Player Discussion Jeff Gorton Part II

[Trxjw]

I mean TDA is one of the best offensive d-men in the league. If a team does pick him up, they’ll get a massive upgrade. He isn’t some random scrub.

Well worth the risk of him potentially choking a teammate in 3 months.

 

[Priorae]

This is a real stretch. It's clear there wasn't really a market for TDA. Otherwise he would have been dealt already. Otherwise he would have been claimed for free.

That is 100% not the case. This was not a "we don't have a market" scenario...this was a force into a corner created by yourself scenario. By the time he was on waivers his value was annihilated. Never had to be that way.

And that's the point right. Its not about Deangelo necessarily, or even whether "we'll be better off". The GMs responsibility is maximizing the talent that you have control over contractually...not destroying value under the guise of team morale. You can have both with a less rigid decision process.

Someone else wrote "time to move on" and we have to. What's happened has happened.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That is 100% not the case. This was not a "we don't have a market" scenario...this was a force into a corner created by yourself scenario. By the time he was on waivers his value was annihilated. Never had to be that way.

And that's the point right. Its not about Deangelo necessarily, or even whether "we'll be better off". The GMs responsibility is maximizing the talent that you have control over contractually...not destroying value under the guise of team morale. You can have both with a less rigid decision process.

Someone else wrote "time to move on" and we have to. What's happened has happened.

This move was made not because it was time to move on, but because it was determined to be that it would be addition by subtraction. So, in that case, the FO determined there's value in waiving him.

Again, if there's a market for him (created or otherwise) he would have been dealt already.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Well worth the risk of him potentially choking a teammate in 3 months.

you really don’t think teammates fight with each other?

if you’re gonna trade him then trade him, don’t resign him. just horrific asset management.

 

[tailgunner]

If Reggie was hitting .210 and not hitting HRs, you can bet your ass that would have been looked at differently. TDA's play/production didn't warrant putting up with him.

Bill Parcells was very honest: there was a different standard for Lawrence Taylor than there would have been for the backup long-snapper.

TDA put up over 50 points last year did he not ? and the PP was pretty good was it not ?
last nights PP looked like a disaster, yes they scored 1 goal but TDA will be missed in the long run

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

TDA put up over 50 points last year did he not ? and the PP was pretty good was it not ?
last nights PP looked like a disaster, yes they scored 1 goal but TDA will be missed in the long run

It can be both that he might be missed and they might be better off without him...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

you really don’t think teammates fight with each other?

if you’re gonna trade him then trade him, don’t resign him. just horrific asset management.

You're really benefitting from seeing how things played out when looking how a decision was made in the past.

Bet you would have nailed the Marty McSorely trade. Now.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

TDA put up over 50 points last year did he not ? and the PP was pretty good was it not ?
last nights PP looked like a disaster, yes they scored 1 goal but TDA will be missed in the long run

The PP isnt a disaster because Tony wasnt on the point. It's a disaster because Quinn and his staff refuse to put a LH shot on the RW so there is threat to shoot on both sides.

Instead we have PP1 that must force feed the puck left to shoot and PP2 that forces the puck right to shoot.

 

[Trxjw]

you really don’t think teammates fight with each other?

if you’re gonna trade him then trade him, don’t resign him. just horrific asset management.

Fight? Of course. Try to choke a teammate? No, that's not normal.

So do you want Gorton to just take the first offer on any player he intends to trade or do you want him to try and negotiate the best value he can? Because you sure as hell can't have it both ways.

 

[duhmetreE]

The PP isnt a disaster because Tony wasnt on the point. It's a disaster because Quinn and his staff refuse to put a LH shot on the RW so there is threat to shoot on both sides.

Instead we have PP1 that must force feed the puck left to shoot and PP2 that forces the puck right to shoot.

the entire setup is bad.

Setup a LHS on the right dot
Setup a RHS on the left dot
Set up a bumper in high slot
Have Kreider in front
Let Fox run point

I do not get why its so hard. Puck control is not the main goal on a PP... it's seems that's what we're going for sometimes

 

[NYSPORTS]

Are you suggesting that things changed from the deadline and to offseason? Crazy stuff....

tell me about Gordon’s comments after being swept. Tell me about the cap. Crazy if you forgot

 

[True Blue]

If Reggie was hitting .210 and not hitting HRs, you can bet your ass that would have been looked at differently. TDA's play/production didn't warrant putting up with him.

Bill Parcells was very honest: there was a different standard for Lawrence Taylor than there would have been for the backup long-snapper.

Also, not sure that the Bronx Zoo locker room is what you want for the youngest team in the league.

 

[True Blue]

I mean TDA is one of the best offensive d-men in the league. If a team does pick him up, they’ll get a massive upgrade. He isn’t some random scrub.

Of course, but the baggage is something each team will weigh. There is a reason that no team simply claimed him.

 

[True Blue]

The GM shows integrity and holds himself true to his word about dealing with Tony's antics and people are upset that he sunk the value of an asset he'd been shopping for months with only moderate interest to begin with. Sounds about right.

Hockeys different here

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

tell me about Gordon’s comments after being swept. Tell me about the cap. Crazy if you forgot

So you're saying that Gorton intentionally sabotaged the team and gave TDA a contract with the knowledge that TDA would become an issue that was untenable? That's a gift that's really wasted on a hockey board.

 

[True Blue]

you really don’t think teammates fight with each other?

if you’re gonna trade him then trade him, don’t resign him. just horrific asset management.

Going to go with fistfights in the locker room are exceptions and not the rule.

As far as asset valuation goes, management made a decision that for the value of the overall company, a business unit must be eliminated. The action of subtracting an asset for seemingly nothing has the effect of raising long term value on the overall company.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Hockeys different here

Evergreen post.

 

[True Blue]

Bet you would have nailed the Marty McSorely trade. Now.

Don't make fun of Marty. he was just greatly misunderstood.

 

[GAGLine]

in addition why even state "tony has played his last game as a Ranger"

That statement alone has now handcuffed you into making a bad trade because you lost all leverage with your other GM's
really baffling what has happened here ...we lose a quality d-man and get nothing back...great job gorton

No it hasn't, because Tony won't be traded. No GM is going to take him, and if they did, they wouldn't do it without sending bad cap back.

Tony will sit at home and watch the Rangers play until the next buyout window opens up, then he will be gone.

 

[GAGLine]

you really don’t think teammates fight with each other?

if you’re gonna trade him then trade him, don’t resign him. just horrific asset management.

This whole thing was about a lot more than just the fight. Players don't get last warnings for nothing.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So you're saying that Gorton intentionally sabotaged the team and gave TDA a contract with the knowledge that TDA would become an issue that was untenable? That's a gift that's really wasted on a hockey board.

thank goodness we have you.

 

[True Blue]

This whole thing was about a lot more than just the fight. Players don't get last warnings for nothing.

He was spoken to by the front office, the coaching staff and his own teammates. But yeah, all about a simply flare up of tempers.

 

[True Blue]

thank goodness we have you.

It balances out the likes of you.

 

[haveandare]

The PP isnt a disaster because Tony wasnt on the point. It's a disaster because Quinn and his staff refuse to put a LH shot on the RW so there is threat to shoot on both sides.

Instead we have PP1 that must force feed the puck left to shoot and PP2 that forces the puck right to shoot.

Wasn’t Buch on PP1 the last few games?

 

[NYSPORTS]

It balances out the likes of you.

and who is agreeing with your math theories today? Glad you found a friend.