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Player Discussion Jeff Gorton Part II

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Totally groton’s fault.

Tony making a sarcastic comment to a goalie moments after a game and then fighting him, regardless of who threw the first punch or whatever, wouldn’t have been ok on my high school team.

Not to mention for a guy making $5m a year.

When it’s already your last straw, and you know it, and you then choke your goalie, you bet your ass you’re going to be on the street.
 
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I have the utmost faith in Gorton, and I trust him as much as any other GM in the league.

But if you expect him to have precognition and mind control then, yeah, you're going to be disappointed.
 
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This situation could have been handled in a myriad of different ways that positioned the Rangers and DeAngelo with upside optionality (even if he doesn't deserve it). Instead, we get a final decree and a press conference.

I do expect more from management than that.
 
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Priorae said:
This situation could have been handled in a myriad of different ways that positioned the Rangers and DeAngelo with upside optionality (even if he doesn't deserve it). Instead, we get a final decree and a press conference.

I do expect more from management than that.
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It was in the endgame. Months of chemo didn’t work so they decided to cut the cancer out.

Let him go put up points elsewhere. We’ll be better off in the long run.
 
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Priorae said:
We handled it horribly. He didn't break the law. What franchise takes a talented kid and basically cuts him after handing him a large contract after 10 games. I don't care how many times veteran (haha - Kreider at 27) took him "aside". Kreider isn't paying his bills.

If they all say "we hate this guy, he sucks" A) they're wrong because he doesn't and B) suspend him without a decree until we figure out what to do.

We have backed ourselves into this decision for no reason when there were alternatives.
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Alternatives? The guy got scratched 2 weeks ago and has been pouting and carrying himself like an adolescent. JD talked to him, Gorts talked to him. Peers talked to him. At some point push comes to....shove...in this case literally. Just look at the fallout?

We didn't paint ourselves in a corner. Tony did. If he really wanted out, then ask for a trade and keep doing your job. Be a god damn professional. Showing up to work and yapping at teammates because of your own ineptitude is not acceptable. Why are people defending this child?
 
Unfortunately it was always going to end badly. Just not so sudden. I think he got too comfortable. He was behaving well last year, found incredible success, was liked as the class clown, channeled his energy to chirping the entire Bruins bench and into knocking out Okposo. Hell, he even had fun with Georgiev in a mock interview. Got his payday, got a little too comfy and old habits came back.
 
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Because he is talented and that creates options. Options that we no longer have.

I’m not defending his actions or even him, I’m disgusted at how juvenile THIS juvenile was handled.
 
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My only concern is that it hadn’t just been with Tony DeAngelo but there was the whole Lias Andersson debacle and to a lesser extent Kravstov. Obviously the Kravstov thing wasn’t a huge deal since he is still here in the organizations plans but Tony and Lias damn sure were big issues. I’m not saying it’s n Gorton fully but there is something going on within the organization that is having a lot of these issues with players
 
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Some times there a factors that are bigger than just "Value". If a player is seen to be detrimental to the morale, development, and atmosphere of the rest of the team- Said player should be removed from the team immediately. The sport is still a profession. They need to withhold a level of professionalism basically in line with any other job. Tony apparently did not do that.

You can only try to guide a person so much before the responsibility falls into their laps. Tony was basically a dynamic 'veteran' on this team considering the age of the rest of the kids. They can't allow him to set the example. He even supposedly had REAL vet like Trouba pull him a side and take him under their wing. And still 'unprofessionalism'.

This type of player may just not be suitable for a rebuilding team - asset management be damned.
 
WojtekWolski86 said:
Alternatives? The guy got scratched 2 weeks ago and has been pouting and carrying himself like an adolescent. JD talked to him, Gorts talked to him. Peers talked to him. At some point push comes to....shove...in this case literally. Just look at the fallout?

We didn't paint ourselves in a corner. Tony did. If he really wanted out, then ask for a trade and keep doing your job. Be a god damn professional. Showing up to work and yapping at teammates because of your own ineptitude is not acceptable. Why are people defending this child?
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Very well put. If you are becoming a distraction in the locker room. have been spoken to by every layer of management and coaching and by your teammates and are STILL not getting the point, what do you believe the expected outcome is?
 
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Rangerfan4life90 said:
I'm only upset that they got nothing of value for him. If he truly wasn't in their long-term plans, they should have traded him in the offseason.
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A) the return profile did not fit. They tried to move him. B) there was no urge to trade him based on both his performance and his behavior.
 
NYRangers0723 said:
My only concern is that it hadn’t just been with Tony DeAngelo but there was the whole Lias Andersson debacle and to a lesser extent Kravstov. Obviously the Kravstov thing wasn’t a huge deal since he is still here in the organizations plans but Tony and Lias damn sure were big issues. I’m not saying it’s n Gorton fully but there is something going on within the organization that is having a lot of these issues with players
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DeAngelo did this to himself. Anderson decided that he was too good for Hartford and compounded it by picking up his ball and going home.

Chytil had no issue in working on his game in Hartford and forcing management to play him. Neither did Lindgren. Miller came into camp and outplayed the competition. Karvstov saw his mistake and was shining in Traktor.
 
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Rangerfan4life90 said:
I'm only upset that they got nothing of value for him. If he truly wasn't in their long-term plans, they should have traded him in the offseason.
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Kredier, Strome, Fast, ADA - up until the deadline none appeared to be in the long term plan as this was still a rebuild. Now 50% is gone with both short and long term money tied up in 75% . . . yet it’s a rebuild?
 
this whole thing is utter nonsense to begin with and has been horribly handled by gorton.

what team in the past didn't have teammates fighting each other ? I played hockey all my life and there were always locker room disagreements and fights... so what ?

when reggie jackson famously fought billy martin in the dugout in the 70's was reggie placed on waivers ? hell no...they went on to win championships

this should off been kept in house..maybe suspend TDA for a while ...have him apologize to his teammates or something like that...not just banish him forever, in the end we lose a quality d-man for a locker room temper tantrum. insane world we are living in right now.
 
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in addition why even state "tony has played his last game as a Ranger"

That statement alone has now handcuffed you into making a bad trade because you lost all leverage with your other GM's
really baffling what has happened here ...we lose a quality d-man and get nothing back...great job gorton
 
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tailgunner said:
in addition why even state "tony has played his last game as a Ranger"

That statement alone has now handcuffed you into making a bad trade because you lost all leverage with your other GM's
really baffling what has happened here ...we lose a quality d-man and get nothing back...great job gorton
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This is a real stretch. It's clear there wasn't really a market for TDA. Otherwise he would have been dealt already. Otherwise he would have been claimed for free.
 
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tailgunner said:
when reggie jackson famously fought billy martin in the dugout in the 70's was reggie placed on waivers ? hell no...they went on to win championships
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If Reggie was hitting .210 and not hitting HRs, you can bet your ass that would have been looked at differently. TDA's play/production didn't warrant putting up with him.

Bill Parcells was very honest: there was a different standard for Lawrence Taylor than there would have been for the backup long-snapper.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
If Reggie was hitting .210 and not hitting HRs, you can bet your ass that would have been looked at differently. TDA's play/production didn't warrant putting up with him.

Bill Parcells was very honest: there was a different standard for Lawrence Taylor than there would have been for the backup long-snapper.
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I mean TDA is one of the best offensive d-men in the league. If a team does pick him up, they’ll get a massive upgrade. He isn’t some random scrub.
 
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