Confirmed with Link: Jeff Petry (50% retained) traded to DET for Gustav Lindström and conditional 4th-round pick in 2025 (later of Detroit or Boston's pick)

[montreal]

While Hughes has proven to be a quantum improvement over his very limited predecessor, it doesn’t mean I agree with everything he has done. For example, I wouldn’t have drafted Reinbacher at 5OA. My preference was Leonard or to have traded down and selected Moore. But his acquisition of Newhook and his passing on Wright were excellent moves. Likewise, his initial re- acquisition of Petry was a Machiavellian-like move. On its surface, the recent trading of Petry was, at best, curious. I can’t see the huge risk we would have assumed in retaining Petry and trading him at the next trade deadline. If he got injured or his play materially regressed, what would we have lost? A 4th round pick in 2025? A marginal prospect? But if his play even approached 75% of prime Petry, he would have served as a great bridge player until our other prospects arrived and been a valuable trading asset. But that calculus is based on a superficial review of this recent transaction. None of us know what went on behind close doors. I will give Hughes the benefit of the doubt for no other reason than he was able to get rid of the Hoffman contract, retained little on Petry and secured a second round pick in the end.

I would have loved to trade down for Moore for another 1st, I don't know if he will be a say better Beck but I really like his game and I'm sure Hughes is a big fan since he has that speed/skating combo that he has been acquiring in prospect trades.

I would have kept Petry until the deadline to get that 9.5M number down, but he did do a former top player for us a solid so I don't mind it at all.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Right but the Habs don't necessarily need all three retention spots if they can place Price ON LTIR after the season starts.

Lastly, unused retention spots have no value.

But we used one and got no value. The Petry trade stunk. There is no way to dress it up. Retaining for two years to get a 4th is terrible.

Like I said earlier, this goes back to getting rid of Hoffman. It's all part of that price.

No it’s not. Petry was ours now, Hoffman was already gone.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

But we used one and got no value. The Petry trade stunk. There is no way to dress it up. Retaining for two years to get a 4th is terrible.


No it’s not. Petry was ours now, Hoffman was already gone.

HuGo did not want Petry. There was absolutely no point in keeping him. There will likely be another lockdown before the end of the season. It would be a disaster to keep him.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

HuGo did not want Petry. There was absolutely no point in keeping him. There will likely be another lockdown before the end of the season. It would be a disaster to keep him.

Then don’t keep him, why are we helping Petry and Detroit? They get the best player for a 2.4m caphit and we get nothing for the 2.4m caphit for 2 years. Some can’t seem to separate the Hoffman trade from the Petry trade. Petry was ours, there was no need to give him away and retain space. It was a bad deal, Hughes was being a nice guy and nice guys finish last.

Ppl thinking because he was nice to Petry that it’s going to attract other UFA’s, yeah ok. Naive bunch.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I suggest that your invective is better aimed at the fool who signed Hoffman to that outrageous contract rather than the player who benefited from that foolishness. Hoffman was the player he was before he came here. To have expected more is one of the reasons why Hughes is now the General Manager.

Chester,

My invective at the fool who signed Hoffman is well known (and in my opinion well deserved). I never expected more from the player, he’s everything I expected, which is why I’ve always disliked him. Most Canadians really detest someone who’s overpaid vast sums of money and doesn’t perform (while not giving the appearance to care or to work hard to change) and I’m no exception.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Chester,

My invective at the fool who signed Hoffman is well known (and in my opinion well deserved). I never expected more from the player, he’s everything I expected, which is why I’ve always disliked him. Most Canadians really detest someone who’s overpaid vast sums of money and doesn’t perform (while not giving the appearance to care or to work hard to change) and I’m no exception.

It was an awful deal the moment it was announced. Most, with even a modicum of insight, recognized this signing as complete foolishness. It was almost at an Alzner level of ineptitude, if that was possible. What is sad is that no one in the Canadiens’ then brain trust didn’t go to the Idiot Savant and say: Are you mad?

Dumb always loses.

 

[themilosh]

I suppose you are the genius on this board? The poll had most of us saying he was being traded or at least Hughes was trying to trade him. I'm not going to fault fans for trying to determine how he would fit in if we had to use him. I'm also not going to fault fans who understood we coud only get his full value by playing him. Petry is still better than most if not all of our right side Einstein.

Case in point above^
Smh

 

[HuGort]

In nutshell we acquired a 2nd round pick for giving up 2.3m caproom for '24-25.

These trades were a lot of shuffling the chairs to free up forward spots and accommodate players. Petry mainly.

DeSmith will be waived or in minors. Lindstrom for Wideman is a wash. Or he replaces Kovavebic if Barron has good camp. Or Lindstrom is in minors. The 4th is a late fourth, no value. Pitlick had a decent first 15 games for us then that was it.

 

[Rapala]

Case in point above^
Smh

You tell me who is currently better than Petry. David Savard? Justin Barron? Kovacevik? Petry will outscore all these guys while playing second pairing minutes for Detroit. The only player in our group who could possibly be more productive is Justin Barron but he'll have to up his game significantly if he hopes to do so. Petry is still a mobile RD nothing in his game has suggested he's fallen off a cliff. Like Chris Letang he will continue to produce until his wheels fall off.

Do you think mocking a portion of our membership makes you look wise and all knowing? It only shows arrogance and a lack of humility. Stop it with the broad strokes and explain your position. Because you said so doesn't cut it here.

BTW any loose marbles?

 

[CharleyHorse]

Then don’t keep him, why are we helping Petry and Detroit? They get the best player for a 2.4m caphit and we get nothing for the 2.4m caphit for 2 years. Some can’t seem to separate the Hoffman trade from the Petry trade. Petry was ours, there was no need to give him away and retain space. It was a bad deal, Hughes was being a nice guy and nice guys finish last.

Ppl thinking because he was nice to Petry that it’s going to attract other UFA’s, yeah ok. Naive bunch.

Perhaps. But perhaps without making Petry "ours", Pittsburgh may not have made Hoffman "theirs", and we'd still be stuck with Hoffman. With regard to not needing to give Petry away, here's a thought experiment for you: What if Petry did not want to be "ours"? As I remember it, last time he felt that way, it was not pretty.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Perhaps. But perhaps without making Petry "ours", Pittsburgh may not have made Hoffman "theirs", and we'd still be stuck with Hoffman. With regard to not needing to give Petry away, here's a thought experiment for you: What if Petry did not want to be "ours"? As I remember it, last time he felt that way, it was not pretty.

Then you still don’t give him away. There was little doubt that Petry didn’t want to be ours, but for 2.4m Petry is worth more than a 4th. Great that Petry got what he wanted, and Detroit got what they wanted, but we got nothing. Some goodwill with Petry and his family, but that doesn’t improve our team.

Anyway, Kent being the player friendly gm in hopes that players recognize and want to be apart of it. We will see.

 

[BLONG7]

But we used one and got no value. The Petry trade stunk. There is no way to dress it up. Retaining for two years to get a 4th is terrible.


No it’s not. Petry was ours now, Hoffman was already gone.

Looking at it a little more in broader terms, Petry got us, Matheson, at a cheaper cap hit, then got us rid of Hoffman...........picks prospects etc are in there too, but overall we did very well with Jeff Petry and his sulking demands.....

The last trade is underwhelming for sure...........but a no big deal either way if you ask me...I thought he would get us another 2nd, he didn't he got us a 4th and a kid on RD.

Summer is not over.....I think the over reaction to this deal, is well it's the dog days of August, and we needed something to complain about I guess.

 

[CharleyHorse]

Then you still don’t give him away. There was little doubt that Petry didn’t want to be ours, but for 2.4m Petry is worth more than a 4th. Great that Petry got what he wanted, and Detroit got what they wanted, but we got nothing. Some goodwill with Petry and his family, but that doesn’t improve our team.

Anyway, Kent being the player friendly gm in hopes that players recognize and want to be apart of it. We will see.

It takes two to play. Though I was not there during negotiations, I am pretty sure Yzerman did not offered Hughes a 3rd, or a 2nd and much less a 1st, and Hughes insisted on a 4th for Petry or no deal. As for us getting nothing, it depends on what the initial goal was going into the series of trades. From what I read, it was to trade Hoffman as part of the strategy towards fiscal stability for the organization, so from that perspective, mission accomplished.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Then you still don’t give him away. There was little doubt that Petry didn’t want to be ours, but for 2.4m Petry is worth more than a 4th. Great that Petry got what he wanted, and Detroit got what they wanted, but we got nothing. Some goodwill with Petry and his family, but that doesn’t improve our team.

Anyway, Kent being the player friendly gm in hopes that players recognize and want to be apart of it. We will see.

Hughes has stated he got into the Pens deal to facilitate and that was it. He got to dump some players and get some picks. He says he wasn’t going to try to maximize Perry’s value when trading him to the Wings.

Why? I’m not sure. But his transparency with the press is refreshing. He knows Petry was worth more than what he got.

I completely agree that trade was a clunker. But it sounds like he had other motivations. One benefit is that Detroit will rise in the standings. This move makes them a better team in the short term. That might help get us a better pick.

 

[WeThreeKings]

HuGo did not want Petry. There was absolutely no point in keeping him. There will likely be another lockdown before the end of the season. It would be a disaster to keep him.

There will not be another lockdown - Covid is just like the flu now, it's not even on the CDC's radar anymore.

 

[SlafySZN]

It's only borderline funny because there are some Montreal fans who know so little about hockey that this is truly all they can look forward to experiencing.

I mean, true. Who knows hockey and wants a lottery pick during a rebuild?

 

[cphabs]

Well we are paying 950k+2.34M to get a worse player so that Detroit can get a better player at less money(2.34M). We also used a retention spot

For the trouble we got a 4th round. Detroit was so kind to ensure that the condition is we get the worse of the their 2 4th round picks because clearly we were getting too much already.

So no we didn't get a 'little something'. We lost the trade. Not in a dramatic way but its not a win.

I never had expectations of a 1st. That would be ridiculous.

Also people have to decide. On one hand Hughes says he didn't fetch the best deal and on the other "look at comparables, we wouldn't have got better.". So why did Hughes even have to specify he didn't chase best deal IF this was the best deal? We left something on the table by not retaining Petry a little longer to see how it plays out but it is what it is.

I think its a loss to reward a player who quit on us twice but I'll forget about this trade by end of the day because its so marginal anyway.

What’s a retention slot?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

There will not be another lockdown - Covid is just like the flu now, it's not even on the CDC's radar anymore.

I don't know about the CDC but there is a variant coming to the fore in the US and a couple of other countries. If they can't come up with a vaccine for it who knows what they will do.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

You tell me who is currently better than Petry. David Savard? Justin Barron? Kovacevik? Petry will outscore all these guys while playing second pairing minutes for Detroit. The only player in our group who could possibly be more productive is Justin Barron but he'll have to up his game significantly if he hopes to do so. Petry is still a mobile RD nothing in his game has suggested he's fallen off a cliff. Like Chris Letang he will continue to produce until his wheels fall off.

Do you thin mocking a portion of our membership makes you look wise and all knowing? It only shows arrogance and a lack of humility. Stop it with the broad strokes and explain your position. Because you said so doesn't cut it here.

BTW any loose marbles?

I thought the same as you, but really, only a motivated Petry can do all those things well. He will be motivated in Detroit in a manner where he wouldn't be in Montreal this coming season. I like the player and I advocated re-signing him prior to his trade to Pittsburgh, but these are not robots. A local entrepreneur, invited to give a talk, once told my class: "One bad hire can crater a company" (he had a Powerpoint slide with a huge crater). Likewise, any deeply unmotivated player can crater a team. The Petry the Habs would ice would not be the same as the one who played for Pittsburgh or will play for Detroit.

From this standpoint, Hughes made the most of a suboptimal situation and managed to unload the Hoffmann boat anchor, which is mission accomplished.

 

[Rapala]

I thought the same as you, but really, only a motivated Petry can do all those things well. He will be motivated in Detroit in a manner where he wouldn't be in Montreal this coming season. I like the player and I advocated re-signing him prior to his trade to Pittsburgh, but these are not robots. A local entrepreneur, invited to give a talk, once told my class: "One bad hire can crater a company" (he had a Powerpoint slide with a huge crater). Likewise, any deeply unmotivated player can crater a team. The Petry the Habs would ice would not be the same as the one who played for Pittsburgh or will play for Detroit.

From this standpoint, Hughes made the most of a suboptimal situation and managed to unload the Hoffmann boat anchor, which is mission accomplished.

Absolutely. I'm also all for differing opinions @ReHabs finds himself on the other side of the fence more often than not but I don't see him making statements like "it's very telling how completely out to lunch a lot of fans are." Some felt we could possibly end up having to play Petry
and more than a handful of them are posters I respect and they certainly aren't "out to lunch." I couldn't let it pass maybe I should have.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Absolutely. I'm also all for differing opinions @ReHabs finds himself on the other side of the fence more often than not but I don't see him making statements like "it's very telling how completely out to lunch a lot of fans are." Some felt we could possibly end up having to play Petry
and more than a handful of them are posters I respect and they certainly aren't "out to lunch." I couldn't let it pass maybe I should have.

Seeing that kind of demeaning statement triggers me too. I'm reminded of this viral video on Twitter, which associates cruelty with moderate abilities.
I'd rather keep the discussion centered on the prevailing theme itself and distance myself from the mudslinging. That's been my approach, for the 20 years I've been here under various intantiations of Expat.

 

[ReHabs]

Absolutely. I'm also all for differing opinions @ReHabs finds himself on the other side of the fence more often than not but I don't see him making statements like "it's very telling how completely out to lunch a lot of fans are." Some felt we could possibly end up having to play Petry
and more than a handful of them are posters I respect and they certainly aren't "out to lunch." I couldn't let it pass maybe I should have.

I don’t make such statements because they’re unnecessary. The argument, should there be one, can stand on its own.

You have your perspective, I have my perspective, we have our respective interpretations.

It makes for a discussion — sometimes tedious, sometimes a ‘mountain out of a molehill’ (such as this trade’s discussion), sometimes very interesting — but there is absolutely no need to take personal shots or imply the discussion counterparts are intellectually deficient.

If you start off by assuming other commentators are dumb or bad faith or whatever you end up very quickly being bitter and wrong about everything.

It’s sports… there will never ever be a consensus.

 

[schwang26]

But we used one and got no value. The Petry trade stunk. There is no way to dress it up. Retaining for two years to get a 4th is terrible.


No it’s not. Petry was ours now, Hoffman was already gone.

And part of the cost was taking on Petry. It was clear he wasn't staying and clear they'd need to retain. He has a no trade list. What were you expecting? How does a minor trade "stink"? It's a nothing deal that wasn't going to fetch much value or cost much. 2 million is peanuts to them. Plus, who knows with Lindstrom? Could be good. Could be nothing.

 

[Hacketts]

I don’t make such statements because they’re unnecessary. The argument, should there be one, can stand on its own.

You have your perspective, I have my perspective, we have our respective interpretations.

It makes for a discussion — sometimes tedious, sometimes a ‘mountain out of a molehill’ (such as this trade’s discussion), sometimes very interesting — but there is absolutely no need to take personal shots or imply the discussion counterparts are intellectually deficient.

If you start off by assuming other commentators are dumb or bad faith or whatever you end up very quickly being bitter and wrong about everything.

It’s sports… there will never ever be a consensus.

Your posts at times can be quite redundant, and they can become a bit exhausting.

Never change who you are, but sometimes less is more imo.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Hughes has stated he got into the Pens deal to facilitate and that was it. He got to dump some players and get some picks. He says he wasn’t going to try to maximize Perry’s value when trading him to the Wings.

Why? I’m not sure. But his transparency with the press is refreshing. He knows Petry was worth more than what he got.

I completely agree that trade was a clunker. But it sounds like he had other motivations. One benefit is that Detroit will rise in the standings. This move makes them a better team in the short term. That might help get us a better pick.

Yep, at least he explained his thought process and I can respect that. I don’t think the goodwill he showed the Petry’s will lead to others wanting to sign here. I think that is naive.