Confirmed with Link: Jay Woodcroft and Dave Manson fired - no more Woody during NNN - Kris Knoblauch hired, Coffey as assistant

[FanOfSadTeam]

Well guys, it was meant to be, right?

We've gone from Tipp, to Woody, to Knob.

Great Babcock is next

 

[Drivesaitl]

thats on Holland, and what did he do about it in the offseason?

Now look at this mess

Agreed here. I would not have acquired Campbell but given how he was playing I would have handed him the keys in the playoffs. That ultimately is on Woody. But also lack of adjustments, lack of line matching. The Oilers were getting lit up specific to some matchups. They made no adjustments to that. Through Woody's tenure it wasn't apparent that he was doing much other than press the McDrai button a lot and realistically how much of our success had to do with the PP specifically.

 

[Ninety7]

So if Crosby retires and gets hired as an assistant coach will you say he’s not qualified?

I feel like youre intentionally being obtuse.

Context matters.

This organization has a history of hiring guys who are ex players into roles that they aren’t qualified for. It’s a dogma that’s been ingrained for years into our organization. And what do we have to show for it?

And yes, hiring a player who has no coaching experience for a role in a pivotal year is absolutely a joke.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It’s why I said I appreciate the money he has put in and you wouldn’t understand because you live in Calgary.

Okay but what does that have to do with being the owner of the Oilers? He didn’t need to own the team to put money into the city.

 

[Zerotonine]

Gluetzan has sure been able to dodge bullets himself lol

 

[hockey20000]

so mcdavid is now the lebron of the nhl? for all the flack crosby got in the early days atleast he wasnt mcdavid level cringe lol.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If it's as an assistant for a junior team, then I would say, fine. Gotta pay your dues.

Interesting. If you feel that way then you have every right to bitch about the hire. I don’t agree but hey this is a discussion forum.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Like I said yesterday Woodcrofts mind was destroyed by the Vegas comments in the summer and he tried to reinvent the wheel. Had he decided to just use last years system after the 8 game mark he would probably still have a job.

 

[mkatcherin00]

A good article on Knoblauch:

Is Kris Knoblauch a viable candidate to be the next NY Rangers coach?

Players, coaches and executives who have worked closely with Kris Knoblauch weighed in on the emerging AHL Hartford coach.

www.lohud.com

How refreshing. A coach who had no ego and scrapped his system after a bad start and his team rallied to make the playoffs winning 11/14 games.

 

[Ninety7]

how much longer until certain fans pool their money together, and buy a billboard add with "Fire Ken Holland"?

The more you post, the more I am convinced that you are Kevin Lowe.

 

[Biltmore]

Do you think these guys would play hard for Sutter? I actually like the guy but I don’t think it would work with this team.

Maybe if it's a squash game at the Country Club

 

[Shizuka]

Like I’ve said, the players and coach share responsibility here.

The players shouldn’t be having this much difficulty committing to or executing a passive NZ system and a Box+1 in the DZ. It’s not some new fangled swarm system like Eakins tried to implement. A good portion of the league plays these same systems.

At the same time, it’s on the coaches for being stubborn with it and trying to force something that was clearly not working.

And they also do not have the personnel to run a full on, locked down defensive first system right? No defensive stalwarts in the bunch (Ekholm playing hurt, thanks to the training staff changing his off-season regime instead of letting him run with what has made him successful the past 12 years of his career.. another conversation though).

I think Woodcroft and co. were trying to force it on them because of a combination of bad habits and goalie implosion. They absolutely needed to shore up defensive aspects but a full on switch to that type of system when the players are used to a run and gun style.. tough sell.

So another two coaches given their walking papers and we're back on the coach carousel. I don't even see all that much difference in the style of coach that Knoblauch allegedly is, relative to Woodcroft. Not a fan of the Coffey hire however.

 

[GOilers88]

Gluetzan has sure been able to dodge bullets himself lol

Gully has done a good job though.

 

[sepHF]

Agreed here. I would not have acquired Campbell but given how he was playing I would have handed him the keys in the playoffs. That ultimately is on Woody. But also lack of adjustments, lack of line matching. The Oilers were getting lit up specific to some matchups. They made no adjustments to that. Through Woody's tenure it wasn't apparent that he was doing much other than press the McDrai button a lot and realistically how much of our success had to do with the PP specifically.

My thing with Campbell is he was only really good when he made relief appearances and the games were out of reach or there was no pressure. He had one good performance against LA, I'll give him that

but that doesn't erase the mediocore 30+ starts he gave us prior. He lost Woodcrofts confidence in the regular season and he couldn't hedge his bets on Campbell

Skinner almost always had strong bounce back games in his rookie year after a stinker, so I get the logic. You also know Campbell is cooked and isn't going to be the answer long term so the reps for Skinner are valuable for the future

Vegas is a hell of a team and that series could have gone either way with a few different bounces to be honest, even some of the Vegas players went out of their way to say Edmonton was a hard opponent

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I feel like youre intentionally being obtuse.

Context matters.

This organization has a history of hiring guys who are ex players into roles that they aren’t qualified for. It’s a dogma that’s been ingrained for years into our organization. And what do we have to show for it?

And yes, hiring a player who has no coaching experience for a role in a pivotal year is absolutely a joke.

I’m not trying to be obtuse I’m just trying to see if you would still hate the hire if he didn’t play with Lowe. Sounds like you would which is a fair opinion.

 

[KlefDown]

This organization is cooked. This Knobhead or whatever his name is going to be far worse than Woodcroft and people will defend him up for absolutely no reason with bullshit excuses such as “he’s a coach who joined mid-season it takes time for him to implement his system and how he wants to play” and “he didn’t get to choose his assistant coaches, once he does he’ll be better”. I’ve seen this film before

We just let the best coach this team has had in a loooong time go because the management can’t ice a better team. f***ing criminal level injustice for Woodcroft + Manson

 

[McTonyBrar]

Kris Knoblauch did coach for The Rangers during Covid. He won 4 of his 6 games and won one 9-1.

Hand us the Cup

 

[Jumptheshark]

You could probably start one today, just to have it handy. Just make sure to include Paul Coffey.

I have more problem with Coffey getting hired than the Knob. I would have preferred Huddy comes back. Coffey does not have that much coaching experience--He got the job cause he has been kissing Katz ass for a couple of years now

 

[booyakasha]

The more you post, the more I am convinced that you are Kevin Lowe.

comin up a little short on the ad money eh?

 

[Oilers88]

so mcdavid is now the lebron of the nhl? for all the flack crosby got in the early days atleast he wasnt mcdavid level cringe lol.

The Penguins also built an organization that won him a cup in his fourth season, and remained competitive even when he was missing half the season with injuries. Connor is struggling with an injury and the team looks like they deserve to be relegated- I don't blame him for being pissed.

 

[Ninety7]

I’m not trying to be obtuse I’m just trying to see if you would still hate the hire if he didn’t play with Lowe. Sounds like you would which is a fair opinion.

I just want someone qualified for the job. He’s been a coach for AJHL teams and a junior A teams, and a midget AAA team.

And I would be willing to give Coffey the benefit of the doubt if this hasn’t been the standard for the oilers.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

The GMs are the no.1 reason the coaches keep getting fired, don’t kid yourself.

If anything McDavid carried Woody to .600+ win percentage which he can now use to spring board himself to a job elsewhere.

I've already indicated time and again Holland should be the first head to roll for multiple reasons. McDavid racking up the points for sure played a role with Woodcroft but it was also a historic powerplay and a rookie goalie which played well enough to be a Calder finalist that had a big part in that last season. Their powerplay won them alot of games but anyone expecting that to still roll on at a 35% success rate clip this season set expectations too high.

But seeing what people are posting about the new guy, it seems more and more they fired Jay Woodcroft and replaced him with Jay Woodcroft.

 

[Cloned]

And they also do not have the personnel to run a full on, locked down defensive first system right? No defensive stalwarts in the bunch (Ekholm playing hurt, thanks to the training staff changing his off-season regime instead of letting him run with what has made him successful the past 12 years of his career.. another conversation though).

I think Woodcroft and co. were trying to force it on them because of a combination of bad habits and goalie implosion. They absolutely needed to shore up defensive aspects but a full on switch to that type of system when the players are used to a run and gun style.. tough sell.

So another two coaches given their walking papers and we're back on the coach carousel. I don't even see all that much difference in the style of coach that Knoblauch allegedly is, relative to Woodcroft. Not a fan of the Coffey hire however.

Agree with most of this, although Knoblauch seems to be more of a systems guru and more adaptable than Woodcroft. Willing to see where that takes us.

Coffey; it’s really difficult not to assume unearned nepotism, but at this stage we just have to hope it works.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

comin up a little short on the ad money eh?

You keep inventing a scenario that isn’t going to happen, Mr. Lowe.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Not sure this was the right move, especially after a win, but it’s definitely clear it was decided this was happening after the loss to the Sharks. Also Holland keeping his job is insanity.

The power McDavid wields behind the scenes is far greater than I think anyone anticipated.