Confirmed with Link: Jeff Petry (50% retained) traded to DET for Gustav Lindström and conditional 4th-round pick in 2025 (later of Detroit or Boston's pick)

Whitesnake

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Underwhelming but necessary if the idea was to get rid of him. Expecting the same for DeSmith now.

So in the end, it's 2nd and Légaré for getting rid of Hoffman, Pitlick and keeping 50% of Petry.
 

Ezpz

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You can't send too many kids in Laval though or else they wont play.

We already have Mailloux, Struble, William Trudeau and Norlinder for next season in laval. If you send Barron down then you'll just have one spot for a vet.

I think they'll keep all of them in the NHL and maybe go with 8 dmen and rotate to rest them here and there while they learn.
Yeah that is my least favourite option; I hate splitting ice time. What is the benefit? We are not even remotely close to competing, why does Savard need to be in the lineup every game over one of the four prospects? Even giving the vets all those spots we had horrible goals against last year. Eddy and Savard had two of the worst GA/GF ratios. They were also completely ineffective on the PK as the primary pairing.

I guess we should just be happy we dropped Eddy and Hoffman. Addition by subtraction.
 

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If that's what happened, his agent is negligent and a colossal moron and so is Petry. Period. But I seriously doubt that was his thought process.

You don't treat your NTC with 'what if' scenarios.
I dunno, the series of events that led to all this happening is honestly pretty contrived and hard to realistically foresee. He's got 15 slots and if he had the other 6 Canadian teams plus the west coast teams on it, that's already 12 or 13 spots taken. I think it probably made sense to leave the Habs off the no trade list. With 15 slots you can't protect against every negative outcome and I think it was reasonable to expect there was an extremely low chance of Montreal reacquiring him, and that if they did it would be to flip in this way anyway.

He got traded away from a rebuilding Canadiens team to an aging but still competing Penguins team, the likelihood that the Penguins would go into summer 2023 trying to compete and specifically be targeting the reigning Norris winner at the same position as Letang & Petry, the Habs would find a fit in a three-way trade with the Sharks due to Mike Hoffman being untradeable, and that Petry going back to Montreal was the cap move that made a trade for a resurgent Erik Karlsson work is not something anyone could have reasonably projected or planned for.
 
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In the end all we really gave up is a little cap space and depth pieces. If losing 2.4M for 2 seasons is the only thing thats the issue, thats a good sign.

And its not losing 2.4 mil, its gaining cap space this season and losing some next season when the team doesn't really need it (unless you're one of the fans that expect the team to go back to Bergevin rules and go crazy in free agency next offseason).
 

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If Petry wasn't willing to play in Montreal then he would have had Montreal on his NTC. 'Petry didn't want to be here so the return is lowered' sounds like hogwash to me.

I'd have played him if that's the best we could get.
Didn't Friedman post that he spoke to Petry and he understood Petry hadn't listed Montreal because he hadn't expected we'd trade for him. That tweet alone was enough to lower his value.
 

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Yeah that is my least favourite option; I hate splitting ice time. What is the benefit? We are not even remotely close to competing, why does Savard need to be in the lineup every game over one of the four prospects? Even giving the vets all those spots we had horrible goals against last year. Eddy and Savard had two of the worst GA/GF ratios. They were also completely ineffective on the PK as the primary pairing.

I guess we should just be happy we dropped Eddy and Hoffman. Addition by subtraction.
I think when a kid is learning the game it can be beneficial to rest here and there and watch the game from above. A kid wont progress less because he plays 65-70 games instead of 82. They play less games in Europe and their kids develop very well over time there. They'll likely just waive Wideman he's not worth anything anyway and could be claimed considering he is paid league's minimum.
 
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I honestly don't mind this trade at all. When looking at the Wings roster once the rumors started, Lindstrom seemed like a likely candidate so I'm not surprised. Anything more would require Petry to play at least have half a year and then who knows. Petry didn't wanna play here anymore and I would imagine even less after the Karlsson trade.

Most people wanted Hoffman gone and Kent got that done while acquiring some assets and making room for the youngsters. He also provided the most exciting week of radio silence, so that's a win :laugh:
 
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The issue is you only have 1 retention slot left and you'd still like to trade DeSmith, Allen, Gallagher, Armia, Dvorak...

Tons of bad contracts left on that roster that you can't trade without retention.

And what's the rush about trading those contracts? Are we contending and I missed the news?
 

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Really underwhelming trade wow lol. I was honestly expecting two 2nds at 50% retained.

That 2.4M next year I don't like but it shouldn't be an issue either.

Oh well. Definitely overestimated Petry's value. Had he been open to western teams like Dallas or Edmonton, maybe we get more.
 

Ezpz

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I think when a kid is learning the game it can be beneficial to rest here and there and watch the game from above. A kid wont progress less because he plays 65-70 games instead of 82.
I just think that it would be more beneficial for the young guys to build chemistry playing with each other instead of with Savard who is not going to be here a year later. This is the year where we can experiment and see who gels with who. Who knows though. No point in getting myself worked up before the season even starts.
 

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Underwhelming but necessary if the idea was to get rid of him. Expecting the same for DeSmith now.

So in the end, it's 2nd and Légaré for getting rid of Hoffman, Pitlick and keeping 50% of Petry.
Another way to view this is

Trading Petry at 2.3M is the equivalent of buying out Hoffman (2.25M for 2 years on the cap)

Therefore, we actually got Lindstrom, 2nd, 4th and also got rid of Pitlick for ''buying out'' Hoffman.

Now let's see if we can move other salaries to start the season without Price on LTIR!
 

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The issue is you only have 1 retention slot left and you'd still like to trade DeSmith, Allen, Gallagher, Armia, Dvorak...

Tons of bad contracts left on that roster that you can't trade without retention.

The only guys from that group that management would look to trade is one of Allen and DeSmith, and Dvorak. And one of Allen and DeSmith are the only guys they'd "like" to trade.

Its fans that want to trade every bad contract, management has a realistic view as to how to navigate the cap mess Bergevin left behind.
 

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Lindstrom seems like a good candidate for waivers. And a trade within the division. Seems like a rush move.
 
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LaP

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I dunno, the series of events that led to all this happening is honestly pretty contrived and hard to realistically foresee. He's got 15 slots and if he had the other 6 Canadian teams plus the west coast teams on it, that's already 12 or 13 spots taken. I think it probably made sense to leave the Habs off the no trade list. With 15 slots you can't protect against every negative outcome and I think it was reasonable to expect there was an extremely low chance of Montreal reacquiring him, and that if they did it would be to flip in this way anyway.

He got traded away from a rebuilding Canadiens team to an aging but still competing Penguins team, the likelihood that the Penguins would go into summer 2023 trying to compete and specifically be targeting the reigning Norris winner at the same position as Letang & Petry, the Habs would find a fit in a three-way trade with the Sharks due to Mike Hoffman being untradeable, and that Petry going back to Montreal was the cap move that made a trade for a resurgent Erik Karlsson work is not something anyone could have reasonably projected or planned for.
He and his agent probably thought no way i'm being traded back to Montreal after asking for a trade out of there. That's what i would have thought if i was him.

Lindstrom seems like a good candidate for waivers. And a trade within the division. Seems like a rush move.
KH is just making sure the east improve even more ;) Pens and De are now slightly better. Better pick in 2024.
 

LaP

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The only guys from that group that management would look to trade is one of Allen and DeSmith, and Dvorak. And one of Allen and DeSmith are the only guys they'd "like" to trade.

Its fans that want to trade every bad contract, management has a realistic view as to how to navigate the cap mess Bergevin left behind.
Unless a team grossly overpay for Dvorak he wont be moved until the deadline of his last contract year.
 

MarkovsKnee

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Well that is pretty underwhelming return. I suppose the available options were few....

We can move forward but the retention slot is what bums me out.

It prevents other moves of the sort by TDL where we retain on a player to acquires picks or pull off Monahan moves....

Now get rid of DeSmith to NJ for a 3rd and we can get rdy for Camp

We can still move Monahan at TD with retention. It's not a big issue, as he's really the only player left I would retain on this year.

Money & Eddie retentions would end next July 1st. At that point, we would look at retaining on either Dvorak or Armia, as both are going into the final year of their contracts. The other we trade with retention at 2025 TDL.

Summer of 2025, Petry's retention is done, so we regain all 3 spots again. We would then look at potentially retaining on Josh Anderson, who would have 2 years left. Perhaps Gallagher if he's still healthy (also 2 years left), maybe even trade Price (one year left), because as the Max cap goes up so will the floor. Some team will need him for that.

Retention Sched:

2023-2024: Edmundson & Petry, Monahan at TDL.
2024-2025: Dvorak & Petry, Armia at TDL
2025-2026: Anderson (for 2 years), Gallagher (for 2 years - we'll see if he's healthy). Also, trade Price (1 year left) to Min Cap team - no retention.
 
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