Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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KeyserSoze81
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They honestly got lucky with McDermott. His conservative roots probably sealed the deal, but the dude is a fantastic leader who already had substantial connections to build out the staff.
Their first hire was Rex Ryan; coupled with the LaFontaine/Murray/Botterill hires, we get a better idea of their competencies when selecting management.
Not to go off thread, but I don't think there was a great general principle used to hire McDermott. And he led them to Beane. And they might have effed themselves missing on Jackson or Maholmes. To soon to say with them.
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TalkingProuder
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Pegula's hire great management for the Bills
Remains to be seen. Great management would have the team in a Superbowl in 3 years such as Shanahan, a coach with better qualifications than McDermott who never was even interviewed here. Not a total tire fire? Ok.
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I think the Pegulas got lucky as hell with McD being a reactionary "hire the opposite of Rex" move and getting him led to Beane. Jury is still out on what the Bills' ceiling could be and Allen is still a major question mark, but at least there seems to be a baseline of competency there.
With the Sabres...man. I just have no faith they'll get this next GM hire right, and the worst part is their outsized confidence that they know what they're doing.
So he's going to wait again, because that's what he's good at... waiting... until the homestand is over before he talks to Terry and Kim about what they should do. This reminds me of him deciding to finally sack Phil, just after the Panthers had hired Q. The contingency was never possible, there was no forethought. It won't be a surprise when they make next to no moves at the deadline, as it has been them making next to no moves in-season in Botterill's horrid tenure because he doesn't execute anything with any urgency.
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Whether they hired great management for the Bills is still debatable to me. But the real issue is there insistence that both franchises be run through the PSE umbrella. They mistakenly believe that sports properties are fungible and that a uniform management philosophy will work for both. Hockey and football are drastically different beasts. The no cut contract in hockey is diametrically opposed to the no guarantee contracts in football. Further, the talent evaluation process is much more refined in football with the ability to draft men coming out of sophisticated developmental programs that have less unknowns. Hockey requires casting your lot on teenagers before you have an idea of their mental and physical growth propensity.
The Pegulas are trying to create a brand around PSE through their products Sabres Bills Bandits et al. The problem is the products are so unique they shouldn’t be managed centrally. There needs to be separate “companies” so to speak, that are accountable for each product. There are no shared economies. There are unique operating environments for each. To believe that they are similar is the first misstep. Not having the proper subject matter expertise driving decision making naturally follows. And here we are.
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When a GM talking about "not going to harm this organization". Literally what the hell? He's so paralyzed by fear he might hurt the team he's doing nothing....which is hurting the team.
I'm typically a "patience is good for a rebuilding team", but when you have a top 5 NHL center having a MVP caliber season, and your team is STILL bad?
This is literally what we tanked FOR. It's not time to sit on the side lines, it's time to take some risks.
I'm typically a "patience is good for a rebuilding team", but when you have a top 5 NHL center having a MVP caliber season, and your team is STILL bad?
This is literally what we tanked FOR. It's not time to sit on the side lines, it's time to take some risks.
Botts and taking risks is my worst nightmare. He has to go.
Seriously what moves make sense now other than some housecleaning dumps? We are done like dinner. This year is gone pfft. We need Dahlin, Eichel, Olofsson, Reinhart ,Ullmark, Joker and cannot trade Skinner. What is left--and some of them like , Risto, Pilut, Miller, Johansen.McCabe,Lazar, Girgs and Larsson have some value=will they bring back any upgrades that will help right now? Some of the latter group will need to play on this team next year. We need Thompson, Borgen, Mittelstadt, to be bona fide nhl players. We need our recent draft choices -Cozens. Samuelson, Johnson, 6K and our number 1 this year to be better than average nhlers. I have not drunk the koolaid. I know this team lacks fire power and at least one balls to the wall forward with a modicum of scoring ability. Next year is Botts year to succeed or fall on his sword.
Oilers had the best player in hockey and decided gamble getting Adam Larson for Taylor Hall. Please Botts do not be that daring.
The housecleaning moves are what I'm talking about. His comments didn't engender confidence in his ability to maximize any values between now and the trade deadline. They should be looking at clearing out most of their UFA's and should be looking at retaining one (Larsson) because of both his worth as a checking role player and their dearth of centers. That means doing things like popping Sheary back on Jack's wing for a time while Olofsson is out to see if they can ignite a bit of offense from his stick as a way of showing he might have some worth to a playoff team looking for all the old intrinsic value items that get so much lip service at this point in time - Cup winning experience, speed, scoring depth. They're trying it a bit with Vesey right now and if a team is still buying into +/-or if they notice xGF, that will help there. But Vesey is off the PK because he was not good at it in Buffalo's scheme.
He needs to have his deals lined up and ready to be made, not start working the phones at the end of this homestand. Those deals should be ready to drop the moment things are settled with the conversation with Kim and Terry. There is no reason to believe that is what he is going to do. That's my concern - that he is going to wait, while not trying to set things up to max appeal for what he's selling, and they won't move anything for anything. I don't care if they are landing a slew of mid-round draft picks or someone's 9th best prospect - get the deals done and do them as well as possible. That requires grunt work now and before now.
And no, Botts should not be given any further opportunities to do anything with the roster outside of trying to maximize sale value right now. There should be no next season. He is what he is: slow to a fault, overly impressed with his own acquisitions, and incapable of decisive, necessary action. That doesn't get another summer, especially not when he can do real, lasting damage to the cap structure and fortunes of the team by what he does this summer.
He already had his Hall-for-Larsson moment, albeit none of the pieces he got for Selke/Hart/Cup winner are close to Larsson in usefulness. So perhaps it is "Don't do it again."
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It's a little late to be taking the Hippocratic oath after ripping out the patient's heart.
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I am starting to become absolutely convinced that they flat-out got lucky with the McDermott hire. McDermott's input led them to hire Beane and the rest is history.
They haven't gotten lucky with the Sabres.
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Agreed. And although the Bills are arguably in better shape now than they have been in years, I am not convinced McDermott is better than an average HC.
Lots of sports fans in WNY seem to think McBeane are unquestionably top tier; they aren't.
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