstar goalie?

Cap is 88 mil this year. Bruins can fit him. get it done.


If he was another Ullmark he would have been pulled before the Toronto series was over and they would have been out round 1.

How does his first three seasons and ten games stack up with goalies in history?

Who are you trading the 25 year old Swayman for? What goalies?

But that has more to do with the team and system than him. We make everyone look good.

In a given year going forward it’s at least 30-40% likely that the second goalie gets to start game 1 of the playoffs over Sway. Remember 2/3 years he wasn’t good enough to have the better stats and get nod. He was on the ice for elimination 4 years in a row however.

I don’t think he’s a buyout risk of we pay him big time but I do think there’s an extremely high chance he falls out of favor to the 1B guy over the course of an 8 year deal. Bc every goalie plays well in Boston. A bulletproof NMC 8 year deal at a huge number for this mouthy rat backstabber no thanks. Give him 2-4 so him and gross can be UFAs and reset the market and we’ll find someone else. I would rather not punt on this year.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

But that has more to do with the team and system than him. We make everyone look good.

In a given year going forward it’s at least 30-40% likely that the second goalie gets to start game 1 of the playoffs over Sway. Remember 2/3 years he wasn’t good enough to have the better stats and get nod. He was on the ice for elimination 4 years in a row however.

I don’t think he’s a buyout risk of we pay him big time but I do think there’s an extremely high chance he falls out of favor to the 1B guy over the course of an 8 year deal. Bc every goalie plays well in Boston. A bulletproof NMC 8 year deal at a huge number for this mouthy rat backstabber no thanks. Give him 2-4 so him and gross can be UFAs and reset the market and we’ll find someone else. I would rather not punt on this year.

year one, he went 3-2 in the playoffs after Ullmark folded
year two, he's winning the game for 59 minutes until McAvoy tips a puck past him
year three, best goaltending round since 2013. Had a couple stinkers vs Florida but did allow 1 goal in two of the games and lost a game 6 giving up 2 goals. He def could have been better at times

mouthy rat backstabber? LOL

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If Swayman wanted a shorter deal, I'd think he'd want 2yrs. Makes him a UFA as soon as possible and assuming his play stay the same, he'd have a lot of team looking sign him.

He can want two years all he wants he’s not going to get it.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

If Swayman wanted a shorter deal, I'd think he'd want 2yrs. Makes him a UFA as soon as possible and assuming his play stay the same, he'd have a lot of team looking sign him.

four years would make sense if he wanted to cash out twice, but I think he loves it here and wants to stay. Bruins need him

 

[dangermike]

that's funny my DM say different, trouncing everyone is a word used a few times.

Gonna be a long eight years for you guys, I hope you can manage to enjoy the Bruins still while being backstopped by Sway.

i think most of the posters want swayman here long term...

 

[nORRis8]

Vegas odds. Swayman and Shesterkin are tied at +550

Wellllllll.... Swayman is sitting in 9th spot on EA sports rating for 2025 so there's that

 

[Dr Quincy]

So you Pro Swayamn at any cost, don't believe 7.5M is fair for a show me deal?
Don't worry about his FA years, if he is that good the $$ will be there unless he is so immature that he holds grudges.
This is the same team that took a chance on him, gave him pro level coaching and a very good defense to get his legs under him.

So is this a business or isn't it, because I'm confused?

Ullmark made it clear he wanted to stay here, but Sweeney was deadset on dealing him. That's fine. It's a business and there's no such thing as loyalty.

But then the team shouldn't expect it either, and that's fine too.

 

[Scotto74]

NHL Odds To Win Vezina Trophy 2024-2025 - Shesterkin and Hellebuyck Stand Above All

NHL Vezina Odds for the 2024-25 season. A look at the odds to win the Vezina Trophy, including favorites Igor Shesterkin and Connor Hellebuyck.

www.covers.com

And this is last years list

NHL Vezina Trophy Odds: A Five-Way Tie Among Preseason Favorites

The NHL season is right around the corner, so award predictions must be made. Here's a look at the favorties to take home the Vezina Trophy.

www.fanduel.com

I dont see the actual winner on it anywhere. Vegas odds shouldn’t matter in a players contract negotiations

 

[Fingertools]

So you Pro Swayamn at any cost, don't believe 7.5M is fair for a show me deal?
Don't worry about his FA years, if he is that good the $$ will be there unless he is so immature that he holds grudges.
This is the same team that took a chance on him, gave him pro level coaching and a very good defense to get his legs under him.

So here's the rub with the anti-pay-Sway crowd ... let's say he gets a $7.5 4 yr deal, shows he can be a #1 with no workload restrictions, goes deep in every playoff etc. Now it's 4 yrs later, and he's ready as a UFA to cash in to the HIGHEST BIDDER. Are you guys ok with losing him? Cause if he gets $10M, or $11M or more from someone and you match it's not going to help fill the rest of the roster anymore than it will today giving him $9.5M for 8 yrs - will it? And you STILL can lose him. Ready to take that chance?